2016 Election -- Part II
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Then you are saying that they are not U.S. judges. The painful evasion is noted. Keep chuckling about the rule of law along with, now, the Code of Conduct for United States Judges.Quote: ams288I'll take that as a "no."
Quote: RonCI guess you expect her to make derogatory comments and him not to react.
Of course not. I just expect a Presidential candidate to not act like a childish asshole and be more professional than a Supreme Court Judge.
Why? He isn't the one wearing judicial robes and handing down pronouncements about the law the affect everyone.Quote: TigerWuOf course not. I just expect a Presidential candidate to not act like a childish asshole and be more professional than a Supreme Court Judge.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThen you are saying that they are not U.S. judges.
I haven't really been following what you guys have been arguing about, but no, justices are not technically judges. They operate differently and are bound by different laws.
Quote: SanchoPanzaYou have declared they are not. You cannot back that up, once again.
Here you go:
Quote:U.S. Supreme Court justices are not required to follow the code of judicial conduct that applies to judges on lower federal courts. The code, set by the U.S. Judicial Conference, says judges should not "make speeches for a political organization or candidate, or publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office."
COMMENTARY:
ams288 was correct when he said, "The Supreme Court is not subject to this Code of Conduct."
SanchoPanza was incorrect when he implied the code applied to them when he responded to above statement by asking, "Oh, they are not U.S. judges?" and failed to provide any evidence that they were subject to this code.
Quote: SanchoPanzaWhy? He isn't the one wearing judicial robes and handing down pronouncements about the law the affect everyone.
Are you seriously asking me why a serious Presidential candidate should be acting more professional than a Supreme Court Judge? I honestly don't know how to answer that, other than to say that the President, or someone who wants to be President, should be the epitome of professionalism. I don't care what job they do or don't do, or who is passing legal pronouncements... It's the gosh damned Presidency.
That's just my opinion, though. Apparently we disagree on it!
Quote: SanchoPanzaThen you are saying that they are not U.S. judges. The painful evasion is noted. Keep chuckling about the rule of law along with, now, the Code of Conduct for United States Judges.
I always enjoy when you seem so sure about something like this, but then it turns out you are completely wrong.
Perhaps you should take a step back, and maybe try to analyze whether this happens more often than you realize....
Quote: TigerWuAre you seriously asking me why a serious Presidential candidate should be acting more professional than a Supreme Court Judge? I honestly don't know how to answer that, other than to say that the President, or someone who wants to be President, should be the epitome of professionalism. I don't care what job they do or don't do, or who is passing legal pronouncements... It's the gosh damned Presidency.
That's just my opinion, though. Apparently we disagree on it!
Apparently, professionalism is not all that important to the Presidency...you've elected twice a guy who says shit like:
"We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book."
President Obama
Dallas (Yesterday)
http://time.com/4403543/president-obama-dallas-shooting-memorial-service-speech-transcript/
Does he really even think that is anywhere close to a true statement?
Quote: RonCApparently, professionalism is not all that important to the Presidency...you've elected twice a guy who says shit like:
"We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book."
President Obama
Dallas (Yesterday)
http://time.com/4403543/president-obama-dallas-shooting-memorial-service-speech-transcript/
Does he really even think that is anywhere close to a true statement?
What does that have to do with professionalism?
And are you saying you'd rather have teenagers get Glocks over computers or books?
Quote: SanchoPanzaWhy? He isn't the one wearing judicial robes and handing down pronouncements about the law the affect everyone.
That's funny, because for 8 years now, the conservatives and republican party have been telling people that President Barack Obama is a lawless dictator.
Quote: ams288What does that have to do with professionalism?
He made an obviously false statement. Teenagers can't legally buy guns in the first place...plus they cost a hell of a lot more than a book. No...books can be found but you have to WANT to buy one.
And are you saying you'd rather have teenagers get Glocks over computers or books?
Yes, of course. That is what I would prefer.
How in the love of the Flying Freaking Spaghetti Monster did you come up with that?
