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May 26th, 2013 at 8:33:16 AM permalink
Here were the questions for this year's trivia challenge.

  1. What musical features the role "man in chair"?

    Note that I think nobody got this right. I only knew it because I saw the play the day before at my daughter's high school.
  2. The Drowsy Chaperone
  3. In the US, what specialty had the highest percentage of female doctors?
  4. Pediatrician
  5. In the movie The Princess Bride, what was the name of the giant?
  6. Fezzik
  7. What Latin-American leader's less-than-perfect complexion earned him the nickname "the pineapple"?
  8. Manuel Noriega
  9. What infamous subway rider was defended by Barry Slotnick in 1987?
  10. In 1987, what activity was banned on all U.S. interstate flights less than two hours?
  11. Smoking
  12. What world leader did Ronald Reagan send a cake and bible to for his birthday?
  13. Ayatollah Khomeini
  14. Question 8 was omitted. It was a "name that tune" question, but the restaurant was so noisy that nobody could hear me play my harmonica type instrument.
  15. Not that anybody would know, but the answer was Red River Valley.
  16. Who is Mr. Bill's enemy?
  17. Sluggo
  18. Who was rock's biggest money maker from 1985 through 1987?
  19. Bruce Springsteen
  20. This question was omitted, due to a controversy over the correct answer. However, the question was "What does a gaffer do?" If taking the test here, please do not count this one in your total.
  21. Here is the Wikipedia entry. I'll let you decide for yourself whether a gaffer is better described as an electrician or a person in charge of lighting for movies.
  22. What was the name of the diner on the show Happy Days?
  23. Arnold's
  24. In the 1980's, what public protectors spend $15 a head outfitting 5,000 members with berets?
  25. The Guardian Angels
  26. Who once dressed up as a carrot stick to hype his TV exercise program?
  27. Richard Simmons
  28. What did enterprising Washington State vendors package and sell 30 tons of in 1980?
  29. Ash from Mount Saint Hellens


Our winner was Loach, with a score of six points. His prize was a Wizard of Odds polo shirt and copy of Gambling 102.
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May 26th, 2013 at 8:49:17 AM permalink
I got 4. I stink at trivia. Maybe I'd fare well if it was all Princess Bride trivia.
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May 26th, 2013 at 9:03:05 AM permalink
I got two right. Yep, I suck at trivia.
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May 26th, 2013 at 9:33:56 AM permalink
what's with almost every question being from the 1980s?
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May 26th, 2013 at 10:00:16 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

what's with almost every question being from the 1980s?



Many of the questions were culled from the 1980's edition of Trivial Pursuit.
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May 28th, 2013 at 9:44:42 AM permalink
Thanks for sharing Wizard. I enjoy trivia very much. I only got four, but probably would have gotten 2 more if I had thought about it a little more.
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May 28th, 2013 at 10:17:51 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Thanks for sharing Wizard. I enjoy trivia very much. I only got four, but probably would have gotten 2 more if I had thought about it a little more.



A lot of these questions I went "Dammit, I should have remembered that!" Got 3 correct, but I knew half of them at some point in my life...bah
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May 28th, 2013 at 11:42:53 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here were the questions for this year's trivia challenge.

With all due respect to the Wizard, I feel he was wrong on question number 11, although throwing the question out was probably the best thing to do. For those of you absent, apparently tupp is/was actually a gaffer, and the Wizard disagreed with his answer.

Wiz, you kept reading the Wikipedia article out loud, emphasizing the word lighting whenever it came up, but breezing by the world "electrician" whenever it came up. The first sentence of the article reads "A gaffer in the motion picture industry and on a television crew is an electrician, sometimes head of the electrical department, responsible for the execution (and sometimes the design) of the lighting plan for a production's grips." In fact, the world electrician/electrical occur twice before the word lighting is mentioned. Also, if you google "gaffer definition," Google says "The chief electrician in a motion-picture or television production unit." I have no idea where Google culls these definitions, but that's another vote in favor of tupp's answer.


Also, if I had been more clear-headed, I would have argued my answer to #9.

While Sluggo was ostensibly Mr. Bill's enemy, I felt like it was always supposed to be a kind of slapstick bit where Mr. Hands would always blame Sluggo for the bad things happening in the skit, even though it was clearly Mr. Hands who was always actually doing the bad things. Sure they're all clay figures other than Mr. Hands, so he has to do everything, but he never felt much sympathy for Mr. Bill.

