Cooperation Game Big Pool Money Thread
I don't think prozema was trying to screw (I'm not supposed to use the word I was thinking of) Mike out of anything or exclude him, from what I know, he just doesn't seem like that kinda person. I think he was just playing devil's advocate. Privately prozema even volunteered to help add some money to the bank when he came to Vegas.
In any case, let's not turn this positive thing that Mike did for us into a negative thing somehow.
Should have a tally between 08/29- 09/04.
So, curious, if this is some guaranteed win, why don't we just do it over and over again until we're all millionaires?!?!
Hi Romes, I've logged your pledge of £25 dollars as just that: A pledge to Wizard to be settled or possibly partly cancelled out by winnings at the close of whatever wagering is taking place. So far no money has actually been transferred around except on a ledger. Axel is kindly fronting the money as per this description.Quote: RomesJust checking back in, since I've been out of town for about a week... looks like all is going well with axel's "secret guaranteed winner." I did try to donate my $25 to OD and he mentioned it being easier to do it with Axel/Wiz and/or to just wait and see about taking it out of my winnings or whatever. I'm up for whatever is easiest for Axel... just let me know.
So, curious, if this is some guaranteed win, why don't we just do it over and over again until we're all millionaires?!?!
It's only conjecture, but I believe Axel has kindly donated one of his +EV ( maybe sure thing ) opportunities. It would have been an opportunity that he could have kept for himself. Again, I'm guessing, that this is a limited availability opportunity of the sort that Axel see's frequently enough to be valuable, but not every day.
FYI all but one of the big pool members (JUFO81) positively opted into Axel's play, plus ONM who wasn't in the big pool, but opted in pro-rata. AIUI, Axel has declared Jufo too late to opt in.
Nothing is 100% guaranteed when it comes to casinos, I would say highly likely to profit.Quote: RomesJust checking back in, since I've been out of town for about a week... looks like all is going well with axel's "secret guaranteed winner." I did try to donate my $25 to OD and he mentioned it being easier to do it with Axel/Wiz and/or to just wait and see about taking it out of my winnings or whatever. I'm up for whatever is easiest for Axel... just let me know.
So, curious, if this is some guaranteed win, why don't we just do it over and over again until we're all millionaires?!?!
This type of question was asked before. I gave an example in another post, I can't seem to find it and I'm too lazy to look.
You of all people should understand why you can't just keep doing it over and over.
I will give you a hint. Limited to one per person per location.
It just struck me wrong that a WOV moderator was suggesting it and that the wording was interpretable (rightly or wrongly) as implying that we needed to speak up promptly otherwise the moderator was going to make it happen.
I have volunteered >100 hours each year for the last 3 years and all my life have given prodigiously to friends and family in need and to local charitable organizations. I have developed my own set of rules about both tipping and gifting and OD's post didn't check all my boxes. If that makes me a cheap bastard in anyone's eyes, then so be it.
Quote: gordonm888For the record if Axel had suggested giving Wizard a share and had appropriately worded the post, and everyone else was okay with it then I would have certainly gone along with it. Ditto if it had been suggested by prozema or romes or soopoo, or scotttroop, etc.
It just struck me wrong that a WOV moderator was suggesting it and that the wording was interpretable (rightly or wrongly) as implying that we needed to speak up promptly otherwise the moderator was going to make it happen.
I have volunteered >100 hours each year for the last 3 years and all my life have given prodigiously to friends and family in need and to local charitable organizations. I have developed my own set of rules about both tipping and gifting and OD's post didn't check all my boxes. If that makes me a cheap bastard in anyone's eyes, then so be it.
Gordon, remember, Judge SOOPOO ruled in your favor. But I think you have to lighten up a bit. Literally, OD was proposing giving Mike 50 cents of your money, so that he could feel included with the group. Technically all of your points are correct. But you don't see how letting that 50 cents go was probably the right call?
Gordon,Quote: gordonm888For the record if Axel had suggested giving Wizard a share and had appropriately worded the post, and everyone else was okay with it then I would have certainly gone along with it. Ditto if it had been suggested by prozema or romes or soopoo, or scotttroop, etc.
It just struck me wrong that a WOV moderator was suggesting it and that the wording was interpretable (rightly or wrongly) as implying that we needed to speak up promptly otherwise the moderator was going to make it happen.
