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FrGamble
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September 13th, 2011 at 7:04:58 PM permalink
I gotta thank Ayecarumba for his insistence on accountability. In the life of a priest this is especially important as I do not have a wife who would be able to notice quickly if things get out of hand. It is essential for me to be an open book to my spiritual director and confessor as well as share my gambling expenses with a few good friends. I do tithe (a word unfortunately unfamiliar to most Catholic parishioners) and I see any winnings as subject to my commitment to help with charitable outreach, I don't see that as strange and I'm not uncomfortable with it.

Would Jesus count cards? I think the answer is yes. I was attracted to gambling because of the challenge it presented in trying to lower the house edge as much as possible and make the best bets. it should go without saying that this excludes any and all forms of cheating! I am not convinced at all that counting cards is cheating. However, the casinos have nothing to worry about from me right now, I'm still struggling with the ace-five count.

Finally, the Wizard asked about confession including gambling. As you may know breaking the seal of confession is grounds for an immediate excommunication so I have to be careful in answering this one. Let's just say a dark side don't player would rue the day he went to me for confession, the penance would be one Hail Mary for every dollar won (just kidding, ha, ha)!
Thanks so much for everyone's perspective.
rxwine
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September 13th, 2011 at 7:46:30 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Would Jesus count cards? I think the answer is yes.



Once casinos offer all their games (for instance, slots) with odds posted, I'll reconsider Paigowdan's argument about a casino being a fair arbiter of games and that counting is unethical.

Why my little old grandmother (just sayin') could have lost all her money thinking the 3 reel slot she played last week played the same as the one she played when it took all her social security and cat food money 'cause it was set real low return in the same bank of machines.
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:05:42 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Finally, the Wizard asked about confession including gambling. As you may know breaking the seal of confession is grounds for an immediate excommunication so I have to be careful in answering this one. Let's just say a dark side don't player would rue the day he went to me for confession, the penance would be one Hail Mary for every dollar won (just kidding, ha, ha)!
Thanks so much for everyone's perspective.



Thanks, I understand. I know from Law & Order that anything said in confidence to a person of the cloth is afforded great protection.

Let me take a moment and welcome you to the forum, and I'm honored to say that I can count a priest as one of my members. In the past I've been a bit confrontational about religion, but I promised myself to tone to down after my last rant. In fact, as a self-imposed penance I am going to write a post next week saying something good about a Catholicism.

Again, welcome, stick around a while. Sorry to stray from the topic, please go back to it.
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EvenBob
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:34:32 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


A lot of us think EB's an absolute feather weight on all things gaming.



Yeah? Be specific. Give examples. Back up what you're saying.
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EvenBob
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:44:20 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Would Jesus count cards? I think the answer is yes.



Based on what? Where in scripture do you see a leaning
towards casting lots or any form of gambling being an
approved activity?

Bottom line is, you know your responsibility in the religious
community as far as casino gambling goes. Coming here
and asking the question is like going on a deer hunting forum
and asking if they like venison burger. Try going on one
of the forums for Catholic discussions and pose your question.
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EvenBob
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:54:45 PM permalink
double post
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EvenBob
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

1. You can leave with more more than what you came in with



Is that why 95% of gamblers leave with less than they came in with?

Tell me how it advances careers.

>>Well, for starters: dealer -> floorman -> Pit Boss -> Shift Manager -> Casino Manager. This is along with other gaming professions like game designer, production manager, patent lawyer, and gaming mathematician.>>

You can say the same thing about the Mafia. So what.

>>Addiction Counselor -> Shift manager at a rehab -> Rehab Manager -> 12 step Self-help guru, etc.>>

More positive contributions by the casino.

>>A Shift Manager or Casino Manager has a lot higher standing in the community than most professions: Cab driver, cook, Bus driver, secretary, car wash attendant, etc. Forget about Being a Casinos OWNER....
At a cocktail party, would you rather answer a hot chick's question of "Well, handsome - what do YOU do?" with "Oh - I work at Pizza Hut!" or "I manage the Hard Rock Casino!">>

Again, the Mafia can talk the same talk.

>>Bob rants on Casinos and Casino workers, yet he rambles on here at a Gambler's forum, and probably gambles himself.>>

Nope, if I don't know for a fact if I'll win, I don't play. Why bother..
As another dealer on another forum says, casinos sell dreams and
bullshit in equal amounts, and you get what you pay for.
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TheNightfly
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September 13th, 2011 at 9:07:48 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


Card-counting is OPENLY against the casino's house rules, even if it is not an issue for the Metropolitan Police department.

thecesspit asked the same question that occurred to me. I know you go on about how card counting is "wrong" in so many ways and for so many reasons but now you've stated that it is OPENLY against the casino house rules. Please define "house rules". Is there an actual hard copy of these rules I might find in a casino (or more specifically, your casino)? When EvenBob makes things up I gloss over it because it's expected but I hope you're actually stating fact and not just saying what you think should be so.
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matilda
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September 13th, 2011 at 10:12:48 PM permalink
Let me get this straight--A casino offers to the general public a game of skill that it believes will be profitable. No one forces the casino to do this. But if a person has any skill at the game of skill, perhaps by counting, it is against the unpublished house rules and the person may then be barred, backroomed, handcuffed, and kidnapped by the casino while waiting for the police to cart him/her off to jail for the crime of using his/her brain in the game of skill. A more fortunate player is simply told that he/she can no longer play the game while others with lesser skills may play, even though the casino is open to the general public. In some cases the offending player is told that he/she may not vary the size of the wager in the game in spite of the fact there is a sign on the playing surface that states the minimum and maximum bets allowed. This, of course, means the casino is violating its own published rules.

If Paigowdan believes that the forgoing is in anyway justified, I suggest that he has swallowed the corporate pill and his brain is addled.

To keep this thread on topic--FrGamble, do you really want to enter into this lion's den?
EvenBob
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September 13th, 2011 at 10:20:04 PM permalink
Quote: matilda

Let me get this straight--A casino offers to the general public a game of skill that it believes will be profitable. No one forces the casino to do this. But if a person has any skill at the game of skill, perhaps by counting, it is against the unpublished house rules and the person may then be barred, backroomed, handcuffed, and kidnapped by the casino while waiting for the police to cart him/her off to jail for the crime of using his/her brain in the game of skill.



You got it. The casinos defense is, its presenting an
entertainment venue, not a way for someone to
make a living at their expense. They want your money,
they want all your money, and they want it every
time you come in. Casinos consider the people who
lose money in their casinos to be suckers. They
consider people who consistently win to be criminals
and cheats, even when they're not cheating. Card
counters in their books are listed as cheats, and are
right alongside the real cheaters. The casino see's
no difference between them.
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