Should mrjjj be banned?
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Quote: EvenBobAnd he spends
far more time practicing at home than he does
playing in a casino. This keeps you sharp and
lets you constantly tweak your game to make
it better.
Explain how it is possible to "tweak your game to make it better" on a game where every single bet has the same odds of winning. Does he do wrist exercises to help with speedy bet placement?
Quote: rdw4potusExplain how it is possible to "tweak your game to make it better" on a game where every single bet has the same odds of winning
You practice to see every possible outcome you can
so you know what to expect in the casino. Nothing
is worse than being unprepared. The more you
practice, the more playing becomes second nature.
How are you privy to such personal information about him as to his business and at home betting activities, hmm?
I trust you don't rely merely on what he tells you.
Now I've heard everything.
I suppose some people practice calling coin flips, just so they do it right and win more often.Quote: WongBoPracticing roulette.
Now I've heard everything.
It would be a shame not to be prepared.
I once designed a system with a progression that stayed in profit over 140.000 real spins (16 months of numbers from 5 different german casinos). The only reason i was able to keep it in profit for so long was because i put the bad months at the end of the test. A 3 month test on some wiesbaden numbers from later, made it belly up already after 8000 spins.
Should J be banned : Like the wizard says, he comes in here well knowing that he is going to conflict with most in here, so his purpose from the start is obvious at least for himself.
They attack me and i just defend myself. Yeah well, you knew that didn`t you. Shit would have happened on every other message board except for the roulette boards so why bother if it wasen`t for the trouble ?
In his suspension time he has made +50 posts with himself elsewhere, so i guess its some sort of psychological disorder. Keep him as the forum freak or ?
Quote: EvenBobYou practice to see every possible outcome you can
so you know what to expect in the casino. Nothing
is worse than being unprepared. The more you
practice, the more playing becomes second nature.
So him losing 5.26% per bet is second nature to him. As we all know.
Explain to me how being prepared to lose makes him win?
Your paragraph makes absolutely no sense.
Quote: SOOPOOSo him losing 5.26% per bet is second nature to him. As we all know.
Explain to me how being prepared to lose makes him win?
Easy. If losing 5.26% is your second nature, then you are prepared to call losing 5.25% "a win" and brag about your system method all over internet.
Quote: weaselmanEasy. If losing 5.26% is your second nature, then you are prepared to call losing 5.25% "a win" and brag about your system method all over internet.
Duh.....
with MrJJJ.
Practicing Roulette requires about the same skill
as drinking coffee. I could practice drinking coffee
all day, but I would realize probably after a couple
of hours of practice that my skill level at drinking
coffee would not get any better with more practice.
In otherwords, I believe that practicing roulette
after a few hours would become meaningless.
Developing a betting method and discipline around
roulette betting however, does take time. I think
the effort is futile, mind you, but to each their own.
Once you realize that numbers in roulette on an
unbiased wheel are completely random and that the 5.26%
is always against you, most people would move on to
a different game. The only reason people stick to
roulette and use a betting system is because there is
a belief that numbers are not random. This is the
gambler's fallacy. Once you realize that roulette
numbers are truly random and that the 5.26% is
against you all the time, you are far better off to take your
betting method elsewhere and apply it to a different
game (such as Craps, casino War or bacarrat) where
your betting method will generally have better results.
However, I guess I'm the idiot, because Mrjjj has found
a way to beat 5.26% while I have taken the roulette
wheel for a spin perhaps 10 times in my 10 year gambing
career. Since I'm not "experienced" in roulette, I
suppose my opinion means nothing.
Nice! But did you spend under 9 hours to play roulette, and are you a "coolbreeze"? ;)
Quote: boymimboPracticing Roulette requires about the same skill
as drinking coffee.
Not if you have a Ted Striker kind of drinking problem. Coffee would be a deadly danger then ;)
Quote: MathExtremistIf, as Mosca has suggested, he's just trolling to get a rise out of people, then there is no point in arguing. Having skimmed through the link someone posted to the GG forum, wherein Ken had a day-long argument with himself after his posting rights were suspended, I'd never invite that behavior back to this forum. But that's just me. I view forums like this as an online equivalent to a happy hour at a bar. Anyone can come in for a drink and start up a conversation, but if you're only there to pick fights, out you go. Management reserves the right to refuse service, etc. Perhaps there are some bars where getting in fights is encouraged, but that's not where I'd choose to hang out.
