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bobbartop
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September 19th, 2016 at 4:35:58 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff



The first part is a distillation of the way Gypsies are brought up. You didn't steal it, he gave it to you. Gypsies are encouraged to fight, the winner is always right. Don't be a serf, bound by land, morals, laws etc, be a Man of the World.



Give me a hold'em game with myself and eight gypsies in the game.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
Boz
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September 19th, 2016 at 5:11:20 PM permalink
I feel I am a good person. But being good doesn't have to make you a sucker. Trust is earned in this world and if someone you trusted F's you out of money, you can only learn from it. I say every week I have never fired anyone, they always fire themselves with their actions. To me being good takes hard decisions, leaders do that as do winners.

Unless you are screwing people you are a good person. Justification doesn't make you a good person.

Bigger question is in the end does it matter to you how you treated people in life?
Wizard
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September 19th, 2016 at 5:30:52 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I feel I am a good person. But being good doesn't have to make you a sucker. Trust is earned in this world and if someone you trusted F's you out of money, you can only learn from it.



I feel that if a friend borrows money from you and then suddenly vanishes without a "good bye," then you've been suckered.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Boz
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September 19th, 2016 at 5:38:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I feel that if a friend borrows money from you and then suddenly vanishes without a "good bye," then you've been suckered.



I don't disagree, but if you thought that person was a friend, you were either wrong in your judgement, or they justified it, perhaps both. I've been in that boat, learned from it and in some ways have become more cynical and less trusting towards others. But far more have paid me back and I know I helped them at a time of need.
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:20:20 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I don't disagree, but if you thought that person was a friend, you were either wrong in your judgement, or they justified it, perhaps both. I've been in that boat, learned from it and in some ways have become more cynical and less trusting towards others. But far more have paid me back and I know I helped them at a time of need.



I wish I had your zen-like attitude about it. My initial emotion, that lasts a while, upon getting scammed by a friend, is anger. The only thing I have to learn from it is to be less trusting of everybody else on earth.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
FleaStiff
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:26:19 PM permalink
Ask around. Did he collect sports debts from others, get loans from others and then skip town?
Or was it just you who trusted him too much.

Did he disappear or was he disappeared?
FleaStiff
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:29:17 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Give me a hold'em game with myself and eight gypsies in the game.

Good luck. Here in Florida they are up to their thieving necks in real estate deals and bankruptcy frauds.
FleaStiff
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:31:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I wish I had your zen-like attitude about it. My initial emotion, that lasts a while, upon getting scammed by a friend, is anger. The only thing I have to learn from it is to be less trusting of everybody else on earth.

Restore your faith in humanity. Lend money to me.
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September 19th, 2016 at 6:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Ask around. Did he collect sports debts from others, get loans from others and then skip town?
Or was it just you who trusted him too much.

Did he disappear or was he disappeared?



The person in question is still in town. However, he has evidently blocked my calls/texts as evidenced by the fact they never get responded to.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
LuckyPhow
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September 19th, 2016 at 7:01:55 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


Clearly I'm hitting on a very big topic and I'm not even sure what my question is.

Thank you for your thoughts.



Wiz,

Wow! Whatta thread! (Sorry about your loss.) So much has been shared on this thread, I hesitate to join. But, what the heck. If you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, I generally choose being damned for doing it. In your situation, I'd hurt, but I'd try to "forgive" and move on because there's more to this world than meets the eye, and forgiveness, freely given, best harmonizes the energy and heals the soul.

I'm really into energy. Don't ask me to explain it, because I cannot. (I can sorta explain why I can't explain it, but that's not for this message.) On multiple occasions I have been walking through a casino with my energy coach only to have him spin around like someone had called his name. He'll point to a slot and say, "Lucky, I think I need to put some money in this machine." He'll feed it a couple of $20s and within 5 minutes he'll pull out a $150 win, or something similar. Energy. It's tangible, if you can recognize it.

Joseph McMoneagle was Remote Viewer 001 in the military special ops Stargate group doing that "stuff." (Google him. His Stargate Chronicles book is best.) He sez most folks can learn to go "out of body" (OOB) or to "remote view" some distant location. But, like playing the piano, some have a natural knack, and others can only do it after long practice, if ever. I've had OOBs, but -- except to say, "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore" -- I know not where I go (but, it is interesting nonetheless... and all without drugs!)

OK, while perhaps interesting, a sample of 2 is statistically meaningless. So, lets look at those who look at this, but who themselves (as good scientists are supposed to do) stand apart.

Pim van Lommel, MD, wrote the book, Consciousness Beyond Life. As a young Dutch cardiologist, he had a patient flat line for several minutes, but was brought back. The patient recounted an amazing OOB experience. Most MDs would tell the patient, "You were clinically dead. Period," and blow it off. Von Lommel didn't. He listened, then got the hospital staff to ask for the details and to record them whenever they encountered a similar event. Over time, other cardiologists in other Dutch hospitals heard of his work and asked to do the same at their hospitals, pooling the info. In the early 1990s, they published their findings in Lancet, one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world. Then, hospitals all over Europe asked to join his research. Van Lommel's book presents that research. Details of patients whose near-death experiences (NDEs) resulted in OOB events they lived to report. We'll come back to this book later in the text, so stay tuned.

Jim Tucker, MD, wrote the book, Return to Life. He works at the Division of Personality Studies (DOPS) at the University of Virginia medical school. For over 75 years DOPS has recorded instances of young children (3-4 years old, usually) who report having had previous lives, sometimes with sufficient detail to identify the actual person the child claimed to be. When I last checked, DOPS had lots of supplemental research data available, if you want to follow up on your own. Tucker's book is shorter than van Lommel's, is more often in bookstores, and is available in electronic form. (Great for parents, too!)

Each of these books follows the same pattern. The first part (about two-thirds) of the book deals with the subject. But, the last part -- and (for me) the best part -- is that each author then integrates (quite successfully, IMHO) their own work into current developments in quantum mechanics and theoretical physics. And, yes, with footnotes to the research of others, published in juried journals. Often, multiple footnotes in a paragraph. But, each author in his own way boils it all down to the new emerging paradigm about how the world works, including things like parallel universes and other equally far-out concepts about the energy that surrounds us.

I claim to be no expert, but my own experiences have been life changing. If you want to see why humans are different than baboons and banobos, check out the I Am video by movie director Tom Shadyac. Shadyac's message is that the Wiz (and everyone else) heals best by forgiving unconditionally, as Desmond Tutu engineered following apartheid in South Africa. My answer to the Wiz's original question is that I always try to harmonize the energy (but it doesn't fit cleanly into one of his choices).

These books (and the video) help explain the comment by Werner Heisenberg (co-discoverer of Quantum Physics) that, "Atoms are not things, they're only tendencies." We live in a world of energy. (And, yes, Dorothy, as best I can tell, there is a "there" over there, but exactly where it is may be unimportant.)

Lucky (pushing his luck a bit on this one...)

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