monodactyl
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July 24th, 2023 at 3:08:12 AM permalink
When I'm staying at the property I've been comped at, I play BJ (non-advantage) for about USD 600 a hand and I think as a result I get decent comps across properties

Sometimes my I'll go out to a property belonging to another group where I also have a player's card for, but gambling might not be the primary purpose. So I'm not really carrying the trip bankroll on me. Just a little goofy fun after drinks or a show or to visit friends staying at another hotel.

I'll pull out just the cash on me to play, but the bet size will be significantly lower, maybe 50-100 dollars a hand.

Recently, I asked a host for a group I haven't been to for a few months for a room comp, and she told me that it would be hard for her to give me the same stays she used to give me given my rating. She wasn't very clear, but she said my average was pulled down based on x date. I checked and I didn't stay there on those dates, so it was probably a time we were just walking up the strip stopping by places casually playing a few small hands.

With this in mind, is it sometimes better to not swipe your card if its a small session that could pull your average down? Before this I hadn't thought about it and assumed any theo was appreciated on the casino side.
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July 24th, 2023 at 8:09:44 AM permalink
It is very common that your average daily theoretical loss (ADT) is used to evaluate your worth to the casino. You definitely hurt your ADT if you play much smaller than usual. You can often see the effect of reduced ADT in decreased offers, but only after a delay of weeks or months as the casino recalculates your status. When you get a host involved, they might immediately see the drop in ADT and politely tell you they cannot extend the same benefits to you as you once received.

Twenty years ago, one casino gave you free slot play exactly according to the average theo of the past 5 trips. This meant that if you picked up FSP with no play, your next FSP amounts dropped by just the right amount to immediately penalize you for your light trip. There was no gain by picking up $200 in FSP if you were not going to play. You would just reduce the next five coupons by $40 each.

In your case, you didn't even use comps on your light trip and you still cost yourself comps on your future trip. You might be able to game the system if you know exactly when you are going to be reevaluated. You can also burn your bridges with a casino by getting everything you can and then never coming back. What is really hard to do is get away with a random light trip without the casino reducing your benefits to penalize you.
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July 31st, 2023 at 2:01:56 AM permalink
Ahh. Thanks for the information. After I posted here I googled around and saw similar information.

I was wondering, do you know if swiping your player's card at a property for something like a discount at a restaurant would also trigger a gaming day?
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July 31st, 2023 at 5:14:40 AM permalink
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Ahh. Thanks for the information. After I posted here I googled around and saw similar information.

I was wondering, do you know if swiping your player's card at a property for something like a discount at a restaurant would also trigger a gaming day?
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In the good old days, CZR used to embed your ADT score in the HTML of the caesars rewards site. If you use the 'view source' function on the browser, you could see you ADT update every day. You could then get authoritative answers to this question. If you took a comp without any play and your ADT did not change, you could say with certainty that a comp did not trip you. You can still do the same thing by asking your host to provide you with your numerical ADT after ever day that you have any interaction with the property. If you estimate your theoretical loss for every day you play and you know the period that the average applies, you could figure out what activities 'trip' you.

Do you get tripped for:
-- Checking out of the hotel
-- Checking out of the parking garage
-- Just looking at your balance on the kiosk
-- Any day between two days that you play

After CZR removed the ADT from the HTML, I started asking the host for my ADT. The host got tired of looking this up for me after every day of play and I got tired of calling to ask.
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July 31st, 2023 at 5:33:50 AM permalink
Quote: Mental

In the good old days, CZR used to embed your ADT score in the HTML of the caesars rewards site. If you use the 'view source' function on the browser, you could see you ADT update every day. You could then get authoritative answers to this question. If you took a comp without any play and your ADT did not change, you could say with certainty that a comp did not trip you. You can still do the same thing by asking your host to provide you with your numerical ADT after ever day that you have any interaction with the property. If you estimate your theoretical loss for every day you play and you know the period that the average applies, you could figure out what activities 'trip' you.



Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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July 31st, 2023 at 5:44:45 AM permalink
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Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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No, I never heard of you until I joined this group a few years back. If this was original work by you, then I have to give you your props. As I recall, this ADT info was contained in invisible property tags in the HTML, but required some decoding. It wasn't obvious just by looking at the HTML.
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July 31st, 2023 at 6:45:56 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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No, I never heard of you until I joined this group a few years back. If this was original work by you, then I have to give you your props. As I recall, this ADT info was contained in invisible property tags in the HTML, but required some decoding. It wasn't obvious just by looking at the HTML.
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There were three values that were unencoded but they were not labeled. I was able to figure out that they were last trip ADT, last month or last three months ADT (I don't remember which), and last year ADT. It was as simple as just logging into your Total Rewards account and then viewing the source. If I remember correctly they were near the top of the source.

I remember posting it in a few different websites one of which I believe was the Las Vegas Advisor forum (My wife was the moderator there).

Edit: I do remember them changing it to an encoded value after it became public that the information was available and could be viewed.
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July 31st, 2023 at 8:44:34 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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No, I never heard of you until I joined this group a few years back. If this was original work by you, then I have to give you your props. As I recall, this ADT info was contained in invisible property tags in the HTML, but required some decoding. It wasn't obvious just by looking at the HTML.
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There were three values that were unencoded but they were not labeled. I was able to figure out that they were last trip ADT, last month or last three months ADT (I don't remember which), and last year ADT. It was as simple as just logging into your Total Rewards account and then viewing the source. If I remember correctly they were near the top of the source.

I remember posting it in a few different websites one of which I believe was the Las Vegas Advisor forum (My wife was the moderator there).

Edit: I do remember them changing it to an encoded value after it became public that the information was available and could be viewed.
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Okay, I never read LVA. I heard about it from a contact after the values had already been encoded. They probably got it from your work. The last e-mail I could dredge up was from 2008 and the first e-mail I saved was from 2007. Ancient history. I see the CZR HTML is much different now. There are no explicit values in the HTML code -- just javascript that fetches the data to be presented in the client.

I know that the hosts could give me separate ADTs for every individual Caesars property. I cannot remember if the ADT on the web page was listed for every property, but I do remember that there were three values representing different averaging periods.
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July 31st, 2023 at 9:08:44 AM permalink
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Quote: Mental

In the good old days, CZR used to embed your ADT score in the HTML of the caesars rewards site. If you use the 'view source' function on the browser, you could see you ADT update every day. You could then get authoritative answers to this question. If you took a comp without any play and your ADT did not change, you could say with certainty that a comp did not trip you. You can still do the same thing by asking your host to provide you with your numerical ADT after ever day that you have any interaction with the property. If you estimate your theoretical loss for every day you play and you know the period that the average applies, you could figure out what activities 'trip' you.



Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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I ran into him a few times in Vegas, usually in a bar. Good guy.
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July 31st, 2023 at 1:16:39 PM permalink
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Quote: Mental

In the good old days, CZR used to embed your ADT score in the HTML of the caesars rewards site. If you use the 'view source' function on the browser, you could see you ADT update every day. You could then get authoritative answers to this question. If you took a comp without any play and your ADT did not change, you could say with certainty that a comp did not trip you. You can still do the same thing by asking your host to provide you with your numerical ADT after ever day that you have any interaction with the property. If you estimate your theoretical loss for every day you play and you know the period that the average applies, you could figure out what activities 'trip' you.



Do you remember the brilliant gentleman that found that and published it? I believe his name was DRich.
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I ran into him a few times in Vegas, usually in a bar. Good guy.
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He can be a nice guy but he is also a narcissistic asshole.
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July 31st, 2023 at 1:19:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mental

Okay, I never read LVA. I heard about it from a contact after the values had already been encoded. They probably got it from your work. The last e-mail I could dredge up was from 2008 and the first e-mail I saved was from 2007. Ancient history. I see the CZR HTML is much different now. There are no explicit values in the HTML code -- just javascript that fetches the data to be presented in the client.

I know that the hosts could give me separate ADTs for every individual Caesars property. I cannot remember if the ADT on the web page was listed for every property, but I do remember that there were three values representing different averaging periods.
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I was trying to remember but I was guessing that was probably 15 years ago that I found that.
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