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VladAlex1
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May 23rd, 2017 at 10:36:22 AM permalink
He was a very kind MAN! and a great expert
I got a lot of help from him!
RIP Dan.
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 10:49:32 AM permalink
Yes, Dan Lubin was paidowdan here. He attended some of the WoV events and appears as the dealer in most of my gambling videos. I had a little extra time on the first shoot so did this impromptu interview of him:



Here on the forum he may have come off as a bit argumentative and had some extreme opinions on matters of advantage play. Probably his most well-known and controversial opinion is that card counting in blackjack is "cheating."

In real life, Dan was about the most optimistic, agreeable and happy people you could ever meet. Rarely was a smile not on his face, even in difficult times. In recent years he returned to dealing, despite health problems. He tried hard to make a comeback after the success of his own EZ Pai Gow Poker but as far as I know, nothing got off the ground. He and I recently developed a new game, which I selfishly hope will earn him some posthumous success.



Dan was a good friend of mine. He and his wife attended my 50th birthday party. I'm sure he will be missed by many.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 11:17:19 AM permalink
Rest in peace. My Prayers for his family.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 11:18:54 AM permalink
Wow. What a gut punch.

RIP Dan. I'll raise a glass to you when I arrive in Vegas tomorrow.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 11:35:09 AM permalink
Dan was a very nice guy. Had good arguments
with him and his casino POV towards AP's.
Wasn't he in his 50's? I stopped counting the
number of men I know who have died in their
50's, it's too long a list. 10 years ago a family
friend who had nothing wrong with him, didn't
drink or smoke, was in his yard and bent down
to tie his shoe and dropped dead on the spot.
He was 51. There's something about the 50's
for men..

Poor Dan, he had so many plans.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 11:41:00 AM permalink
He was around 55 I think. The record should show he was a smoker. I'd estimate about a pack a day. He could have stood to lose a few pounds too. Yes, healthy people suddenly drop dead sometimes but I would lay long odds his poor health was a major factor in Dan's passing. I think there is a lesson to be learned here.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

He was around 55 I think. The record should show he was a smoker. .



Well then, that explains a lot. 95% of the
50's guys I know who died were all
smokers. With every drag you take, many
men can subtract a few minutes from
their lives. I wonder if it's worth it to
them. It's not worth it to us because
now I don't have Dan to argue with
anymore. So sad.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
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May 23rd, 2017 at 12:04:56 PM permalink
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I'd estimate about a pack a day. He could have stood to lose a few pounds too.

As many of you know I sleep with the rear end of a vaccum cleaner blowing into my nose and mouth. Its even worse fun than it sounds but without it I stop breathing. (Yes, power failures can be dangerous for me). I've never smoked, not once, but I did hang out in an IRA bar in Los Angeles. I could stand to lose a few pounds too... a few hundred of them. Life long central obesity. Terrible stuff. There are various rules of thumb such as a neck size of 17 or higher as being at risk of sleep apnea and weight is often the primary medical focus but in reality sleep apnea is a disease of the kidney, very often overlooked. Indeed my cardiologist suffered from sleep apnea for much of his life and didn't even know that non apnea related kidney transplants are often on/off switches for sleep apnea.

So I would surely urge smoking cessation and weight loss to everyone.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 12:34:30 PM permalink
Dan was a special guy, I can't say enough good stuff about him. I can't tell you how many times he would go to bat for me, tried to get me to pull my chin up. It was always a blast to hang out with him when I'd come down to Vegas. EZ Pai Gow was the first very large project I ever had, and between that and the countless doors he helped to open for me, I would be nowhere near I am if it wasn't for him. Behind only Eliot Jacobson and the Wizard himself in terms of how much I owe them.

The stories of his tipping largesse were 100% true. Every time I was in town, I'd get to see it first hand as we naturally had to have our obligatory bender. We'd often go to the locals places, and sure enough, he was probably tipping 7-8 units an hour. Easily. He got me in good with the Fiesta Henderson crowd. He was a gambler in every sense of the word. He'd often talk about chasing the 'juice', as all gamblers do, and what it means when you have gambling as a hobby. He even gave me my "old school gambler nickname", Charlie Ray. It's a sobriquet I'll proudly remember.

His distaste for advantage players was, of course, quite legendary. He didn't think too kindly to people who banked at regular pai gow, so that's TWO ways in which I pissed him off, I'm sure :P but he was such a stand-up guy all-around that it was a small price to pay. As a result, I'm still undecided how best to remember him: by putting in a marathon session of EZ Pai Gow, or counting the snot out of the local trash shoe game and then banking on the regular pai gow game until the Pan-Pacific Pai Gow Alliance runs me off the table. "Why not do both?" as the meme goes.

He was a good man, a decent man, and a generous man.

Long live his fame and long live his glory, and long may his story be told.
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May 23rd, 2017 at 12:51:24 PM permalink
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... Probably his most well-known and controversial opinion is that card counting in blackjack is "cheating."

In real life, Dan was about the most optimistic, agreeable and happy people you could ever meet. Rarely was a smile not on his face, even in difficult times...


Yeah, Dan was very firm in his beliefs on the controversial topic of casino ethics.

Although I never got a chance to ask, I gotta believe that his time as a dealer made him particularly sensitive to the subject. He talked often about "shot takers" - the kind of people that would deliberately do things that might induce a dealer to make an error, or those people who claim they had a bet at craps, when they knew that they didn't. See enough of those people, from the other side of the table, and you're gonna get a bit sensitive.

On one of my first G2E trips, some of us went gambling one night. I remember that a dealer at a blackjack table paid me on a hand that should have lost (or maybe a push). Dan wasn't with us, but Miplet and I froze momentarily, then looked at each other, and simultaneously said, "Don't tell Dan." Then we cracked up.

I eventually told Dan that story. He also laughed it off.

My point is, Mike's right. Dan took a lot of abuse for his unpopular opinions about APs and casino ethics. But in person he was a great guy to hang around with.

The last time I saw him was last November. We were going to meet for dinner at Green Valley Ranch. I got there a couple hours early and was playing poker while waiting. I was wearing my Poker For Roulette shirt, so eventually someone asked what that was. It turns out that two players were table games dealers and wannabe game inventors. So when Dan arrived, instead of getting up to go to dinner, I introduced him. He talked to those guys for over half an hour about game design as well as his book.

When he was finally done, I had just got dealt in, under the gun. So I said, "Lemme play this last hand." With 7-2 off suit, I made a raise. three callers. I completely missed the flop, but made a reasonable continuation bet. After careful consideration, all three folded. I turned my hand up, saying, "Never trust a guy who is playing one more hand before dinner..."

As we walk away, he says to me, "You bluffed them."
I said, "It's OK to lie in poker."
He said, "Yeah, but you didn't have anything!"
I said, "Au contraire. I had the winning bet."


I miss you already, Dan...
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