Table game invention

I have been working on a table game for a couple of years, I think I finally have enough capital to take a shot at making it real. Is 100k budget enough? It's a fairly simple card game. Was hoping to pick some brains in this forum and get pointed in the right direction. Thank you in advance.


EDIT:: I left out a bunch of stuff. Sorry about that, it is a complete game with a side bet, novel deck and table design. My terrible math says approx 2% house edge. I don't really care where it's played, the dream is brick and mortar but I'm ok with doing a board game for kids if no casino likes it. It's just been my strange hobby for some time now. I am pretty sure that I am ready to start on the patent and pay someone that actually knows how to do the math. Just trying to get a ballpark approximation of how much it would cost me and what the next Steps would be assuming it's patentable and the math checks out.

You can do it for a fraction of that price if you are smart about it. There are tons of threads about game development if you search the forum, but unfortunately not too many in recent years. I recommend starting with Dan Lubin's book the essentials of casino game design or Eliot Jacobson's book Contemporary Casino Table Game Design, but not sure if it is in stock anymore, they both cover similar material and are great reads. There is a game inventors corner with great advice as well:
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/game-inventors-corner/

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I have been working on a table game for a couple of years, I think I finally have enough capital to take a shot at making it real. Is 100k budget enough? It's a fairly simple card game. Was hoping to pick some brains in this forum and get pointed in the right direction. Thank you in advance.
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Welcome to the forum. And good luck. Your question is too vague. There are so many variables that even our most savvy members will have a hard time answering.

Is it a side bet? An entire new game? A poker variant? A blackjack variant? Does it use any new equipment? Any progressive jackpot?
Have you done any math on the house edge? Thought about game protection?
Any patent work yet? Table design?
Planning on brick and mortar? Online? Both?

My point is you can give the forum lots more info without divulging anything too sensitive.

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Welcome to the forum. And good luck. Your question is too vague. There are so many variables that even our most savvy members will have a hard time answering.

Is it a side bet? An entire new game? A poker variant? A blackjack variant? Does it use any new equipment? Any progressive jackpot?
Have you done any math on the house edge? Thought about game protection?
Any patent work yet? Table design?
Planning on brick and mortar? Online? Both?

My point is you can give the forum lots more info without divulging anything too sensitive.



Thank you for the response. You are correct I left out a bunch of stuff. Sorry about that, it is a complete game with a side bet, novel deck and table design. My terrible math says approx 2% house edge. I don't really care where it's played, the dream is brick and mortar but I'm ok with doing a board game for kids if no casino likes it. It's just been my strange hobby for some time now. I am pretty sure that I am ready to start on the patent and pay someone that actually knows how to do the math. Just trying to get a ballpark approximation of how much it would cost me and what the next Steps would be assuming it's patentablle and the math checks out.

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I have been working on a table game for a couple of years, I think I finally have enough capital to take a shot at making it real. Is 100k budget enough? It's a fairly simple card game. Was hoping to pick some brains in this forum and get pointed in the right direction. Thank you in advance.


EDIT:: I left out a bunch of stuff. Sorry about that, it is a complete game with a side bet, novel deck and table design. My terrible math says approx 2% house edge. I don't really care where it's played, the dream is brick and mortar but I'm ok with doing a board game for kids if no casino likes it. It's just been my strange hobby for some time now. I am pretty sure that I am ready to start on the patent and pay someone that actually knows how to do the math. Just trying to get a ballpark approximation of how much it would cost me and what the next Steps would be assuming it's patentable and the math checks out.
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If you hope to monetize it in casinos a novel card deck is a big negative and a hard sell. Think about it, how many casinos games can you think of that use a novel card deck.

A $100k is plenty to try and market a casino game. Do your best to protect the intellectual property before showing to others.

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If you hope to monetize it in casinos a novel card deck is a big negative and a hard sell. Think about it, how many casinos games can you think of that use a novel card deck.link to original post

Definitely. Huge fan of brutally complex TCG/CCGs, but as far as casino gaming goes, I don't even like standard decks with non-standard fonts because it makes things harder to read and increases the risk of error for myself and the dealer. Spanish decks I dislike too, in favor of Hall's patent on Push 22.

(Unrelated: Just noticed that he's got 8 BJ patents... and 1 for aerial logging. Quite a change in field!)

Over the years there have been a few games that use non-standard decks. One used each suit but added 11 12 and 13 of each; it was for Blackjack but allowed you to split pairs before busting. Another had each card with different values on each half; I forget what you needed to do but did see it at a at trial in a UK casino. Also there have been a few card games based on other than Blackjack, Poker or Baccarat; some have lasted a while. (There's a site in the UK which lists many games - https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/ )

A casino will probably want to see an independent analysis of the game for House Edge and perhaps a look at countability. Depending on how complicated the strategy needs to be, the cost will be different. For poker games which require decisions whether to fold or play on, or change cards etc. this is more difficult to analyse; whereas some sidebets which just pay on what you get dealt, are easier to handle.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/lucky-13s-blackjack/
https://wizardofodds.com/games/casino-dominoes/

There are a few problems with non-standard decks.
1. casinos don't want to have to pay for something new, who is going to supply the quantity of these cards needed?
2. players won't know intuitively what makes up the new deck. This is an issue for gamblers who are putting money on the line, they want to know the odds of getting the card they want/need.
3. my guess is shuffle machines wouldn't support them, which could be a deal-breaker in larger properties