Anyway, no sour grapes or anything, since I got 2nd place after the tie-breaker (which was naming the price of gold that day). For 2nd place I got a copy of Gambling 102, which I actually already had. However, I had a plan so I kept it - I left it with the Gideon Bible in my hotel room. Maybe some degenerate slot player or 6-5 BJ player will find it and start playing better games :).
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May 28th, 2013 at 11:55:15 AM permalink
Yeah, lighting is about 95% of what a gaffer does, because lights are about 95% of the on-set electrified elements in a production. But to the extent that the gaffer also manages the rigging and wiring for non-lighting on-set electrical equipment, lighting cannot be the correct answer - at least not the only correct answer.
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May 28th, 2013 at 12:25:20 PM permalink
I got 8 not counting the gaffer question.I`m usually average at trivia but these were all from the 80`s. Last month there was a tv special on the 80`s on the History channel so I think that helped.
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May 28th, 2013 at 12:43:53 PM permalink
Who won? What was the first prize?
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May 28th, 2013 at 1:54:10 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Yeah, lighting is about 95% of what a gaffer .



I use gaffer tape for everything, to hell with duct tape.
Gaffer tape is stickier and stronger, its indestructible.

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May 28th, 2013 at 2:02:47 PM permalink
I thought I could get 2 of them, but blew it on what was banned on airlines.

I am still waiting for the name to come to me on #14, I think I know it. Otherwise, it seems the 80s is not my era.
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May 28th, 2013 at 2:05:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Who won? What was the first prize?


From the bottom of the OP:
Quote: Wizard

Our winner was Loach, with a score of six points. His prize was a Wizard of Odds polo shirt and copy of Gambling 102.

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May 28th, 2013 at 2:13:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I use gaffer tape for everything, to hell with duct tape.
Gaffer tape is stickier and stronger, its indestructible.



Yep! And when you're done, it comes off clean. It's pretty amazing tape.
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May 28th, 2013 at 2:53:29 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

With all due respect to the Wizard, I feel he was wrong on question number 11, although throwing the question out was probably the best thing to do. For those of you absent, apparently tupp is/was actually a gaffer, and the Wizard disagreed with his answer.



FWIW if you had asked that question in the UK then a lot of people would have replied that a Gaffer overlooks/runs the whole thing. A 'Gaffer' is the person in charge of a company or business i.e. the boss.

By the way, I knew I was going to do badly in the quiz when I thought 'Ironside' for Question 1 :-)
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May 28th, 2013 at 2:57:34 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus



Yep! And when you're done, it comes off clean. It's pretty amazing tape.



You can staple gaffer tape, and it would rip duct tape.
I fixed a plastic bumper on an old car that had come
loose and was drooping. I put it back in place with
the gaffer tape, then stapled the tape in place with
a staple gun. Its still holding a year later. Its made
for Jerry-Rigging, its the fast solution to almost anything.

(yes, Jerry is slang for German. In WWII the Brits called
them Jerry's because their helmets resembled Brit chamber
pots, which was called a Jerry Pot.)
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May 28th, 2013 at 2:59:38 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

With all due respect to the Wizard, I feel he was wrong on question number 11, although throwing the question out was probably the best thing to do. For those of you absent, apparently tupp is/was actually a gaffer, and the Wizard disagreed with his answer.



I also am siding with tupp on this one. Sorry Wizard. But thanks for the shirt.

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May 29th, 2013 at 5:08:38 PM permalink
I'm still curious. Who is this "Mr. Bill" in question 9?
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May 29th, 2013 at 5:16:48 PM permalink
Mr. Bill is a character who made his first appearance on Saturday Night Live in the 70's.

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May 29th, 2013 at 6:07:51 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

I got 4. I stink at trivia. Maybe I'd fare well if it was all Princess Bride trivia.



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May 29th, 2013 at 6:10:08 PM permalink
Quote: SoulChaser

Maybe you should eat more Activia, or take a vacation in Bolivia.



Anyone want a peanut?



Bahaha!

The Princess Bride question was the only one I got straight away. Everyone remembers the name of the Goon Squad.

The last question is the only other one I got right, simply because 1980 + Washington always equals Mt St Helens.
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May 29th, 2013 at 6:28:00 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Mr. Bill is a character who made his first appearance on Saturday Night Live in the 70's.



Ah, thanks. I saw SNL mostly in the 80s and early 90s.

The Wizard might have asked who shot Buckwheat... ;)
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May 29th, 2013 at 8:15:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I use gaffer tape for everything, to hell with duct tape.
Gaffer tape is stickier and stronger, its indestructible.



Duct tape is Gaffer tape. they are interchangeable.

It was the only question I got correct. Yikes... when I clicked on the hidden answer I said to myself, "could it be a trick question... like someone who fixes slot machines?"
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May 29th, 2013 at 8:22:18 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson



Duct tape is Gaffer tape. they are interchangeable.

