Puzzle: Lawful-Chaos & Good-Evil
July 17th, 2011 at 12:39:11 PM
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Movie Characters on a two dimensional Lawful-Chaos & Good-Evil scale.
Can we collectively guess the actor/character/title of each square (if character animated the voice actor) without having to internet search?
Can we collectively guess the actor/character/title of each square (if character animated the voice actor) without having to internet search?
| Lawful Good | Neutral Good | Chaotic Good |
|---|---|---|
| actor | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| title | title | title |
| Lawful Neutral | Neutral Neutral | Chaotic Neutral |
| actor | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| title | title | title |
| Lawful Evil | Neutral Evil | Chaotic Evil |
| actor | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| title | title | title |
July 17th, 2011 at 3:34:28 PM
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No takers?
| Lawful Good | Neutral Good | Chaotic Good |
|---|---|---|
| actor | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| title | title | title |
| Lawful Neutral | Neutral Neutral | Chaotic Neutral |
| Harrison Ford | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| Indiana Jones | title | title |
| Lawful Evil | Neutral Evil | Chaotic Evil |
| actor | actor | actor |
| Darth Vader | character | character |
| Star Wars | title | title |
July 17th, 2011 at 5:36:40 PM
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Interesting posit.
The only meaningful response I can think of is, lawful does not always = good. In a few nations throughout history, it has been lawful to slaughter Jews. In our own nation, it was once lawful to own humans. Currently, it is lawful to abort a baby. But that doesn't = good.
(Yes, I macro-fied the question, but sometimes pop culture can be a great catalyst and illustrator of larger concepts.)
EDIT: Maybe I would add that it doesn't surprise me that neutral is hard to identify. It's hard to be neutral when it comes to that stuff. I would say that "call it" is chaotic evil rather than neutral. I would also say that neutral can't happen when you're talking about good and evil. I'm neutral to Brazilian soccer. I'm not neutral to "it belongs in a museum." Museums and identification of what belongs there is, I think, good and NOT neutral.
The only meaningful response I can think of is, lawful does not always = good. In a few nations throughout history, it has been lawful to slaughter Jews. In our own nation, it was once lawful to own humans. Currently, it is lawful to abort a baby. But that doesn't = good.
(Yes, I macro-fied the question, but sometimes pop culture can be a great catalyst and illustrator of larger concepts.)
EDIT: Maybe I would add that it doesn't surprise me that neutral is hard to identify. It's hard to be neutral when it comes to that stuff. I would say that "call it" is chaotic evil rather than neutral. I would also say that neutral can't happen when you're talking about good and evil. I'm neutral to Brazilian soccer. I'm not neutral to "it belongs in a museum." Museums and identification of what belongs there is, I think, good and NOT neutral.
July 17th, 2011 at 6:37:45 PM
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Quote: ItsCalledSoccerInteresting posit.
The only meaningful response I can think of is, lawful does not always = good. In a few nations throughout history, it has been lawful to slaughter Jews. In our own nation, it was once lawful to own humans. Currently, it is lawful to abort a baby. But that doesn't = good.
(Yes, I macro-fied the question, but sometimes pop culture can be a great catalyst and illustrator of larger concepts.)
EDIT: Maybe I would add that it doesn't surprise me that neutral is hard to identify. It's hard to be neutral when it comes to that stuff. I would say that "call it" is chaotic evil rather than neutral. I would also say that neutral can't happen when you're talking about good and evil. I'm neutral to Brazilian soccer. I'm not neutral to "it belongs in a museum." Museums and identification of what belongs there is, I think, good and NOT neutral.
You've never played Dungeons and Dragons, then?
Character alignment in D&D
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July 17th, 2011 at 10:00:30 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistYou've never played Dungeons and Dragons, then?
I didn't realize the puzzle was from D&D. I just thought it was clever. It looks like the players of D&D had trouble with the 2 dimensional alignment as well, it was later reduced to a 1 D scale.
No takers on guessing the answer?
July 17th, 2011 at 10:16:54 PM
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Chaotic Good is Rorschach from the Watchmen.
D&D turned into AD&D as well, which kept the two dimensional alignments... Micheal Moorcock's Eternal Champion also deals with a world that's balanced between order and chaos, and the anti-hero's of his world have to balance between the two competing forces (as extremes of one or the other are as "evil" as the other). It's a common trope in sci-fi and fantasy (see "Babylon 5" for another world that used this idea of ultimate order being as threatening as ultimate chaos).
D&D turned into AD&D as well, which kept the two dimensional alignments... Micheal Moorcock's Eternal Champion also deals with a world that's balanced between order and chaos, and the anti-hero's of his world have to balance between the two competing forces (as extremes of one or the other are as "evil" as the other). It's a common trope in sci-fi and fantasy (see "Babylon 5" for another world that used this idea of ultimate order being as threatening as ultimate chaos).
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July 18th, 2011 at 7:47:09 AM
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Lawful Evil - Darth Vader, but what hasn't been identified in your prior post was his voice: James Earl Jones. The "actor" under the costume, was nobody of significance, and if I'm not mistaken, was not the same actor seen in the death scene at the end of Revenge of the Jedi.
Chaotic Evil: I believe that's Jack Nicholson as the Joker in one of the Batman movies.
All the remaining have me stumped.
Chaotic Evil: I believe that's Jack Nicholson as the Joker in one of the Batman movies.
All the remaining have me stumped.
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July 18th, 2011 at 8:08:15 AM
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It's Heath Ledger, in The Dark Knight.
Earth Vader was played by David Prowse, a UK west country actor with a thick accent. He was also the Green Cross Code man, a series of public service films teaching kids to cross the road.
(edit got the name wrong)
Earth Vader was played by David Prowse, a UK west country actor with a thick accent. He was also the Green Cross Code man, a series of public service films teaching kids to cross the road.
(edit got the name wrong)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 18th, 2011 at 8:28:30 AM
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The first one isn't a movie, it's a TV show, Lost.
| Lawful Good | Neutral Good | Chaotic Good |
|---|---|---|
| actor | Clive Owen | actor |
| character | Dwight | character |
| title | Sin City | title |
| Lawful Neutral | Neutral Neutral | Chaotic Neutral |
| Harrison Ford | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| Indiana Jones | title | title |
| Lawful Evil | Neutral Evil | Chaotic Evil |
| actor | Javier Bardem | actor |
| Darth Vader | Anton Chigur | character |
| Star Wars | No Country for Old Men | title |
A falling knife has no handle.
July 18th, 2011 at 9:35:36 AM
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| Lawful Good | Neutral Good | Chaotic Good |
|---|---|---|
| actor | Clive Owen | actor |
| Locke | Dwight | Rorscach |
| Lost | Sin City | Watchmen |
| Lawful Neutral | Neutral Neutral | Chaotic Neutral |
| Harrison Ford | actor | actor |
| character | character | character |
| Indiana Jones | title | title |
| Lawful Evil | Neutral Evil | Chaotic Evil |
| David Prowse/James Earl-Jones/Sebastian Shaw | Javier Bardem | Heath Ledger |
| Darth Vader | Anton Chigur | The Joker |
| Star Wars | No Country for Old Men | The Dark Knight |
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
