[Puzzle] Only Connect - Connecting Wall
December 9th, 2011 at 6:40:11 AM
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In the UK, a fantastic brainy game show has surfaced over the past few years, called "Only Connect."
The game centers around common threads between 4 items... not unlike TriBond, but with a spike in difficulty.
One of the most intriguing rounds in the game is the "Connecting Wall", where 16 items are placed in front of a team, and they must choose the 4 groups of 4, one group at a time. There is usually an overlap in some answer possibilities, but there is a definitive solution.
This wall was featured on one of the final matches, and is one of the more challenging sets. Can you identify the 4 groups, AND why they are grouped in that manner?
There is a mix of subject matter in this grid - It's not all math.
Discuss openly, make guesses and assumptions - But don't give away too much, too soon.
The game centers around common threads between 4 items... not unlike TriBond, but with a spike in difficulty.
One of the most intriguing rounds in the game is the "Connecting Wall", where 16 items are placed in front of a team, and they must choose the 4 groups of 4, one group at a time. There is usually an overlap in some answer possibilities, but there is a definitive solution.
This wall was featured on one of the final matches, and is one of the more challenging sets. Can you identify the 4 groups, AND why they are grouped in that manner?
1984 | 6 | 496 | 180 |
8128 | 32 | 28 | 491.67 |
8 1/2 | 273.15 | 300 | 147 |
Seven | 0 | 2010 | 21 |
There is a mix of subject matter in this grid - It's not all math.
Discuss openly, make guesses and assumptions - But don't give away too much, too soon.
-Dween!
December 9th, 2011 at 6:47:46 AM
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Well, 1984, 2010, 8 1/2 and Seven are all titles of books and/or movies. Other than that I'm stumped.
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December 9th, 2011 at 6:50:39 AM
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How about:
1. Four items that contain characters other than digits
2. Four items that have "0" as last character
3. Four items, that are positive numbers under 100
4. Everything else
:)
1. Four items that contain characters other than digits
2. Four items that have "0" as last character
3. Four items, that are positive numbers under 100
4. Everything else
:)
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
December 9th, 2011 at 6:51:45 AM
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Quote: NareedWell, 1984, 2010, 8 1/2 and Seven are all titles of books and/or movies. Other than that I'm stumped.
21 too :)
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December 9th, 2011 at 7:11:29 AM
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Quote: weaselman21 too :)Quote: NareedWell, 1984, 2010, 8 1/2 and Seven are all titles of books and/or movies. Other than that I'm stumped.
Don't forget 300.
If one of the groups truly is "Book/Movie" titles, which 4 items fit? Or more importantly, which fit in other categories?
-Dween!
December 9th, 2011 at 8:16:03 AM
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Do the rules specify that the groups must be formed from complete rows and/or columns, or can you pick 4 items from anywhere in the grid?
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December 9th, 2011 at 8:21:06 AM
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Quote: MathExtremistDo the rules specify that the groups must be formed from complete rows and/or columns, or can you pick 4 items from anywhere in the grid?
anywhere in the grid
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
December 9th, 2011 at 8:21:37 AM
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This show is also presented by the lovely poker pro Victoria Coren
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
December 9th, 2011 at 8:47:03 AM
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I have a plausible grouping for 3 groups, but the 4th doesn't yet make any sense. I know for a fact what one group is, at least:
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0, 32, 273.15, and 491.67 are all related to temperature. 0 and 32 are the freezing point of water in C and F, respectively, and 273.15 and 491.67 are the degrees above absolute zero of the freezing point of water, also in C and F respectively.
also, I'm less convinced about this one, but:
Seven, 21, 28, and 147 are all evenly divisible by 7.
</end spoiler>
<spoiler here>
0, 32, 273.15, and 491.67 are all related to temperature. 0 and 32 are the freezing point of water in C and F, respectively, and 273.15 and 491.67 are the degrees above absolute zero of the freezing point of water, also in C and F respectively.
also, I'm less convinced about this one, but:
Seven, 21, 28, and 147 are all evenly divisible by 7.