Quote: RonCHe made an obviously false statement. Teenagers can't legally buy guns in the first place...
You seriously think he was referring to legal sales of Glocks, and not illegal sales on the streets?
Quote: ams288You seriously think he was referring to legal sales of Glocks, and not illegal sales on the streets?
You are being obtuse. Probably intentionally. The President said it was easier to obtain a firearm than a book. Under any circumstance it is easier to obtain a book. Period. Legal or otherwise.
If you would have said "The President is obviously exaggerating to make a point..." then your argument would have some credence. But to not admit he was flat out wrong is just silly on your part.
As far as the Ginsburg gaffe.... I don't need a formal code of ethics that she is bound to, to know she made an error. If she started each session by turning around and farting at the audience, would you say "There is nothing in her job description that prevents her from doing that?" I can only imagine your response if Clarence Thomas said "How can anyone vote for a woman who ignored her husbands philandering to advance her career, didn't do her best to save American lives overseas, couldn't figure out how to safely guard US secrets, ruthlessly went after aggrieved women to protect the Clinton legacy, accomplished less than nothing in her time in the Senate, complained to the American people about 'being broke', had her husband shmooze the Attorney general who might be involved in prosecuting her, etc...." You get the point.
In other news, I saw Trump being interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. He failed miserably. He couldn't answer softball questions about race relations. He couldn't answer softball questions about anything..... HOW IS IT THAT THESE ARE OUR TWO OPTIONS???????
Quote: SOOPOOYou are being obtuse. Probably intentionally.
I was being acute. Unintentionally.
Quote: billryanUntil recently,there were large swaths of inner cities where the only wi-fi available was the local MickeyDs. When its easier for a kid in the projects to buy dope from the dozens of local dealers than it is to access the internet, we have a problem.
No one said there was no problem. There is a problem. The policies we have in place have not fixed it. It is time to look for new policies.
It still isn't "easier" to buy a Glock than a book--one first has to get a decent sum of money to by a Glock. Let's face it, some people want a Glock more than they want a book. A book? Five dollars? Less? No, you actual;y have to figure out HOW to get people to want to buy a Glock LESS than they want to buy a book.
The President's comment was out of place.
WTF? They giving away free WI-Fi in the inner cities now? Being one of the people that pays for whatever 'they' decide to give away for 'free', Feathers not so happy now.....Quote: billryanUntil recently,there were large swaths of inner cities where the only wi-fi available was the local MickeyDs. When its easier for a kid in the projects to buy dope from the dozens of local dealers than it is to access the internet, we have a problem.
Feathers has to pay for his Wi-Fi....
Wonder if he will accept her apology?
Maybe if she were 50 years younger it would be a different story ;-!
Now the Donald, maybe he should take a sip or two a day just to calm his ass down ;-)
Good Grief
Seems like the "safe" choice. Republicans generally like him.
And as far as I know, he hasn't asked any of his wives for an open relationship a la Newt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSfeLBqkWY
Quote: ams288And as far as I know, he hasn't asked any of his wives for an open relationship a la Newt.
I am not sure this would a be a big obstacle for Trump/Newt when running against Hillary and Bill's relationship at the top of the Dems ticket.
Couldn't agree with this tweet more:
Quote:This is important. Trump is exposing to the world his inability to make an important decision, & his cowardice by hiding behind a tragedy
It's a safe, boring pick. Which for the Trump campaign, is probably a good idea.
Pence is very anti-gay and anti-woman, so some of the righties who don't think Trump is conservative enough may be happy. (<--- I just re-read this sentence out loud to myself and LOLed).
Quote: ams288It's official. Trump tweeted that Mike Pence is his VP choice.
It's a safe, boring pick. Which for the Trump campaign, is probably a good idea.
Pence is very anti-gay and anti-woman, so some of the righties who don't think Trump is conservative enough may be happy. (<--- I just re-read this sentence out loud to myself and LOLed).
