Who is my host?

I came back from a long weekend at the GN. I was contacted by host #1. She arranged my room (and upgraded me), got us a limo, and set us up as a VIP so we coul cut all the lines. When it was time to check out she was gone for the day and host #2 took off every charge before we left in another car the he made sure the GN provided (not a limo). Each did right by us so I'm not sure who to contact when it's time to go out again.

For what it's worth, I've always been a strip snob but the people we went with liked downtown so I went. It was nice to get the VIP treatment. That's new in my experience.

Quote: Timesharemooch

I came back from a long weekend at the GN. I was contacted by host #1. She arranged my room (and upgraded me), got us a limo, and set us up as a VIP so we coul cut all the lines. When it was time to check out she was gone for the day and host #2 took off every charge before we left in another car the he made sure the GN provided (not a limo). Each did right by us so I'm not sure who to contact when it's time to go out again.

For what it's worth, I've always been a strip snob but the people we went with liked downtown so I went. It was nice to get the VIP treatment. That's new in my experience.

FWIW..If the other host is a male and they are both the same rank, I would go with the
male host. I don't know why but the male hosts seem to be way more generous and take chances when over comping players. They also seem to have more connections when getting off property stuff like boxing tickets.

Quote: AxelWolf

FWIW..If the other host is a male and they are both the same rank, I would go with the
male host. I don't know why but the male hosts seem to be way more generous and take chances when over comping players. They also seem to have more connections when getting off property stuff like boxing tickets.

See it's garbage like this that keep perpetuating the myth that women are not equal and can't do the same job as a man. The cycle will never end with chauvinists like you with this point of view.

Perhaps you need some sensitivity training. I've taken the liberty of signing you up for your classes.

http://www.employmentpractices.net/sensitivity/

On their website they each have the same title. I can't go by gender because I've had to deal with women and men who were both excellent and incomeptent in every field. That part doesn't matter.

What's a realistic way to decide?

Just called and ask which host is tagged to you

It appears you accidentally created two threads with the same OP, I responded to the other one. Thus, I will delete the other thread and move my post here which follows:

I'm not an expert on that at all and have no personal experience working as a host. With that said, I do remember that when I sold furniture is someone had a, 'Regular,' customer, (meaning bought from a particular salesperson on more than one occasion) then we were supposed to credit any further sales to that customer to the original salesperson if the customer had asked for them. Officially, we were supposed to do that all of the time, but we didn't because of the inherent advantage ($$$) that would give to salespeople who had worked there longer and just happened to have the same customer multiple times. Thus, if a customer specifically asked for a person, the person requested would get credit for the sale if they'd sold to the customer before.

With that said, I would suggest that you should contact the first host who set up your room and everything like that. People aren't going to be on the property 24/7, and you should not be ignored in your host's absence, so I would speculate the second host just took care of you as a courtesy.

Quote: Boz

See it's garbage like this that keep perpetuating the myth that women are not equal and can't do the same job as a man. The cycle will never end with chauvinists like you with this point of view.

Perhaps you need some sensitivity training. I've taken the liberty of signing you up for your classes.

http://www.employmentpractices.net/sensitivity/

With all due respect, there's a difference between opining that he made a chauvinistic statement and actually calling him a chauvinist. I'm not going to issue a Personal Insult ban for the statement, but just want to respectfully point out that the Rules are such that we should attack what is said rather than the speaker.

Quote: Mission146

With all due respect, there's a difference between opining that he made a chauvinistic statement and actually calling him a chauvinist. I'm not going to issue a Personal Insult ban for the statement, but just want to respectfully point out that the Rules are such that we should attack what is said rather than the speaker.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark when I say I think boz was being sarcastic.



Probably deal with the first host going forward, unless you preferred the second one. Did one of them contact you?

Quote: Boz

See it's garbage like this that keep perpetuating the myth that women are not equal and can't do the same job as a man. The cycle will never end with chauvinists like you with this point of view.

Perhaps you need some sensitivity training. I've taken the liberty of signing you up for your classes.

http://www.employmentpractices.net/sensitivity/

I can only go with what I have noticed over the years of dealing with hosts. I have many examples where I have proven to myself this is the case.

One example was at the Tropicana: I ask my female host if I can get XY and Z. She said she could only give me X(none of what I asked for). I declined the x and said, "perhaps later". I waited until she got off and asked a male host for XY and Z, he gave it to me without even balking.

Another example: My GF and I, put in the same coin in, same game, same play time, I lost slightly more. My GF asks her female host and she gets only offers $100. I ask my male host and he offers to give me $300.

Comparing hosts with other AP's, it's not even close. The males tend to give more when it comes to discretionary comps.

Sure I have had some overly generous female hosts, I remember Tropicana in Laughlin, the female host gave me way more than I expected and then some, I was really shocked, "the value" was over 50% of what I lost and I didn't play long at all.