</end spoiler>
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December 9th, 2011 at 8:50:45 AM
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Quote: Dween
I hope this isn't giving away too much. We learned from the WizardOfEngland's puzzle that 147 is a perfect score in Snooker. We also know 300 is perfect in bowling, and 21 in blackjack (actually a blackjack beats 21, but let's not get too picky). Normally they say 29 is a perfect score in cribbage, but that counts the one point for "knobs" or "heels," which is more like a bonus point than part of your hand. So, I think it could be argued that 28 is a perfect score in cribbage. Maybe there is another game I don't know about that fits this pattern.
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December 9th, 2011 at 8:52:00 AM
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180 is a perfect (maximum) throw in darts, at least the x01 games.
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December 9th, 2011 at 8:57:16 AM
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Quote: WizardQuote: Dween
I hope this isn't giving away too much. We learned from the WizardOfEngland's puzzle that 147 is a perfect score in Snooker. We also know 300 is perfect in bowling, and 21 in blackjack (actually a blackjack beats 21, but let's not get too picky). Normally they say 29 is a perfect score in cribbage, but that counts the one point for "knobs" or "heels," which is more like a bonus point than part of your hand. So, I think it could be argued that 28 is a perfect score in cribbage. Maybe there is another game I don't know about that fits this pattern.
180 is the highest score in darts with 3 throws
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
December 9th, 2011 at 9:08:57 AM
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Quote: MathExtremist180 is a perfect (maximum) throw in darts, at least the x01 games.
Nice, I didn't know that. I haven't played darts in decades, and have never understood the proper rules.
So, I think we can safely eliminate 147, 180, 300, and 21 as perfect scores.
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December 9th, 2011 at 9:31:38 AM
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Isn't Seven, spelled Se7en, the title of a movie?
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December 9th, 2011 at 10:11:22 AM
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I will take all your good answers and finish it off with the nerdy group. Complete answer: (i think?)
147 , 180 , 300 , 21 are all perfect scores in games.
32, 0, 491.67, 273.15 are all important F temperatures
1984, 8 1/2, Seven (also spelt Se7en) and 2010 are all movies
6, 28, 496, 8128 are the first four perfect numbers!
Spoiler ^
147 , 180 , 300 , 21 are all perfect scores in games.
32, 0, 491.67, 273.15 are all important F temperatures
1984, 8 1/2, Seven (also spelt Se7en) and 2010 are all movies
6, 28, 496, 8128 are the first four perfect numbers!
Spoiler ^
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
December 9th, 2011 at 10:23:33 AM
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Really ... how is "a perfect number" is a better "group" attribute than "divisible by 10 (or by 7)?"
21 is a movie too.
21 is a movie too.
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December 9th, 2011 at 10:32:05 AM
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Well, there are only 4 small ones. The 5th one is 33 million something. That's a pretty exclusive group.
21 is not a good movie (so it fits better with perfect score), while 3 of the others have oscar nominations. 1984 doesn't but that seems like it couldn't fit anywhere else. 300 is also a movie, but it also fits better with the perfect game theme.
21 is not a good movie (so it fits better with perfect score), while 3 of the others have oscar nominations. 1984 doesn't but that seems like it couldn't fit anywhere else. 300 is also a movie, but it also fits better with the perfect game theme.
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December 9th, 2011 at 10:33:56 AM
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Quote: weaselmanReally ... how is "a perfect number" is a better "group" attribute than "divisible by 10 (or by 7)?"
21 is a movie too.
A perfect number is a much more restrictive group, and even difficult for nerds. The only perfect number I know of off hand is 6, so I wouldn't have come to this conclusion.
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December 9th, 2011 at 10:43:55 AM
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Quote: dwheatley21 is not a good movie (so it fits better with perfect score), while 3 of the others have oscar nominations. 1984 doesn't but that seems like it couldn't fit anywhere else. 300 is also a movie, but it also fits better with the perfect game theme.
Also, was 21 (or 300) a movie when this show aired? The OP said the show has been around for a few years...