Quote: YoDiceRoll11MathExtremist, Keyser, and Kelly,
Do you see the awesome discussion you just had on wheel bias, etc? That would be impossible if Ken was here right now, as he would de-rail it by first saying, WRONG ANSWER. and than calling you three coolbreezes and rookies and that you needed to study up more than 9 hours. And than change the subject by completely not answering a valid question and say WAITING!!! (Kinda reminds me of Charlie Sheen #WINNING!)
My point being is that the "attacks" are self manifested. In the beginning of the thread, it was actually a legitimate question as to whether Ken could be ahead or behind and WHAT exactly his method is as he was acting the mystic. He took the skepticism as a personal attack and that is when it escalated. It's a shame we couldn't just talk about, the method, and wheel bias, and betting strategies. Because that is interesting.
Just a thought.
After reading this, I, too, would like to change my vote to "yes". Once the replies are isolated, they can be seen for what they are; pure argumentative behavior, for its own sake.
Quote: NareedNot if you have a Ted Striker kind of drinking problem. Coffee would be a deadly danger then ;)
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
Quote: YoDiceRoll11Do you see the awesome discussion you just had on wheel bias, etc? That would be impossible if Ken was here right now,
Possibly. But also, this discussion would never happen if Ken was not here in the first place. Remember that too.
He's been gone for days, and we keep talking about him. Is it really because he is such an uninteresting guy?
Quote: boymimboOnce you realize that roulette numbers are truly random and that the 5.26% is against you all the time, you are far better off to take your
betting method elsewhere and apply it to a different game (such as Craps, casino War or bacarrat) where your betting method will generally have better results.
I treat craps and roulette as pretty much the same game -- pseudo-random bets on random numbers. I play craps because I find the game to be entertaining, while I find roulette to be boring. And they let me roll the dice some of the time, although they have never let me spin the wheel or roll the ball.
I make enough of the stupid bets at craps that the overall house edge may not be a whole lot better than I would be getting at roulette.
Quote: weaselmanPossibly. But also, this discussion would never happen if Ken was not here in the first place. Remember that too.
He's been gone for days, and we keep talking about him. Is it really because he is such an uninteresting guy?
Another member was banned for life one year ago yesterday and his name is still brought up especially as a gag answer in polls. I think he is secretly missed by some of us.
Quote: 1BBAnother member was banned for life one year ago yesterday and his name is still brought up especially as a gag answer in polls. I think he is secretly missed by some of us.
Jerry was before my time.
What was the issue with him, anyway?
Quote: weaselmanPossibly. But also, this discussion would never happen if Ken was not here in the first place. Remember that too.
He's been gone for days, and we keep talking about him. Is it really because he is such an uninteresting guy?
Who can resist rubber-necking at the scene when a clown car careens off the road, smashes into a tree and catches fire?
Quote: MrVJerry was before my time.
What was the issue with him, anyway?
He was a sexist, racist homophobe whose wife cheated on him and created the mother of all inferiority complexes. He also thought that it was possible to win by basically martingaling Video Poker -but not full pay machines, pay tables didn't matter to him because he was only playing in the "short term."
Quote: SOOPOOSo him losing 5.26% per bet is second nature to him. .
If he was losing 5.26% per bet, he wouldn't
be on here saying he wins more than he loses,
would he. Your post makes no sense.
Quote: EvenBobIf he was losing 5.26% per bet, he wouldn't
be on here saying he wins more than he loses,
would he. Your post makes no sense.
Well, it's unavoidable over time in a game with a set and unwavering house edge...
Quote: EvenBobIf he was losing 5.26% per bet, he wouldn't
be on here saying he wins more than he loses,
would he.
No, of course not! That would be dishonest and unbecoming! We can't imagine any member of the fine world wide web population doing anything as appalling as that!
Quote: boymimboHowever, I guess I'm the idiot, because .
Actually, even if you have a system OR method that lost
at or close to 5.26% on every bet, you could make a winning
system out of it by using a progression. If, with practice,
you could stay very close to even, meaning you never lost
more than 2 or 3 in a row, and that was occasionally, you
could murder the casino with a progression. The problem
with roulette for most people, is they have losing streaks
that are 7 or 9 or 12 bets long and this defeats any progression.
If, thru practice and skill, you could play right at the house
edge on every spin, you'd have it made.
But Bob but Bob, you say, you are playing at 5.26% already.