I have volunteered >100 hours each year for the last 3 years and all my life have given prodigiously to friends and family in need and to local charitable organizations. I have developed my own set of rules about both tipping and gifting and OD's post didn't check all my boxes. If that makes me a cheap bastard in anyone's eyes, then so be it.
You are often inclined to give feedback to we mods, and even though it's often negative, it is generally accepted gracefully and acknowledged as useful and often valid. So, as a MEMBER here, I offer you feedback. Look back at the precedent of coop game one. There, Romes suggested cutting Wizard in for a share and it was generally accepted as a decent idea and proceeded with concensus. I proposed similar this time, not in my capacity as a moderator or employee of Mikes, but as an outspoken ( maybe overzealous) proponent of gratitude. I sure as hell didn't mean to imply that anyone not opting out would be opted in by default. My language was clear enough to suggest that we start thinking about it and maybe discussing it. It got discussed and is now dismissed, so success there.
Nobody, especially myself put a binary option on the table that said donate to Wizard or implicitly confirm that you are in some 'ungrateful' or a 'cheap bastard'. We have seen a few responses along the lines of 'I'll buy him a beer when I see him' and that sounds like a fine alternative proposal.
As you, yourself have said, without prompting, it was the fact that it was OnceDear making the suggestion that particularly riled you. That and a tone that you read into my proposal. I suggest that you were just a touch over zealous in tearing me off a strip.
So, Wizard has explained that he did not make financial gain from this venture and other members have accepted that. You surely know I gained nothing. So why don't we just chillax and wait for the chance to marvel at the prowess of Axel, who also gains nothing.
So 50 cents times 24 is $12. Let’s assume Axel doubles it. So call it $25 with rounding. I’m willing to end the absurdity of this topic by giving Wiz a $25 free play. I’ll escrow $25 with Babs, and Wiz has to video himself making some even money bet with the $25. If he wins he gets the $25 and the other $25 I’ll put towards some new award on WOV pickem. If he loses, then he gets nothing and there’s one less $25 award in WOV pickem.Quote: SOOPOOGordon, remember, Judge SOOPOO ruled in your favor. But I think you have to lighten up a bit. Literally, OD was proposing giving Mike 50 cents of your money, so that he could feel included with the group. Technically all of your points are correct. But you don't see how letting that 50 cents go was probably the right call?
As I was going to eventually make some $25 pickem award I was never going to win, I consider this a push from my point of view. And overall +EV if it ends this absurdly awkward finish to the Cooperation Game that I found entertaining to follow.
Let me know.
Thanks Unjon,Quote: unJonSo 50 cents times 24 is $12. Let’s assume Axel doubles it. So call it $25 with rounding. I’m willing to end the absurdity of this topic by giving Wiz a $25 free play. I’ll escrow $25 with Babs, and Wiz has to video himself making some even money bet with the $25. If he wins he gets the $25 and the other $25 I’ll put towards some new award on WOV pickem. If he loses, then he gets nothing and there’s one less $25 award in WOV pickem.
As I was going to eventually make some $25 pickem award I was never going to win, I consider this a push from my point of view. And overall +EV if it ends this absurdly awkward finish to the Cooperation Game that I found entertaining to follow.
Let me know.
Wizard has said that he absolutely does not want any share of the winnings so that issue has already been put to bed.
The real issue as I see it, is that Gordon objected to my post: The tone of the post: His interpretation of the post, and the poster of the post. I think we both had our say about that and as far as I'm concerned that issue can be closed too.
Prozema was in town and kindly offered to help the other day, so I did one more round at one location. The final results will be in once the free play is collected in a few weeks.Quote: troopscottJust wondered if there was any updates on the quest to win enough to buy a casino from the big money pool?
We should make around $450.
Quote: AxelWolfProzema was in town and kindly offered to help the other day, so I did one more round at one location. The final results will be in once the free play is collected in a few weeks.
We should make around $450.
That's awesome. Thank you
Quote: AxelWolfProzema was in town and kindly offered to help the other day, so I did one more round at one location. The final results will be in once the free play is collected in a few weeks.
We should make around $450.
It was a pleasure meeting you sir. Glad I could help the cause!
Special thanks to Keeneone, prozema and Rigondeaux.
I will get the money to Mike at our convenience and you all can figure out what you want to do next.
How do you get a professional poker player off your front porch?
Pay him for the Pizza
Quote: PokerGrinderHow do you get a professional poker player off your front porch?