December 9th, 2011 at 11:03:34 AM
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Yes, it is spelled "Se7en", but it was given as "Seven" on the show... possibly to mask it from being TOO obvious.Quote: DJTeddyBearIsn't Seven, spelled Se7en, the title of a movie?
You have all four grouping, and 3 of the group labels are correct. The one that is slightly off is 0, 32, 273.15 and 491.67 are all freezing points of water, with the latter being on the Rankine scaleQuote: dwheatleyI will take all your good answers and finish it off with the nerdy group. Complete answer: (i think?)
[SPOILER]
147 , 180 , 300 , 21 are all perfect scores in games.
32, 0, 491.67, 273.15 are all important F temperatures
1984, 8 1/2, Seven (also spelt Se7en) and 2010 are all movies
6, 28, 496, 8128 are the first four perfect numbers!
You can say "Divisible by x" is a group, but then can you place the other 12 answers into logical groups as well?Quote: weaselmanReally ... how is "a perfect number" is a better "group" attribute than "divisible by 10 (or by 7)?"
21 was released in 2008, and 300 in 2007... both of which were before the 2009 airdate of this show... so yes, they were likely put in to trip up players.Quote: cclub79Also, was 21 (or 300) a movie when this show aired? The OP said the show has been around for a few years...
-Dween!
January 17th, 2014 at 1:19:17 PM
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these puzzles get you with all the crosses. there are four and five and six that can be movies, leap years and perfect numbers etc
one for sure is 0 32 273.15 491.67 all are zero degrees cel.
one for sure is 0 32 273.15 491.67 all are zero degrees cel.
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January 31st, 2014 at 5:45:09 PM
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I suspect
(i) Films : Se7en, 8 1/2, 1984, 2010
(ii) Maximums : 21, 147, 180, 300 (as discussed)
(iii) Freezing point of water : 0oC, 32oF, 273.15oK, 491.67oR (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale )
(iv) Perfect numbers: 6 28 496 8128 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_perfect_numbers )
So actually knowing 3 sets out of 4 (two are scientific and the other comes from looking at the remaining 8), leaves the films.
(ii) Maximums : 21, 147, 180, 300 (as discussed)
(iii) Freezing point of water : 0oC, 32oF, 273.15oK, 491.67oR (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale )
(iv) Perfect numbers: 6 28 496 8128 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_perfect_numbers )
So actually knowing 3 sets out of 4 (two are scientific and the other comes from looking at the remaining 8), leaves the films.
February 10th, 2014 at 4:20:22 PM
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Quote: DweenIn the UK, a fantastic brainy game show has surfaced over the past few years, called "Only Connect."
The game centers around common threads between 4 items... not unlike TriBond, but with a spike in difficulty.
One of the most intriguing rounds in the game is the "Connecting Wall", where 16 items are placed in front of a team, and they must choose the 4 groups of 4, one group at a time. There is usually an overlap in some answer possibilities, but there is a definitive solution.
This wall was featured on one of the final matches, and is one of the more challenging sets. Can you identify the 4 groups, AND why they are grouped in that manner?
There is a mix of subject matter in this grid - It's not all math.
Discuss openly, make guesses and assumptions - But don't give away too much, too soon.
Solved.
0, 32, 273.15, 491.67 - freezing points of water (Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvin, Rankine)
Seven, 8 1/2, 1984, 2010 - books/movies
6, 28, 496, 8128 - perfect numbers (all multiples of the number add to the number itself, i.e. 1 + 2 + 3 = 6)
300, 180, 147, 21 - perfect scores (bowling, darts, snooker, blackjack, though for 180 I thought of a perfect score on the LSAT)
Seven, 8 1/2, 1984, 2010 - books/movies
6, 28, 496, 8128 - perfect numbers (all multiples of the number add to the number itself, i.e. 1 + 2 + 3 = 6)
300, 180, 147, 21 - perfect scores (bowling, darts, snooker, blackjack, though for 180 I thought of a perfect score on the LSAT)