I was honestly hoping he was going to go with someone more left than he is. He doesn't need to court Republicans. He needs to court moderates like me and liberals who don't want to vote for Hillary.
Quote:RBG has issued an apology to Donald Trump.
Wonder if he will accept her apology?
Probably not. But I've been thinking, regardless of the whole RBG flap, she should retire anyway. She's freakin' 83 years old. That's way too old to be working in a job with such importance.
Quote: DanaBashCNNScoop: @realDonaldTrump was so unsure about @mike_pence that around midnight last night he asked top aides if he could get out of it
😂
Shocking, I know.
Mike Pence voted for the Iraq war.
Quote:STAHL: What do you mean you don't care that he voted for?
TRUMP: It's a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people...
STAHL: But you’ve harped on this.
TRUMP: But I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning.
STAHL: Yeah, but you’ve used that vote of Hillary's that was the same as Governor Pence as the example of her bad judgment.
TRUMP: Many people have, and frankly, I'm one of the few that was right on Iraq.
STAHL: Yeah, but what about he —?
TRUMP: He's entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.
STAHL: But she's not? Okay, come on—
TRUMP: But she's not—
STAHL: She's not?
TRUMP: No. She’s not.
STAHL: Got it.
Quote:The Art of the Deal,” his best-selling autobiography, as a business bible that demonstrates the sharp negotiating prowess he would bring to the presidency. The book, released in 1987, details his rise to the top of New York’s real estate world; it helped spawn his career as a reality television star and cemented his image as a winner with a golden touch.
But Tony Schwartz, the book’s ghostwriter, who spent 18 months in the 1980s interviewing and shadowing Mr. Trump, says that it is really a work of fiction.
Quote:Mr. Schwartz, a former magazine writer who said he worked on the book because he needed the money, told the writer Jane Mayer that he painted Mr. Trump in the most positive light that he could, thinking that a sympathetic character would be better for the book’s sales than a story about a cruel tycoon. If he could do it over again, however, Mr. Schwartz said the book would be titled “The Sociopath.”
“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Mr. Schwartz said. “
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html?_r=0
And honestly, I guess Hillary's strategy is "I'm not Trump."
Unfortunately for everyone else in the world, it seems to be working for both of them.
Quote: TigerWuHey, anyone see how Paul Ryan is being mocked for the picture he took with all those interns? The criticisms are borderline racist, if not straight up so. Consider yourself privileged if your biggest complaint of the day is how many people of a certain color are or aren't in a candid picture. Must be nice to not have anything else in your life to worry about....
Those were GOP interns
I'm sure if the picture was all interns including Dems, the picture would not have been so white
Seriously, the Clinton strategy team must be rolling on the floor holding their bellies tearing up from laughter sometimes not believing some of the things Trump hands them.
Beat me to it: apparently, the best speaker on the first night of the RNC was Michelle Obama.Quote: rxwineOh dear.
Seriously, the Clinton strategy team must be rolling on the floor holding their bellies tearing up from laughter sometimes not believing some of the things Trump hands them.
Quote: ams288Donald Trump made a fool of himself tonight on 60 Minutes.
Shocking, I know.
Mike Pence voted for the Iraq war.
The more important bit was at the end of the article:
The people supporting Trump do not care that he is inconsistent, hypocritical, and paradoxical. That's how he's able to attract voters whose interests are diametrically opposed. It also helps that there are members of the voting public who would, rather than hear a clear policy position, have a candidate who naively addresses everything with "I'll fix it, trust me. I'll make it so much better, you won't even believe it. And it will be great, believe me, it will be great."Quote:"She's virtually done nothing right," Trump said during his speech attacking Clinton last month. "She's virtually done nothing good. It all started with her bad judgment in supporting the war in Iraq in the first place."
In Trump's mind, Pence gets a pass on that judgment, rooted in bad intelligence. Trump himself gets a pass on not being able to present any evidence that his judgment was any different. Clinton, however, is riddled with bad judgment because of her stance on the issue.