Quote: RS

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark when I say I think boz was being sarcastic.

If that's the case, I apologize for both the misinterpretation of his statement and the soft reprimand.

male hosts 100 percent are more lenient. I have yet to find a female host that does not comp the absolute bare minimum compared to their male counter parts.

this is across almost every property I deal with, the only exception being this one female Vp of PD at life
even if you take a look at the top end of pd departments, it is so predominantly male that its beyond comprehension.

Quote: Mission146

If that's the case, I apologize for both the misinterpretation of his statement and the soft reprimand.

Sorry guys, I figured when I signed Axel up for the classes, my sarcasm would stick out.

No problem at all Mission.

Quote: AxelWolf

I was really shocked, "the value" was over 50% of what I lost and I didn't play long at all.

Hosts vary and comp policies vary but a loss in a short time will often carry more weight with a host than the same loss after hours of play.

Quote: Boz

Sorry guys, I figured when I signed Axel up for the classes, my sarcasm would stick out.

I hoped you were being funny, but you know how things are today. My own sample size is pretty limited, so I think it's a great insight that men are more lenient. I found a mention in Max Rubin's Comp City, but it was probably written a long time ago. He basically suggests opposite sex. But that's in the context of slot hosts as distinct from table hosts. Is it still true that hosts handle either tables or slots, but not both?

Quote: AxelWolf

My GF asks her female host and she gets only offers $100. I ask my male host and he offers to give me $300.

Was that dining credit? Gift shop?

I don't suppose it could be slot play.

I caught the double posting after the fact but couldn't delete the second one. Thanks.

Total RFB, including the resort fee. It was probably $500 in all. I'm a crap/BJ player, $100 on the don't pass line and the same for each hand of Black Jack.

An interesting thing that I didn't know but the pit boss told me; your odds bets don't count towards your rating in craps since there is no house advantage.

Quote: Timesharemooch

An interesting thing that I didn't know but the pit boss told me; your odds bets don't count towards your rating in craps since there is no house advantage.

That may be true there, but it is not necessarily true of all casinos. If you are going to be playing Craps for those kinds of stakes, I would recommend calling casinos that you are considering and see if they count Odds bets for the purposes of comps. I know at least one CET property did the last time I called and asked for someone, but that was at least two years ago.

I don't know if most places or even some have hosts that do both slots & tables. I know of some that are slot only and table only, but not both. But I'd assume some have hosts that do both....makes sense to me.


I don't have much experience with hosts, but I suppose it seems like men are more lenient than women, although it never really stood out to me. At a property where I can pretty much get whatever I want (maybe that's not such a good thing?), I talked to a woman host who was a total biznitch, as they say. She was on the fence about giving me a 2 night comp and when I asked for a suite, she said absolutely not, it's a weekend, my level of play, yada yada ya. I just told her nevermind I'm not interested. Called back and asked for a specific host I somewhat know (he's a guy), and when I asked for a 2 night comp, he's like why don't we make it 3 nights, suite, obviously late check out, and where are you thinking about eating -- I'll get you a few hundred there for food, is that okay?


Of course, it's not like every man will be more lenient than every woman.

I think part of it may be because sometimes women feel like they need to "show who's boss" because they're "living in a man's world" and "can do anything a man can do, but better". And men probably have a stronger sense of confidence, in a way, like, "Yeah, so what if I just comped him a $500 meal? He'll come back more, play more, etc. etc. because of that comp."

Quote: RS

I think part of it may be because sometimes women feel like they need to "show who's boss" because they're "living in a man's world" and "can do anything a man can do, but better". And men probably have a stronger sense of confidence, in a way, like, "Yeah, so what if I just comped him a $500 meal? He'll come back more, play more, etc. etc. because of that comp."

No experience with hosts, but in other experiences with women in similar roles, they tend to follow to the letter instructions from the boss, while men will check it out and often find there is no real accounting going on, minor pushback anyway on the matter as long as results are good, and they benefit from pushing the envelope.

Quote: Timesharemooch

... the pit boss told me; your odds bets don't count towards your rating in craps since there is no house advantage.

In many places this is correct but it doesn't prevent you from reminding the crew and the hosts that you do put a good deal of money down as odds bets.

Some hosts will be willing to do really well by you as an investment in your future attractiveness to the casino. It does, unfortunately, make the whole darn 'comp thing' a very arbitrary and capricious process and elevates things to the squeaky wheel situation but hosts are used to dealing with squeaky wheels.