Thats in the long run. In the short term, you could easily
lose 8 out of 10 bets and are no where near the house edge.
Quote: EvenBobActually, even if you have a system OR method that lost
at or close to 5.26% on every bet, you could make a winning
system out of it by using a progression.
Really? Can you elaborate?
If you use 5.26 of every $100 you bet, how do you turn it into "a winning system"?
Quote: EvenBobyou could make a winning
system out of it by using a progression.
.............
Quote:If, with practice,
you could....
Quote:If, thru practice and skill, you could play right at the house
edge on every spin, you'd have it made.
I want to know more about this practice and skill at the roulette wheel.
Quote: weaselmanReally? Can you elaborate?
If you use 5.26 of every $100 you bet, how do you turn it into "a winning system"?
By losing, with practice, at the house edge on every spin.
5.26% is the long term HE. If you play for an hour, you
seldom lose at 5.26 percent, its usually far greater.
Watch people play and 90% of them can't make $100
last for an hour, they're lucky if it lasts 15min. If you
could find a way to stay right around 5.26% on every spin,
you still haven't beaten the game, but with a progression
you would never lose a session.
Quote: YoDiceRoll11.I want to know more about this practice and skill at the roulette wheel.
You all laugh and mock practice at roulette, I'm just
pointing out that if you can lesson your losses thru
practice, its the same as winning if done correctly.
Its not the 5.26% that kills you in roulette, its the
devastating strings of losses that do you in. The
5.26% is written in stone, how it manifests itself is
not. Thats what Ken does, he manages his losses.
Like it or not.
Quote: EvenBobBy losing, with practice, at the house edge on every spin.
5.26% is the long term HE.
It is? I am not familiar with the term. What does it mean? Is there a "short term house edge" too?
If so, what is it for roulette?
Quote:If you
could find a way to stay right around 5.26% on every spin,
you still haven't beaten the game, but with a progression
you would never lose a session.
I still don't understand. If you loose on every spin, how can you then not lose a session? Isn't your session result a total of individual spins?
Also, if you never lose, why do you say "you still haven't beaten the game"? Doesn't "beat the game" kinda mean the same thing as winning? Or are you using your own semantics here again, like in the system/method discussion?
Quote: EvenBobYou all laugh and mock practice at roulette,
Did I say "haha"? Did I say anything derogatory? I just stated I want to know more. I'm serious.
Quote:I'm just
pointing out that if you can lesson your losses thru
practice,
Please explain how. Managing your losses? That applies to every game in the casino. How do you specifically "practice" "skill" at roulette?
Quote: EvenBob
you still haven't beaten the game, but with a progression
you would never lose a session.
That is a strong word to use.
Quote: weaselmanIt is? I am not familiar with the term. What does it mean? Is there a "short term house edge" too?
You don't know that all HE's manifest themselves in the
long term only? If they didn't, there would be no variance
and you would never win a session. If you make 20 $5
bets at roulette, do you always get back 95% of your
money? Hardly. You could make 100 $5 bets and easily
lose 70% of them, happens all the time.
Quote: EvenBobYou all laugh and mock practice at roulette, I'm just
pointing out that if you can lesson your losses thru
practice, its the same as winning if done correctly.
Right. And we're all pointing out that there's no way to lessen your losses through practice. It just can't happen. How would someone practice for a random event?
Quote: YoDiceRoll11Quote: EvenBob
you still haven't beaten the game, but with a progression
you would never lose a session.
That is a strong word to use.
Not at all. Progressions fail because of strings of losses.
If you never lost more than 2 or 3 in a row, even a
Martingale would work, wouldn't it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: YoDiceRoll11Quote: EvenBob
you still haven't beaten the game, but with a progression
you would never lose a session.
That is a strong word to use.
Not at all. Progressions fail because of strings of losses.
If you never lost more than 2 or 3 in a row, even a
Martingale would work, wouldn't it.
My point is there is no such thing as never, at least in the terms we are discussing......
You say, with a progression, you would NEVER lose a session......
Cmon man....cmon. You still haven't addressed exactly how I can practice roulette.
Quote: YoDiceRoll11
My point is there is no such thing as never, at least in the terms we are discussing......
You know for a fact you can't manage your losses?
How do you know this, are you guessing or did
somebody tell you and you believed them.
Quote: EvenBobYou know for a fact you can't manage your losses?
How do you know this, are you guessing or did
somebody tell you and you believed them.
