WABJ11
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March 13th, 2023 at 12:06:17 PM permalink
As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. Iím not sure that itís legal or that they could actually do that when itís in another country.
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March 13th, 2023 at 1:41:17 PM permalink
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As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. Iím not sure that itís legal or that they could actually do that when itís in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:04:05 PM permalink
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As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. Iím not sure that itís legal or that they could actually do that when itís in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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But you might get a visit from Robert Running Bear. I would advice you pay him if you don't want to be scalped. And I am not talking about tickets.
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM permalink
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As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. Iím not sure that itís legal or that they could actually do that when itís in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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I can actually speak to the Indian Casino one. They will ruin your Everi/Central Casino Credit reputation. However I was still able to get lines in Vegas. Las Vegas seems to be the most liberal giving out lines because they know the DA will criminally go after you. Indians may try to come after you civilly.

I had an issue where Viejas accidentally credited 10k to my account on accident, and couldnít deposit an unsigned check into my account so they weíre out 10k by no fault of my own. Nothing ended up happening to my credit report though and they just dropped it.

A friend of mine was a casino manager at Chumash. They over extended a guy 300k who lost his entire line and told them he couldnít pay. They continued to let him play cash because he kept losing. When I asked my friend why they didnít do anything, he said what could we do? Do Indians really canít do much and sometimes itíll be more trouble than itís worth. I think the morale of the story is if youíre gonna burn a tribal casino marker, do it for a large amount. Also after two years any negative remarks on your Everi report fall off.
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:18:37 PM permalink
Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know Iím being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:33:11 PM permalink
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Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know Iím being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.
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No need for cross posting on this forum.
The thread is on the "front page", above the fold.

Someone with the knowledge you seek may simply be busy doing other things, and has yet to respond.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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March 13th, 2023 at 2:46:28 PM permalink
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Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know Iím being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.
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No need for cross posting on this forum.
The thread is on the "front page", above the fold.

Someone with the knowledge you seek may simply be busy doing other things, and has yet to respond.
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Thanks unsure not use to these forums.
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March 13th, 2023 at 3:05:37 PM permalink
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As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. Iím not sure that itís legal or that they could actually do that when itís in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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But you might get a visit from Robert Running Bear. I would advice you pay him if you don't want to be scalped. And I am not talking about tickets.
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I know there's some serious money to be made under the right circumstances, but
It's not an issue for me since I never intend to work that angle.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 13th, 2023 at 5:18:51 PM permalink
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As a US citizen, what happens if I donít pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you...
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Why NJ?

Is that where you live?
Or maybe they have some type of arrangement with an AC casino - although Iíd be curious what that would be regarding markers.
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March 13th, 2023 at 5:32:10 PM permalink
No, itís a good question. No idea why they chose that jurisdiction. I donít live in NJ. In addition why didnít they choose NV? They cannot retroactively choose their jurisdiction. Thereís already been case law thatís ruled against them on this.

It would be the same as me saying ďall losing bets in Tonyís basement tonight full under NV law.Ē The markers were taken in the Bahamas. The game is taking place in the Bahamas. The jurisdiction and where they can collect is the Bahamas. A lot of people probably get scared and just pay up, but they have no standing to use another stateís statute.
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March 13th, 2023 at 8:36:17 PM permalink
1) Take a $100k marker.

2) Donít pay it back and have nothing in the bank account itís drawn on

3) See what happens!
Itís all about making that GTA
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March 13th, 2023 at 8:58:26 PM permalink
The hanks for the advice. What should I play it on?
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March 13th, 2023 at 9:03:07 PM permalink
Put it all on Big Red
Itís all about making that GTA
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March 13th, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM permalink
Max bet is 3k. Then what
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March 13th, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM permalink
Keep betting 3k every roll. Most likely, youíll be down 100k within a couple hours
Itís all about making that GTA
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March 13th, 2023 at 9:34:20 PM permalink
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Keep betting 3k every roll. Most likely, youíll be down 100k within a couple hours
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But I want to win.
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March 14th, 2023 at 4:22:55 AM permalink
I wouldnít want to be a party to cheating anyone out of money. Yeah I know, casinos deserve it in a way, but I donít think itís the kind of thing you want in your life, as part of who you are.

Having said that, Iíve become convinced that though unpaid markers wind up on the houseís balance sheet, itís a totally different matter than with a normal business. With the latter, unpaid receivables represent needed income to continue the business, and not collecting that means the business could go under. With a casino, uncollected markers are a residual condition of a special operation to make profit. That they then can represent this to the public as Ďhere we are, the victimí is a hoot. I suppose there are exceptions.

The special operation is to remove the assets of A, the player, into the possession of B, the house. In the best case scenario, not only will B get all the initial assets of A, but also the future income of A until who knows when. Additionally, A will, best case, borrow money that B will get as wellÖ indeed B may get the proceeds of all the lying, cheating, and stealing, perhaps into the millions, that A can muster. It is not a mistake for B to have allowed A to take out markers and get deep into debt if things go this well, it is instead a necessary part of the operation. Didnít B incur some expenses? Of course! In this best case scenario, this is well managed, and to view the residual ďdebtĒ that possibly has to be written off as representing the same kind of uncollected receivables that a normal business incurs is laughable and ignorant.

Iím glad to see the OP is asking how he goes about this and wins money. Itís a good question. If he just loses and owes money that he finds canít be collected, what has he gained except a dark mark on his soul?
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April 13th, 2023 at 3:44:23 AM permalink
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Iím glad to see the OP is asking how he goes about this and wins money. Itís a good question. If he just loses and owes money that he finds canít be collected, what has he gained except a dark mark on his soul?
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Lol thatís darkÖ Iíve gained hurting an industry that hurts millions every year. Including breaking up families, making people go broke, taking advantage of problem gamblers, and adding nothing to society except profits for themselves.

My soul will be just fine hurting a casino. I guess APs who take money from poor old casino coffers also have dark mark on their souls?
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