Your female host at the GN is your assigned host. The male host who helped out was doing his job by filling in while your female host was off-duty. At any property, you "should" be assigned a host once you reach a certain level of play. Now, if youre at new to a property and you were playing at a high level, you're still a free agent until you request to see a host or a host approaches you. Once the host provides certain amenity (free dinner, room, show) to you and you take it, you are now his/her client. This is the case for most casinos. Now, I've had my fair share of male and female hosts. Some of my best hosts were/are females. If you feel like your female host is not working out for you, you can always request a new host to their boss, but you'll need a good reason. And a good reason cannot be "she's female and I feel like a male host can take care of more comps." It needs to be valid i.e. "she's been great, but she gets off work and days she is off duty tend to be when I am most active."

Good luck.

P.s. when I go to Vegas with my Significant other, I've felt that I get more with my female host as she goes above and beyond to book facials, massages, and spas for my SO. Also, my SO connects better with her and the host tend to recommend/comp higher end restaurants I wouldn't normally go to.

Quote: SiegfriedRoy

Your female host at the GN is your assigned host. The male host who helped out was doing his job by filling in while your female host was off-duty. At any property, you "should" be assigned a host once you reach a certain level of play. Now, if youre at new to a property and you were playing at a high level, you're still a free agent until you request to see a host or a host approaches you. Once the host provides certain amenity (free dinner, room, show) to you and you take it, you are now his/her client. This is the case for most casinos. Now, I've had my fair share of male and female hosts. Some of my best hosts were/are females. If you feel like your female host is not working out for you, you can always request a new host to their boss, but you'll need a good reason. And a good reason cannot be "she's female and I feel like a male host can take care of more comps." It needs to be valid i.e. "she's been great, but she gets off work and days she is off duty tend to be when I am most active."

Good luck.

P.s. when I go to Vegas with my Significant other, I've felt that I get more with my female host as she goes above and beyond to book facials, massages, and spas for my SO. Also, my SO connects better with her and the host tend to recommend/comp higher end restaurants I wouldn't normally go to.

You don't need a good reason to change your host. A simple he/she isn't working out for me is good enough. There is no reason you can't have more than one host. I don't care what their protocol is, I'm the customer and they can figure it out, as long as I'm happy.

If you are an AP it may not be a good idea to rock the boat.

Quote: AxelWolf

You don't need a good reason to change your host. A simple he/she isn't working out for me is good enough. There is no reason you can't have more than one host. I don't care what their protocol is, I'm the customer and they can figure it out, as long as I'm happy.

If you are an AP it may not be a good idea to rock the boat.

I can't speak for having multiple assigned hosts at a property, because I have no knowledge to offer but I will beg to differ on needing no reason to change a host. I've been turned down for a host change request due to lack of or insufficient reasoning because I never gave them my real reasoning for the request which was "I know he will be more loose with comps." It's a business after all, and they value relationship with you as the customer, but at the end of the day the folks who approve host changes are VPs and they are bean counters.

Quote: SiegfriedRoy

I can't speak for having multiple assigned hosts at a property, because I have no knowledge to offer but I will beg to differ on needing no reason to change a host. I've been turned down for a host change request due to lack of or insufficient reasoning because I never gave them my real reasoning for the request which was "I know he will be more loose with comps." It's a business after all, and they value relationship with you as the customer, but at the end of the day the folks who approve host changes are VPs and they are bean counters.

I'm sure different casinos have different policies. I have changed hosts plenty of times with no legitimate reasons. I told one host, "I just like dealing with you better", perhaps that is a legit reason. TBH I'm not really a host hound.

If I was playing on the square and not an APing. I wouldn't play at a location that wouldn't let me change hosts. I can spend my money at any of the great casinos.

Quote: Mission146

That may be true there, but it is not necessarily true of all casinos. If you are going to be playing Craps for those kinds of stakes, I would recommend calling casinos that you are considering and see if they count Odds bets for the purposes of comps. I know at least one CET property did the last time I called and asked for someone, but that was at least two years ago.

I'll make sure to mention it to the pit boss, or higher, the next time we're out there. I don't know if what I was betting "at those stakes" is considered high, low, or medium stakes- especially on Freemont Street. I know that when I bet greens on the upper end strip properties I get mailers and emails for free, or cheap, rooms mid-week.

A big fish on Freemont Street? Beats me but I went there to please other people and wasn't changing my usual game/bets to play the big shot.

Also, FYI, as far as the hosts go, my wife and I are very low maintenance.

It's usually just going to be a policy that varies from casino-to-casino re: rating on Odds. I don't think you're going to get them to rate you on Odds if it's not something the property usually does, but I guess you never know.

Black-Chip action is probably pretty significant for anywhere Downtown, except Golden Nugget, though I suspect it's also considered at least good action for GN. Anywhere else Downtown will be rolling out the carpet for you, at least, to whatever extent that a Downtown property can.

Honestly, there's so much value to being rated on Odds (since they have no house edge) that if Craps was my main game, I'd probably base my entire play around who rates odds for comp purposes.