"



Actually, they aren't. Gaffer tape is made of cloth
and is super sticky. Duct tape is made of plastic.
Gaffer tape is more expensive, but its much more
durable than duct tape and is much stronger.
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May 29th, 2013 at 8:52:34 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson


Duct tape is Gaffer tape. they are interchangeable.



That is totally false. One is cloth, the other is plastic. One has petroleum glue, the other has a rubber based adhesive. One is matte black, the other is shiny and silver.
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May 29th, 2013 at 8:58:21 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

That is totally false. One is cloth, the other is plastic. One has petroleum glue, the other has a rubber based adhesive. One is matte black, the other is shiny and silver.



Whoa... tell me which is which?

the only "gaffer tape" Ive ever seen is plastic, shiny and silver and don't ask me what the adhesive is but it sticks and removes just like "duct tape."

the only "duct tape" Ive ever seen is plastic, shiny and silver and don't ask me what the adhesive is but it sticks and removes just like "gaffer tape."

Since I started in the TV business back in 1973 we always bought our "gaffer's tape" at a hardware store. When Home Depot opened up back in the early 1980s we enjoyed the discounts that Joe's Hardware wouldn't give us.
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May 29th, 2013 at 9:00:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Gaffer tape is made of cloth
and is super sticky.



You don't want super sticky. You want to be able to remove it cleanly after you finish holding down the wires or light stands when you leave the location.
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May 29th, 2013 at 9:02:44 PM permalink
You know what? I am starting to think that what is branded as "gaffer's tape" might just be a fancy name for something we don't really use in the business. Does your "gaffer tape" have a higher price than duct tape? If so you're paying too much. LOL
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May 29th, 2013 at 9:23:47 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

You know what? I am starting to think that what is branded as "gaffer's tape" might just be a fancy name for something we don't really use in the business. Does your "gaffer tape" have a higher price than duct tape?



My brother owned a camera store for 22 years. He sold
nothing but the real gaffer tape to real photogs and
movie makers. Its black, its cloth, its sticky and it works
rings around duct tape. Being cloth and not plastic,
it also works as strapping, and a thousand other uses.
Its all I buy and use, makes duct tape look like a joke.
Yes, its more expensive and worth every penny. Its
mostly sold in black, but comes in many colors.

"Gaffer tape, gaffer's tape, gaff tape[1] or gaffa tape[2] is a strong, tough, cotton cloth pressure sensitive tape with strong adhesive properties. It is used in theatre, film and television productions as well as during live performances and any other kind of stage work. While related to duct tape, it DIFFERS in that it can be removed cleanly because it uses a synthetic petroleum-based adhesive rather than a natural rubber adhesive.[3] The tape is often referred to as a production expendable because it is discarded after the production process is complete."

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May 29th, 2013 at 9:26:18 PM permalink
Paying too much? Real gaff tape is about twice the price of duct tape. But it also doesn't leave a residue that gums up the cords over time. So there's less time and money spent cleaning and replacing cords. I'm not sure why, but it was always the audio cords that didn't like the duct tape in my high school's theatre department. Maybe the rubber in the cord reacts with the rubber in the duct tape's adhesive?


Here's my favorite gaff tape brand
Here's the wiki page about gaff tape
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May 29th, 2013 at 9:31:15 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Paying too much? Real gaff tape is about twice the price of duct tape.



More like 3 times as much. Works great in the winter
to seal air leaks around windows. There's nothing like
it for making repairs on tools or cars. Wrap some around
a hammer for a better grip, tear it in small strips to bind
electric wires together. The tensile strength of duct tape
is between 20 and 30 pounds, the TS of gaffer is 45 pounds.
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May 29th, 2013 at 9:47:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

My brother owned a camera store for 22 years. He sold
nothing but the real gaffer tape to real photogs and
movie makers.



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May 29th, 2013 at 10:00:40 PM permalink
Okay, I admit that the gaffer question should have never been asked. I was originally going to ask another question about American television, but I've been accused by somebody who was present for the contest that the only thing I know about is gambling and television shows from the 1980's. So, on the way to the lunch, before the flat tire, I was listening to Wait wait, don't tell me. The contestant on the show was a gaffer. The host of the show asked what a gaffer does and he said it is the person in charge of lighting for movies. This came directly from a gaffer.

There is always at least one contested question per contest, so I'm not going to feel too badly over this. Teddys says on Jeopardy, in real time, they often hold up the show for up to 15 minutes while the judges debate certain answers. I put a lot less effort into thinking of questions than they do.

About Mr. Bill, I make no apologies for counting Mr. Hands as wrong. That would be like saying that Superman's enemy is Jerry Siegel for creating Lex Luthor.
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:04:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

(yes, Jerry is slang for German. In WWII the Brits called
them Jerry's because their helmets resembled Brit chamber
pots, which was called a Jerry Pot.)



