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August 8th, 2021 at 2:53:28 PM permalink
I canít claim to know what DarkOz means. The only thing I can say is that winning on Blackjack with no Natural (assuming a natural even pays more than even moneyóit often doesnít on bar topsÖdare I say, usually doesnít) and with no double down would return 2-FOR-1 and would be the equivalent of hitting a Two Pair on VP.

DarkOz might be trying to convey that you win more hands on Blackjack than you get 2P+ on Video Poker, which is true, but that doesnít have anything that I can figure out to do with the Expected Return.

If heís saying running through FP on VBJ is going to have a tighter actual return range than VP, then I generally agree with that. Thatís a function of variance. Blackjack has lower variance than does VP. Obviously, you also canít potentially win 800x bet on BJ.

Thatís why I said it depends what a personís goals are, EV aside. With certain video roulette games (if available and they take Free Play) you can guarantee a specific actual return on a particular amount of free playÖbut you would sacrifice expected return to do that.
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August 8th, 2021 at 2:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

What's the best SLOT game for converting free play to cash? I'm including video poker as a slot game.

I would say it's 9/6 Jacks but because I've hit AAAA too many times on Jacks my game of choice is 8/5 Bonus.

Would you rank 9/6 Jacks first and 8/5 Bonus second?



Best I've played is deuces wild where four-of-a-kind pays 5-for-1.
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:03:12 PM permalink
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DarkOz might be trying to convey that you win more hands on Blackjack than you get 2P+ on Video Poker, which is true, but that doesnít have anything that I can figure out to do with the Expected Return.
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Yes, that's precisely what I am saying.

This thread asks one question. What is the best way to turn freeplay into cash.
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:07:45 PM permalink
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Yes, that's precisely what I am saying.

This thread asks one question. What is the best way to turn freeplay into cash.



It depends on what your goals are!!!
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:11:18 PM permalink
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It depends on what your goals are!!!



Turning Freeplay into cash is a goal designed for minimum variance

Gambling your Freeplay to maximize your return is something different.

Unless I am misinterpreting the OP, he wants to know the best way to guarantee he will be able to turn freeplay into cash on his next visit.

The best way to do that is minimal variance.
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:11:48 PM permalink
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It depends on what your goals are!!!



Okay. So if ones goal is to argue incessantly, which game do you recommend?
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:18:35 PM permalink
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Okay. So if ones goal is to argue incessantly, which game do you recommend?



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August 8th, 2021 at 3:27:48 PM permalink
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Okay. So if ones goal is to argue incessantly, which game do you recommend?



Posting on message boards.

Roulette, if possible, equal amount on every single number, red/black split zeroes if it wonít let you bet all numbers, red and pick the black numbers all individually while splitting zeroes if it wonít let you do red and black.

Make the total bet exactly the Free Play amount, if possible. If not possible, go over by as little as possible.

You will know EXACTLY how much of the free play will become cash. There is zero variance.

Just not all casinos have this and some that do wonít take FP on it.
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:32:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Turning Freeplay into cash is a goal designed for minimum variance

Gambling your Freeplay to maximize your return is something different.

Unless I am misinterpreting the OP, he wants to know the best way to guarantee he will be able to turn freeplay into cash on his next visit.

The best way to do that is minimal variance.



That is absolutely not the definition of "Best". We are all allowed to define it for ourselves. And if someone really did define "best" as minimal variance with guarantees, I'm questioning how they are getting free-play at all (or even know what it is), because that person isn't playing casino games.

Slot game with least variance on $100 free play might be 10,000 hands of 1-cent blackjack. That would be about the most miserable way possible.

But there would still be a non-zero chance of not winning a single one of those 10,000 hands. So just sell the $100 to me for $1. Zero variance and guaranteed to turn the free-play into cash. That would be about the worst return on it possible (for them), which is like the exact opposite of best.
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:50:04 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

That is absolutely not the definition of "Best". We are all allowed to define it for ourselves. And if someone really did define "best" as minimal variance with guarantees, I'm questioning how they are getting free-play at all (or even know what it is), because that person isn't playing casino games.

Slot game with least variance on $100 free play might be 10,000 hands of 1-cent blackjack. That would be about the most miserable way possible.

But there would still be a non-zero chance of not winning a single one of those 10,000 hands. So just sell the $100 to me for $1. Zero variance and guaranteed to turn the free-play into cash. That would be about the worst return on it possible (for them), which is like the exact opposite of best.



The OP asked what is best. Obviously he isn't sure.

Of course I am giving my opinion to him and you are free to give your opinion

He seemed to be asking the best (in his terms) to play through once and have nearly 100% turned into cash.
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