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August 7th, 2021 at 2:32:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I will go with $45 Freeplay since Alan says that's what he has and let's assume one hand even though he probably intends to stretch it out.

Jacks or better
$45 freeplay, get pair of jacks, have $45 to cash out.

VBJ
$45 Freeplay, beat dealer, have $90 to cash out.

Which would you prefer?



A Royal Flush.
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August 7th, 2021 at 2:33:57 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Video blackjack is likely available in a useful denomination.

This may be a good option. If you play lower limit VP or whatever, you are likely to have some paybacks, so now you have to take the time to cash out and redeem your ticket. If he were to bet the entire amount on one hand of blackjack he wouldn't have to cash out and redeem his ticket about 54% of the time, therefore, giving him the opportunity to clutch those sweet little blue dice faster.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 7th, 2021 at 2:37:08 PM permalink
I just posed the question in a separate thread.
We'll see if someone wants to figure it out.
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August 7th, 2021 at 3:30:26 PM permalink
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The lower limit BJ machines I've been seeing lately are all 6/5 with limited options like double down.
100 play VP is the best I've found lately to cut down on the variance and get the most back.



Most VBJ games pay even money for a BJ but with free play you convert free play to cash for wins and for pushes.
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August 7th, 2021 at 7:59:08 PM permalink
I'm also quite interested in this discussion. I have recently started getting a lot more free play, and the only time I ever sit on a slot machine is to convert it. Trying to do that with VP but I don't know the strategy so it takes some effort to look it up everytime.

No virtual Blackjack where I play.

Any advice on the best type of VP to convert with minimum variance, and also, minimum contribution of taxable hits to the return?
Phrased differently, if we look at a VP paytable, and take 30% off of the taxable hits but not the rest, what would be the best return?
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August 7th, 2021 at 8:25:59 PM permalink
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No virtual Blackjack where I play.

Any advice on the best type of VP to convert with minimum variance, and also, minimum contribution of taxable hits to the return?



Virtual blackjack is different from video blackjack.
Video blackjack looks a lot like video poker, and can sometimes be found on the game king and all star machines.
Virtual blackjack looks like an ETG variant of stadium blackjack, and it's not uncommon for places to disallow slot freeplay to be used.

Denomination will change how much of the paytable is in the taxable threshold. Single line 25c/5 coin max, nothing is. Hundred play $1, you're on a W2G for any dealt hand.

The paytable for Jacks or Better is more weighted towards the bottom. Bonus poker moves some of the RTP toward the top. Double bonus, double double bonus, triple double bonus... all move a lot of the return to the premium hands. If 2 pair pays 2 for 1, you're probably at a machine you're looking for.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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August 7th, 2021 at 11:11:08 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Virtual blackjack is different from video blackjack.
Video blackjack looks a lot like video poker, and can sometimes be found on the game king and all star machines.
Virtual blackjack looks like an ETG variant of stadium blackjack, and it's not uncommon for places to disallow slot freeplay to be used.

Denomination will change how much of the paytable is in the taxable threshold. Single line 25c/5 coin max, nothing is. Hundred play $1, you're on a W2G for any dealt hand.

The paytable for Jacks or Better is more weighted towards the bottom. Bonus poker moves some of the RTP toward the top. Double bonus, double double bonus, triple double bonus... all move a lot of the return to the premium hands. If 2 pair pays 2 for 1, you're probably at a machine you're looking for.



Thank you sir, super helpful!
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August 8th, 2021 at 1:29:52 AM permalink
These days, I use my weekly FP for Ultimate X and other such opportunities left behind, because I’m a low-life vulture. 😄 Right now those are my normal plays, so that’s where my FP goes.

When I would play $1 Loose Deuces to cover Promotions X, Y, or Z, and in the process earn FP, win FP in a drawing, or receive FP in a mailer, guess where it went? Right back into those $1 Loose Deuces! If that’s the best play for your bankroll and time constraints when playing cash, why not use it for FP?

Why is any FP “session” any more important or crucial than a cash “session”? Why is it more important to squeeze every dollar out of FP than our cash play? I guess you could say that I buy into the “lifetime session” idea, which includes all bets on all games, free or paid.

How about you?
* Actual results may vary.
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August 8th, 2021 at 2:55:01 AM permalink
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These days, I use my weekly FP for Ultimate X and other such opportunities left behind, because I’m a low-life vulture. 😄 Right now those are my normal plays, so that’s where my FP goes.

When I would play $1 Loose Deuces to cover Promotions X, Y, or Z, and in the process earn FP, win FP in a drawing, or receive FP in a mailer, guess where it went? Right back into those $1 Loose Deuces! If that’s the best play for your bankroll and time constraints when playing cash, why not use it for FP?

Why is any FP “session” any more important or crucial than a cash “session”? Why is it more important to squeeze every dollar out of FP than our cash play? I guess you could say that I buy into the “lifetime session” idea, which includes all bets on all games, free or paid.

How about you?



Everything you mentioned is correct. It's just that as I said the only times I sit on a machine is to use FP. So you can guess I only play table games, and indeed that's where I would use my FP if I could.
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August 8th, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM permalink
Quote: camapl

These days, I use my weekly FP for Ultimate X and other such opportunities left behind, because I’m a low-life vulture. 😄 Right now those are my normal plays, so that’s where my FP goes.

When I would play $1 Loose Deuces to cover Promotions X, Y, or Z, and in the process earn FP, win FP in a drawing, or receive FP in a mailer, guess where it went? Right back into those $1 Loose Deuces! If that’s the best play for your bankroll and time constraints when playing cash, why not use it for FP?

Why is any FP “session” any more important or crucial than a cash “session”? Why is it more important to squeeze every dollar out of FP than our cash play? I guess you could say that I buy into the “lifetime session” idea, which includes all bets on all games, free or paid.

How about you?



I don't like to do short turnaround vulture plays with a card in, (hence no free play) myself. I would maybe do it on free play if I knew that the setups on a single machine would likely be sufficient to run all of the FP through on one machine.
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