Pay him for the Pizza
I like that.
Quote: PokerGrinderDouble post so how about a joke:
How do you get a professional poker player off your front porch?
Pay him for the Pizza
It’s about time for another grinding trip in a foreign country isn’t it??
Trolling the redlight district in Bangkok for tranny boys is not really a charitable ENDeavor(you spelled endeavor wrong)Quote: PokerGrinderThank you to the four of you! I already have a charitable endeavour that my portion will be going towards.
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Thanks AxelWolf. Thanks too to the guys that assisted him.
Quote: Mikey75It’s about time for another grinding trip in a foreign country isn’t it??
Considering that he has a thread about his current trip I would say yes
I say if we can find a good line we put in on ZK's 2nd lock of the century.
Cheers Axel, I suspect you were jokng there.Quote: AxelWolfThe Wizard (Mike) has been given the profits. It's up to you guys to figure out what you want to do next.
I say if we can find a good line we put in on ZK's 2nd lock of the century.
Quote: Mikey75It’s about time for another grinding trip in a foreign country isn’t it??
I’m currently eating bucatini in Rome.
Quote: AxelWolfTrolling the redlight district in Bangkok for tranny boys is not really a charitable ENDeavor(you spelled endeavor wrong)
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You really love your tranny boys don’t you? I turned you down one time on your offer of playing find the pickle and now you relentlessly troll me?
Not really. If I can find a good line (not at some obscure online betting site) I think I might be willing to put down a few thousand.Quote: OnceDearCheers Axel, I suspect you were jokng there.
Quote: AxelWolfNot really. If I can find a good line (not at some obscure online betting site) I think I might be willing to put down a few thousand.
I am down for whatever. That being said if we go for a long term bet like the bulls win on the over/under I would prefer we split the money somehow and do some other smaller bets while we wait for the 2nd lock of the century to hit next april
75 % to the lock
25% to some other bets and or parlays etc
Example would be the McGregor fight he is going to get his ass kicked lol
I am sure there are some NFL games we could parlay as well even if it were in smaller amounts like 25 or 50 bucks so there were a couple swings at it the next few weeks and see what happens
Quote: AxelWolfWe should just have a winner take all contest.
Naw, $50 or so is real money to a lot of people here. I think they'll want something different.
Hey folks. Fifty cents is real money to Fleastiff. I'm still trying to make ends meet after losing that calligraphy contest. You know, the one about making brackets.Quote: beachbumbabsNaw, $50 or so is real money to a lot of people here. I think they'll want something different.
I do have a question though. What exactly is a cooperation game. Cooperation is a somewhat alien term to me anyway and I've never heard of a game called that.
Axel... PokerGrinder clearly prefers to walk or use tut-tuts and scooters. Those cheap Asian scooters have belt drives they don't even have transmissions so you are clearly way off base.
Just to confirm... All from the big pool, except Jufo81, opted to have their funds benefit from AxelWolf's reinvestment. So, Jufo81 dipped out and is only due his original $13.79 equal share.
OneNickelMiracle opted into the AxelWolf Reinvestment with his original $12.27 winnings, so I'll be assigning him a pro-rata share of the benefit.
Romes pledged $25 towards the 'big pool' as a gift, but that was just held as a pledge on account and no funds changed hands. As I understand it, that means he won't have to hand over $25, but that $25 will be deducted from whatever is due back to him.
Would AxelWolf, Jufo81 and Romes please confirm that my understanding of the accounting is in order.
Oh, I get it.Quote: FleaStiffI do have a question though. What exactly is a cooperation game.
Somewhere around RMS Titanic time there was a Game One thread that I missed probably due to my being homeless.
Then around 19 August there seems to have been a Game Two thread which I likewise missed probably due to dealing with social workers.
Well, I'll watch more carefully if there is ever a Game Three thread.
Well you missed out on a free roll worth about 32 bucks of free cashQuote: FleaStiffOh, I get it.
Somewhere around RMS Titanic time there was a Game One thread that I missed probably due to my being homeless.
Then around 19 August there seems to have been a Game Two thread which I likewise missed probably due to dealing with social workers.
Well, I'll watch more carefully if there is ever a Game Three thread.
:o)
In the spirit of +EV to the participants, I would like to offer one final cooperation game.
If everyone currently in the Axel play agrees to “share”, which will be a vote to place all the money into a three team teaser on week 3 of the NFL that watchmewin proposes, then I will add $150 to the bet without receiving any equity. If anyone “steals”, then they can split $10 between the stealers (with no money out the door if everyone voting steals).