What?? How did we start talking about me personally? Or are you being hypothetical, I have no idea.
I'm saying you can't say a betting progression can never lose. That's ridiculous, unless you have an infinite bankroll...
Anyways, are you going to tell me how to practice roulette yet? Or do I have to keep asking?
Quote: EvenBobYou know for a fact you can't manage your losses?
How do you know this, are you guessing or did
somebody tell you and you believed them.
In order to be able to "manage your losses" the way you're describing, you'd have to be able to manipulate the outcome of the game.
These aren't hard questions, Bob. If having 8, 9, or 10 losses in a row wipes a player out, how does practice help avoid losing streaks? How does practice help cap losses to 2 or 3 in a row?
Quote: rdw4potushow does practice help avoid losing streaks? How does practice help cap losses to 2 or 3 in a row?
How does practice improve anything? Whats the point of
practice, to get better at something. Why do you think
roulette's any different, because you can't figure out what
to practice on? Who's fault is that?
Quote: EvenBobHow does practice improve anything? Whats the point of
practice, to get better at something. Why do you think
roulette's any different, because you can't figure out what
to practice on? Who's fault is that?
OK, say the last numbers were 2, 34, 0, 31, and 8. All losses for me. How do I practice not losing on the next spin?
Quote: EvenBobYou don't know that all HE's manifest themselves in the
long term only?
Nonsense. The HE is a property of the bet itself, not of the number of times you make the bet. American Roulette has a house edge of 2/38 even if you never play at all.
Quote: EvenBobHow does practice improve anything? Whats the point of
practice, to get better at something. Why do you think
roulette's any different, because you can't figure out what
to practice on? Who's fault is that?
Our point is that you can practice basketball, you can practice counting blackjack, but how do you practice roulette? No need to have an attitude. Just asking a legitimate question and waiting for a legitimate answer. Not....oh you should know what to practice. Jeez.
Quote: rdw4potusOK, say the last numbers were 2, 34, 0, 31, and 8. All losses for me. How do I practice not losing on the next spin?
By not betting on the next spin.
OOOPS, have I given the system away? DAMN !!
Quote: EvenBobYou don't know that all HE's manifest themselves in the long term only?
I am not sure what you mean by "HE manifesting itself", but regardless, if "all HE's" do that, then "long term HE" does not seem to mean anything different from just "HE" anyway.
Quote:If you make 20 $5 bets at roulette, do you always get back 95% of your
money? Hardly. You could make 100 $5 bets and easily
lose 70% of them, happens all the time.
Yes, but that's not the point.
You said that "By losing, with practice, at the house edge on every spin." you could end up winning the "session".
I find that statement remarkable because it seems to suggest that you think you have found a way in which adding a bunch of negative numbers together can yield (with practice!) a positive result.
Quote: weaselmanYou said that "By losing, with practice, at the house edge on every spin." you could end up winning the "session".
I find that statement remarkable because it seems to suggest that you think you have found a way in which adding a bunch of negative numbers together can yield (with practice!) a positive result.
I know a good way to lose at the house edge on every spin...flat bet one dollar on all 38 numbers! Guaranteed to win 35 dollars! Guaranteed to lose the other 37!
Quote: WizardFor now, I've given jjj 7 days for personal insult and profanity.
only 7 days? oh no
Quote: EvenBobIf he was losing 5.26% per bet, he wouldn't
be on here saying he wins more than he loses,
would he. Your post makes no sense.
You can't be serious? Because a gambler, who has ZERO understanding of the basic tenets of math and statistics, states he has won you believe him? What he 'says' is worth ZERO. People lie all the time... for a variety of motives....
Quote: MathExtremistNonsense. The HE is a property of the bet itself
OK, make 25 bets and see if you lost at 5.2%, I can
guarantee you won't. You either will have won or lost
at a a far greater rate than 5.2%...
Quote: YoDiceRoll11Our point is that you can practice basketball, you can practice counting blackjack, but how do you practice roulette? .
Find something that works and practice to make
it better. Just like everything else you practice on.
Thats what Ken does, he doesn't beat the HE,
he just constantly practices different methods
to stay ahead in the game. Several years ago
one of the MathBoyz said he couldn't do this
forever, but statistically he could do it for years,
and with luck could do it for a lifetime. Just like
the math in poker says statistically you could go
a lifetime and never have a winning session. It
probably won't happen, but it could.
