Bovada BlackJack Is Rigged
(I edited the response to censor)Quote: michael.proctorI consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n***ers are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.
Hi michael,
I realize you're quite frustrated (rightfully so) and think that bovada blackjack is cheating (quite possible)... but in order to make that kind of claim you need a little something called PROOF. You'd need to record your hands, preferably on video, and you'd need to play thousands of hands so that we could do the math on the Wins/Losses/Pushes and check your EV +/- SD's. At that point we could conclude with evidence that you're ether the victim of a short term bad run blowing off some steam, or if you have actually in fact been cheated. I personally have lost for months, with a teammate as well, to a non stop flow of dealer 21's when we have 20, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention we played thousands of hands over months where as you played maybe 500-600 hands over a course of hours... very short term and non conclusive. It DOES happen in real blackjack and COULD happen online. Thus, you must have some kind of PROOF to make these claims.
Either way the derogatory comments you used are inappropriate and will result in a little vacation from the forums for you... So hopefully you use that time to cool off and think about a better way going about discussing it, or proving it.
Second, in an hour if you played fast you could bet 600 hands. That would have a standard deviation of 28.17 units.
Let's assume you can expect to lose 3 from the house edge. The probability of losing another 57 due to bad luck is 2.02 standard deviations. The probability of luck that bad or worse is 2.15%. So it could easily be bad luck and that is what I believe.
If you have other evidence, let's see it. I prefer to see exact numbers. If you claim something happens "every time," then please state the sample size.
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Quote: michael.proctorI consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n*****s are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.
I can live with "bastard" but am masking the n word.
Quote: michael.proctorI consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n*****s are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.
Here is some advice... Don't EVER play digital table games online and expect to win. You should know better. Just bet sports where the outcomes are real life or go to a local casino for live games. There are also some sites that have live black jack. Perhaps they are legitimate, but I would have my suspicions there as well.
Quote: WatchMeWinHere is some advice... Don't EVER play digital table games online and expect to win. You should know better. Just bet sports where the outcomes are real life or go to a local casino for live games. There are also some sites that have live black jack. Perhaps they are legitimate, but I would have my suspicions there as well.
Any game is beatable if you play a short enuff sesh.
You should redefine that... You can walk away a winner if you play a short enough sesh and have any kind of chance to win a hand/event... but that doesn't make a game "beatable" as the math is still quite against you. Making a game "beatable" implies (at least to me) that you have the advantage and/or a positive expectation in value from the game.Quote: RogerKintAny game is beatable if you play a short enuff sesh.
Quote: RomesYou should redefine that... You can walk away a winner if you play a short enough sesh and have any kind of chance to win a hand/event... but that doesn't make a game "beatable" as the math is still quite against you. Making a game "beatable" implies (at least to me) that you have the advantage and/or a positive expectation in value from the game.
My bad
Quote: NathanI can understand your frustration and anger OP, but using the N word is going way too far.
I dunno man I hate complainers
I'd like to buy a vowel
Quote: michael.proctorI am only going to make 2 points here then I'm done. First about the N word, since I'm half black I don't see what is so wrong with using a name that whitey affectionately gave to blacks to begin with. Second, if Bovada is so honest why do they NEVER have an outside agency come in and inspect their programs to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).
Michael,
Many of us, including this 62 year old white guy, fought for civil rights in the sixties and seventies. I hate it when blacks use the N-word "affectionately"!! We fought too hard for ANYONE to use it!! Besides, this generation of whites didn't give you that name!
Also, I would have mentioned that you are half-black when using that word. I almost put you on ignore.
Quote: BigJerMichael,
Many of us, including this 62 year old white guy, fought for civil rights in the sixties and seventies. I hate it when blacks use the N-word "affectionately"!! We fought too hard for ANYONE to use it!! Besides, this generation of whites didn't give you that name!
Also, I would have mentioned that you are half-black when using that word. I almost put you on ignore.
It doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but fighting for civil liberties also means fighting for anyone to be able to use that word, or any other word.
It's all about context. I'd argue that using the word affectionately takes some power out of some of it's ill-willed meaning.