Additional rules:
1) OnceDear has to agree to be the go between of my $150 or $10 (happy to escrow the funds).
2) OnceDear also has to agree to validate the PMs voting “steal” or “share” so all PMs must go to me and to OnceDear.
3) All voting PMs must be received by 9pm EST on Friday September 21 by both me and OnceDear.
4) Everyone must vote. If anyone doesn’t vote by PM by the deadline the deal is off.
5) watchmewin must agree to and then post a teaser play for people to use.
6) All the money must be bet on that teaser play (someone in Vegas should volunteer to bet it).
Quote: unJonI’ve found this game and the follow-up play by Axelwolf very entertaining and I’d like to continue with a bit of chaos.
In the spirit of +EV to the participants, I would like to offer one final cooperation game.
If everyone currently in the Axel play agrees to “share”, which will be a vote to place all the money into a three team teaser on week 3 of the NFL that watchmewin proposes, then I will add $150 to the bet without receiving any equity. If anyone “steals”, then they can split $10 between the stealers (with no money out the door if everyone voting steals).
Additional rules:
1) OnceDear has to agree to be the go between of my $150 or $10 (happy to escrow the funds).
2) OnceDear also has to agree to validate the PMs voting “steal” or “share” so all PMs must go to me and to OnceDear.
3) All voting PMs must be received by 9pm EST on Friday September 21 by both me and OnceDear.
4) Everyone must vote. If anyone doesn’t vote by PM by the deadline the deal is off.
5) watchmewin must agree to and then post a teaser play for people to use.
6) All the money must be bet on that teaser play (someone in Vegas should volunteer to bet it).
Thanks for the offer.
Because I know nothing about NFL, I will be extracting my share of the funds and having Wizard send them to a designated charity. So, I won't be partaking in this 'extra venture'
Sadly, because My Paypal account is a UK Business account, it attracts fees and so I'm not a viable holder of escrow money. Maybe Wizard or one of the established moderators or members could fulfil that role, if this does proceed.
I don't know why you chose me as validator, but I suppose I could do that role, again, if it goes ahead.
Other than that. Thanks, but count me out.
FYI to all big poolers. Preliminary calculations show each of us ( except Jufo81 and OneNickelMiracle ) to be due about $34. Subject to my calculations being correct.
I am open to +EV ideas...
Question... Watch me win... He's a hit and run craps player, right? I think that's right... If it is right and that is the only option, I'd like to withdraw.
I would also like to "tip" wizard 10% of my winnings for hosting the game.
I don’t know watchmewin but he posted a winning tease for week 2 so I thought this would be fun and thought my adding $150 to the pot would make it +EV in any event.Quote: prozemaSo far I'm leaning towards taking my money and running.
I am open to +EV ideas...
Question... Watch me win... He's a hit and run craps player, right? I think that's right... If it is right and that is the only option, I'd like to withdraw.
I would also like to "tip" wizard 10% of my winnings for hosting the game.
Quote: unJonI don’t know watchmewin but he posted a winning tease for week 2 so I thought this would be fun and thought my adding $150 to the pot would make it +EV in any event.
I would be in for this. Babs would need to be the escrow holder. By rough math with the $150 contribution I believe this would be in the range of 900-950 range.
I think the better proposal so folks don't leave empty handed with a bad week is to do it over 2-3 weeks equal bets but it is your offer but that would give a higher chance of participation I believe.
@Prozema
this is just unJon offer to add to the pot and make a bet. as a group or even a partial part of the group we can do what we want withdraw, parlay etc. I a down for any sports bets but not hit and run craps, slots or lottery.
It has nothing to do with the money, it's the principal of it.
I hope you all invest in WMW's hit and run Craps system. That's much better than some sports pick.
I don't know why you guy's wouldn't invest in him since he always wins... Don't be foolish.
I all but 100% guarenteeed a profit, barring some strange event happend. For example....I got tossed out mid play or some sh*t)
Will WMW do the same? Doubtful if he does, im I'm. What could go wrong?
So let's do this WMW. We have a Bankroll you can double with your Craps system....
You should 99% guarantee it, barring some strange event. If double it, I will take on the task of adding more to the pot. I will guantentee I won't lose anything and at least add 25%, if I can get some volunteers to help.