I think you are war too late there, I think Jerry was from World War I, and then continued use into WW2 (jerry-can, jerry-built and jerry-rigged, which also has roots in jury-rigged as well).

As for Gaffer Tape (aka Bodge-it tape when I was setting up AV equipment), great stuff.
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:13:41 PM permalink
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Never mind what I say. I'm not real.



You're real, but duct tape is not gaffer tape by
any stretch..
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:16:56 PM permalink
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I think you are war too late there, I think Jerry was from World War I,



Yes, WWI. Even the Brits weren't using chamber pots
by WWII. Well, most of them anyway..
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:27:19 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You're real, but duct tape is not gaffer tape by
any stretch..



Okay, here's a compromise: We use duct tape as gaffers tape because the last thing we want to do is pay more for something else when the substitute works perfectly well.

(Also, in 40 years of TV I never used anything that said "gaffer" on the package.)
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:37:08 PM permalink
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Okay, here's a compromise: We use duct tape as gaffers tape because the last thing we want to do is pay more for something else when the substitute works perfectly well.



The thing about duct tape is, it has rubber glue
and leaves a white residue on whatever you stick
it to. Gaffer tape is not only sticker, it leaves no
residue no matter how long its stuck to a floor or
wall or whatever. Duct tape works, just not as well.
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:38:46 PM permalink
I'll tell you what. You go ahead and use gaffer tape with its stickier surface. But I won't hire you. :-)
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May 29th, 2013 at 10:53:41 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I'll tell you what. You go ahead and use gaffer tape with its stickier surface. But I won't hire you. :-)



This is a very strange conversation. You're trying
to make me wrong for using gaffer tape for gaffing
jobs because you use duct tape. Because you're too
cheap to use the real thing. Using an inferior product
is OK, just don't try and convince me Hamm's is
Budweiser, because its not.
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May 29th, 2013 at 11:17:47 PM permalink
Actually price is not the issue here. It's the "stickiness factor." The tape is used for temporary jobs, such as taping down wires and power cords so you don't have pedestrians trip over them, or crew members disturb them. You want the tape to lift off easily and cleanly. I never heard of anyone wanting to use very sticky tape for these temporary jobs.

Secondly, I never in my life saw a package with the wording that says "gaffer" on it. We always bought and used duct tape.

I think someone decided to put the word "gaffer" on the package to charge more.

It sounds to me like having blue oxford shirts with a label that says blue oxford shirts that sell for $25, and then having blue oxford shirts in a package that say "TV blue oxford shirts" and selling them for $50 because they say "TV" on the package.

Sorry to have the dispute with you, but that's just the way it is.... and has been for all my years in TV.

And to put it another way: gaffer tape has always been duct tape. Sorry.
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May 30th, 2013 at 5:48:52 AM permalink
Is it duct tape or duck tape?
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May 30th, 2013 at 6:46:03 AM permalink
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Is it duct tape or duck tape?



duct as in air conditioning ducts.
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May 30th, 2013 at 6:58:51 AM permalink
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duct as in air conditioning ducts.



I've heard to referred to as "duck tape" too.
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May 30th, 2013 at 7:28:18 AM permalink
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I've heard to referred to as "duck tape" too.



Duck is by far the most popular brand name of duct tape. It gets confusing quickly...

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May 30th, 2013 at 7:28:54 AM permalink
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I've heard to referred to as "duck tape" too.



There is a brand of adhesive tapes, including duct tape, called "Duck Tape."
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May 30th, 2013 at 7:49:52 AM permalink
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I've heard to referred to as "duck tape" too.

Handy to restrain those unruly ducks!
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May 30th, 2013 at 7:59:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Is it duct tape or duck tape?



Originally called duck tape, as it was cotton duck cloth as the backing for the adhesive. The 'duct' came later when it was used to seal ducts, or at least from the etymologies I've seen online. The 'Duck Tape' TM took on the branding.

The stickiness is not for permanence, but for staying in place once put down. You can rip it up again, and it leaves everything as it was. The difference is the ability to resist lateral forces rather than vertical forces applied to the adhesive.

I'm with Bob on this one, 'Gaffer' tape I used in AV left no marks when removed, whereas the cheaper tapes left a nasty sticky mess.

It didn't bind -into- the surface so you could clean up after yourself easily. But whatever, duct, duck or gaffer (or even I've heard it referred to as hockey tape up here in the Great White North, even though you probably wouldn't use Bodger tape on a hockey stick (Face?)), it's all useful stuff.
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May 30th, 2013 at 8:01:04 AM permalink
Oh, the inevitable meme:

Duct tape has a light side and a dark side and it binds the Universe together. In other words, it is The Force.

;)

(though the Mythbusters love Duct Tape more)
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