This will cost him zero votes.
Quote: rxwineOh dear.
Seriously, the Clinton strategy team must be rolling on the floor holding their bellies tearing up from laughter sometimes not believing some of the things Trump hands them.
From reporters on Morning Joe this morning:
Trump is furious.
Trump made it clear to everyone on his campaign that Melania's speech was the most important one. He wanted her to make a good impression (and she did - for about an hour, until everyone realized it was stolen from Michelle Obama).
Melania didn't even want to give a speech and Trump pushed her to do it! And then this happens.... disaster.
Melania has not been happy with the campaign for a while. She was mad at Trump's kids for pushing Mike Pence on their father. Trump didn't want him. They did. That is why Melania was noticeably absent from the press event the day Mike Pence was announced.
Quote: ams288
Melania didn't even want to give a speech and Trump pushed her to do it! And then this happens.... disaster.
Disaster? Seriously... how many votes do you think this will cost the Donald? 5? 10 maybe? You think people are waiting to decide on who to vote for based on the speech their spouse gives 4 months before the election? Believe that if it makes you happy.....
Quote: SOOPOODisaster? Seriously... how many votes do you think this will cost the Donald? 5? 10 maybe? You think people are waiting to decide on who to vote for based on the speech their spouse gives 4 months before the election? Believe that if it makes you happy.....
Did I say it would cost him votes?
I am fully aware that Donald Trump voters aren't exactly the most "logical" of folks. Nothing will sway them at this point.
It is a disaster for them personally. Trump forces his wife to give a speech she didn't want to give, and she ends up humiliated. She was already not happy with the direction of the campaign. Now this. D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-trumps-campaign-is-in-a-save-my-marriage-moment-after-speech-plagiarism-crisis/
Quote: SOOPOODisaster? Seriously... how many votes do you think this will cost the Donald? 5? 10 maybe? You think people are waiting to decide on who to vote for based on the speech their spouse gives 4 months before the election? Believe that if it makes you happy.....
I think this could - could - be a snowball starting at the top of a mountain, because it opens the door to criticism of her, where he's emotional and defensive, and emphasizes the incompetence of his staff and immediate circle. He's more likely now to say stupid things on camera than he was yesterday.
Speaking of, going to be hard to take this away from her. Matt Lauer interviewed them both on the plane that morning, and she specifically claimed full credit for the speech she was about to give, said she wrote it herself.
Doesn't matter if it changes Trump base voters. There aren't enough of them to elect him. It matters in the middle, and this doesn't help there. The question is how much it hurts, if at all.
Quote: ams288Did I say it would cost him votes?
I am fully aware that Donald Trump voters aren't exactly the most "logical" of folks. Nothing will sway them at this point.
It is a disaster for them personally. Trump forces his wife to give a speech she didn't want to give, and she ends up humiliated. She was already not happy with the direction of the campaign. Now this. D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-trumps-campaign-is-in-a-save-my-marriage-moment-after-speech-plagiarism-crisis/
Oh it gets worse
Now she is under the microscope
Looks like she lied regarding being a college graduate
1 year and she dropped out
Of course the Trump campaign has no comment about the lie
lol
http://gawker.com/trump-campaign-lies-about-melania-trumps-nonexistant-co-1783912735
Quote: RonCQuote: 777First, with regarding to the email/server controversy, she answered questions truthfully (either publicly or under oath) based on her knowledge AT THE TIME.
Now, let's talk about politician lying in general. Politician lying can be in many form: straight out lie, making "impossible" promise, exaggeration, distortion, misleading, evasive ... And ALL politicians lie in various forms and degrees.
Here are 3 quick examples, and you can research for ALL other politicians from ALL party affiliations.
Trump said he witnessed thousands of Muslim celebrating 9/11.
Trump said (or guaranteed ???) or Mexico will pay for the wall...
And the BIGGEST lie of all in this 2016 election is this lie:
RonC says he/she will not vote for Trump, or he/she is still undecided on Trump.