This forum also baffles me in that bad language is prohibited, but prostitute talk is no biggie. Strange.
Quote: gamerfreakIt doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but fighting for civil liberties also means fighting for anyone to be able to use that word, or any other word.
It's all about context. I'd argue that using the word affectionately takes some power out of some of it's ill-willed meaning..
I still don't like language that degrades such as the n-word. Believe me, I understand the context. I don't think it takes the power out of it. BTW, I lived in Berkeley for 20 years and even there many blacks hated it when another black would use it.
Anyways, we are going to have to agree that we disagree. ;) And, of course, good variance to you.
Quote: michael.proctorFirst about the N word, since I'm half black I don't see what is so wrong with using a name that whitey affectionately gave to blacks to begin with.
No one said there was anything "so wrong" with profanity. It just happens to be against the rules of Disney movies and other settings. Such as here.
Quote: michael.proctorSecond, if Bovada is so honest why do they NEVER have an outside agency come in and inspect their programs to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).
Not many are willing to blindly accept that online card games are "so honest." It's only that they didn't fail your inspection.
Quote: TomGNo one said there was anything "so wrong" with profanity. It just happens to be against the rules of Disney movies and other settings. Such as here.
Not many are willing to blindly accept that online card games are "so honest." It's only that they didn't fail your inspection.
I don't have the latest info on this, but last I heard Bova da had their software certified random by a company called itech. Their logo is on the bottom of bovafa home page. Clicking it brings up a PDF of the cerification. All FWIW.
Quote: michael.proctorFuck all of you niggers
I'm leaving this unmasked so everyone can understand the ban.
michael.proctor is suspended, nuclear option.
Quote: WatchMeWinShame on Michael... for actually thinking he could win in online computerized table games! ah hahahah ah hahahaha!! Silly Rabbiit! Trix are for kids!
Hrmmm WMW.
You can. You really can. I've won many thousands from online computerised Blackjack, and I have cashed out successfully.
Sure. Some such games are corruptly rigged and I make no judgement about Bovada, but certainly not all are and none that I've encountered.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm leaving this unmasked so everyone can understand the ban.
michael.proctor is suspended, nuclear option.
Thank you. I just wish I had the pleasure to do it.
Regarding his point about that black people right to use the N word, I was recently at a park chatting with an elderly black woman. A group of 3 or 4 kids, including one black kid, who looked to be around 15-17 sat nearby and it was easy to overhear them say N... this and N... that. The woman I was speaking with was visibly very upset as she stomped off. She was practically in tears over it. I've never heard a black person over the age of 25 use that word except in a theatrical sense.
Quote: WizardThank you. I just wish I had the pleasure to do it.
Regarding his point about that black people right to use the N word, I was recently at a park chatting with an elderly black woman. A group of 3 or 4 kids, including one black kid, who looked to be around 15-17 sat nearby and it was easy to overhear them say N... this and N... that. The woman I was speaking with was visibly very upset as she stomped off. She was practically in tears over it. I've never heard a black person over the age of 25 use that word except in a theatrical sense.
You haven't been to the sportsbook at Binions, then.
My girlfriend tells me that her Spanish-speaking friends call her "negrita" as a friendly nickname (she has darker skin). That would never fly in English which I believe would be roughly translated as "little blacky".
Quote: michael.proctorto make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).
I may have laughed when reading this. Lol.
Quote: RogerKintYou haven't been to the sportsbook at Binions, then.
My girlfriend tells me that her Spanish-speaking friends call her "negrita" as a friendly nickname (she has darker skin). That would never fly in English which I believe would be roughly translated as "little blacky".
Or the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the
How do I know?
Also,
Quote: djatcOr the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the
How do I know?i say it all the timejust kidding
Also,I can't be racist since I'm a minority
If you think you can't be a racist, because you are a minority, one might assume you do not know what a racist is.
Quote: fastXXXeddieQuote: djatcOr the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the
How do I know?i say it all the timejust kidding
Also,I can't be racist since I'm a minority
If you think you can't be a racist, because you are a minority, one might assume you do not know what a racist is.
You must be German cause you don't have a sense of humor ;)