I guess you forgot to read this thread today...we've moved on at the request of ams288.
You can believe me or not; I could give a crap. Others have admitted Hillary lied and misled about the emails; the FBI Director even said so...you believed him when he said they could not convict her; not so much when he said she was not truthful. Meanwhile, you want to rail on about Trump's lies and distortions.
Was what you said an insult? Who knows. Maybe. I get it, of course...I sure don't want anyone suspended over it.
ams288--sorry...I was trying to talk about other issues but someone ^ just had to come back and do that ^. Please forgive me...
You were and still are so fixated on Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, and you conveniently use the email controversy as a mean to defend and promote your hero John Miller (another one of Trump’s countless lies).
Your continuation and regurgitation of your belief in Hillary’s lie(s) had made it necessary for me to bring your hero John Miller’s lies and your “lie” to the forefront of this political chat/debate. My judgment of you as being dishonest or disingenuous in your “undecided” declaration on John Miller is not an attack on your character, but rather it is my observation on your philosophical view point. IMO and frankly, your “undecided” declaration on John Miller is a flat-out lie on your part in this hot political debate. This is just my opinion/observation only, and I am sure there are others who feel otherwise.
In summary, I think you are a person with high integrity, ethical and moral standard in life, but when it comes to your “undecided” declaration on John Miller, I believe you are being dishonest or disingenuous. It is not my intent to insult you or anyone, and doing so would add nothing of value to this political chat. It is unfortunate that you felt insult by my observation in your “undecided” declaration. As Harry S Truman once said, “If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
Quote: ams288RBG has issued an apology to Donald Trump.
Wonder if he will accept her apology?
IMO, she should not publicly express her opinion on Trump.
Even though she did not apologize to Trump, she did acknowledge a regret (this is not really an apology) of publicly expressing her opinion on Trump. Here is an exact quote on her regret:
"On reflection, my recent remarks in response to press inquiries were ill-advised and I regret making them," Ginsburg said in a statement. "Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future I will be more circumspect."
( http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-i-regret-making-donald-trump-remarks/ )
My take on Gingsburg's follow on press release on Trump: She believes Trump is still a bozo, but it is not wise to make her view point public considering her position as a SCOTUS's judge.
Although not exactly an apology, IMO, she handled the aftermath of her public comment correctly and professionally (Trump, on the other hand, double down on all of his foolishness's actions and refuses to admit and learn from his mistakes).
This cracks me up
Quote: SteverinosWhen your entire campaign is the message of "authenticity" (which is hilarious considering that Trump is a pathological liar, google his politifact file), then this SHOULD be a big deal.
I'm not even a Trump supporter and I don't think it's that big a deal. Both of those speeches are fairly generic in content, with a few similar buzzwords and phrases. I would like to see a list of how many similar speeches (graduations, motivational, etc.) over the last 10-20 years or so are similarly constructed. I bet it's a fairly large number. There are so many other things to criticize Trump for; this is just half a drop in the bucket.
Quote: TigerWuI'm not even a Trump supporter and I don't think it's that big a deal. Both of those speeches are fairly generic in content, with a few similar buzzwords and phrases. I would like to see a list of how many similar speeches (graduations, motivational, etc.) over the last 10-20 years or so are similarly constructed. I bet it's a fairly large number. There are so many other things to criticize Trump for; this is just half a drop in the bucket.
The whole thing is much ado about nothing
but
It just shows how the campaign does not understand the internet
These gotchas start on the internet
Its funny and entertaining in its own way
it goes viral because its funny and the media pick up on it
But according to the Trump campaign, its all Hillary's fault
WTF
Paul Mannafort
“I mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It's not going to work"
Mannafort does understand the internet. lol
Quote: gamerfreak
This cracks me up
Who is the speech writer for Melania's speech?
Could this be another conspiracy theory where the writer is planted by the Democratic party? Or is this simply a case of unhappy employee (an independent contractor) seeking revenge because Trump still owns him/her money for his/her prior speech writings?
