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August 8th, 2021 at 6:27:08 AM permalink
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I don't like to do short turnaround vulture plays with a card in, (hence no free play) myself. I would maybe do it on free play if I knew that the setups on a single machine would likely be sufficient to run all of the FP through on one machine.



I would generally agree.
Still, if Ultimate X is an acceptable way to run it off, picking a machine with a game you might like that happens to be more interesting than the others for the first hand, playing it at 10 coins until the freeplay is gone... should be fine.

Ultimate X is likely higher variance than is sought.
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August 8th, 2021 at 8:46:37 AM permalink
If you are multi-carding freeplay, video Blackjack is the way to go.

99% return.

$50 max bet (usually ten units at $5 denom is available).

No possibility to win Jackpots on someone else card.

$500 freeplay on one person's card takes me ten hands. It takes me longer to switch seats and put my pin info and download the freeplay than to actually play it off.
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August 8th, 2021 at 9:18:49 AM permalink
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No possibility to win Jackpots on someone else card.



I wonder about this.

I don't think a casino checks if a jackpot was won on freeplay.

If you hit a jackpot and your card is not in the machine but someone else's card is, you just withdraw your card before an attendant shows up.

Some personal experiences:

1. I hit a $2000 hand pay with my son's card in the machine. When the attendant noticed the name and addressed me by my son's name I said "oops, wrong card" and that was the end of it. I was paid and there was no further duscussion.

2. About three years ago I hit a $4000 royal using free play. There was no mention about free play. This was at Red Rock.

3. One of my $100k royals at Caesars was hit using free play. No mention of free play though techs were called to check the machine for irregularities. That is a normal procedure. I've hit three such royals.
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August 8th, 2021 at 9:33:52 AM permalink
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If you hit a jackpot and your card is not in the machine but someone else's card is, you just withdraw your card before an attendant shows up.



Some casinos take notice of this, some may not.
Some of the casinos that take note may be more particular than others about the practice.
It is certainly possible that the handpay verification screen the attendant reads may show which card was in before the pull.
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August 8th, 2021 at 10:12:23 AM permalink
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Some casinos take notice of this, some may not.
Some of the casinos that take note may be more particular than others about the practice.
It is certainly possible that the handpay verification screen the attendant reads may show which card was in before the pull.



I'd like to know if anyone has been denied a handpay?

In Vegas the card inserted in the machine has no bearing. That's the law.

The card could have been there before you sat down at the machine.

If you've been denied a hand pay provide details.
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August 8th, 2021 at 10:42:22 AM permalink
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I'd like to know if anyone has been denied a handpay?

In Vegas the card inserted in the machine has no bearing. That's the law.



I am speaking of elsewhere. Most casinos are not in Nevada.

Even in Nevada, they may pay your current wager, and discontinue any future freeplay offers if they get persnickety. Nothing firsthand, but the grapevine says that casinos have been increasingly hostile to shared player cards over the last few years.
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August 8th, 2021 at 11:08:34 AM permalink
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I'd like to know if anyone has been denied a handpay?

In Vegas the card inserted in the machine has no bearing. That's the law.

The card could have been there before you sat down at the machine.

If you've been denied a hand pay provide details.



Yes, I have. Golden Nugget AC.

I had to call in the DGE which ruled in my favor and forced golden Nugget to pay.

All Freeplay offers on that card were killed. In addition the owner of the card was banned for life from all Golden Nugget casinos which he discovered when he went to get a card on vacation in Biloxi. Security surrounded him, said there was some unknown to them incident in Atlantic City and he was not allowed on golden Nugget property anywhere (he reported they were quite cordial about it and practically apologized but he had to leave)

When you are running an operation like mine, casinos don't play games.
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August 8th, 2021 at 11:20:47 AM permalink
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Yes, I have. Golden Nugget AC.

I had to call in the DGE which ruled in my favor and forced golden Nugget to pay.

All Freeplay offers on that card were killed. In addition the owner of the card was banned for life from all Golden Nugget casinos which he discovered when he went to get a card on vacation in Biloxi. Security surrounded him, said there was some unknown to them incident in Atlantic City and he was not allowed on golden Nugget property anywhere (he reported they were quite cordial about it and practically apologized but he had to leave)

When you are running an operation like mine, casinos don't play games.



Casinos can ban you. But the money was paid.
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August 8th, 2021 at 11:42:11 AM permalink
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I'm not a math wiz either but let's examine when you win.

Jack or better:. Wager $5, get pair of Jack's, win $5 and handed back $5.

VBJ: wager $5 and beat dealer, win $5 and get handed back $10($5 win plus $5 original wager)



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Jacks or better
$45 freeplay, get pair of jacks, have $45 to cash out.

VBJ
$45 Freeplay, beat dealer, have $90 to cash out.



A pair of jacks in JOB VP returns 1 for 1...it's a push.

It's not a win because the player hasn't won anything, he's only had his original wager returned.

But you are comparing that to a win in VBJ, when you should be comparing it to a push.
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August 8th, 2021 at 11:48:22 AM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

I'm not a math wiz either but let's examine when you win.

Jack or better:. Wager $5, get pair of Jack's, win $5 and handed back $5.

VBJ: wager $5 and beat dealer, win $5 and get handed back $10($5 win plus $5 original wager)





A pair of jacks in JOB VP returns 1 for 1...it's a push.

It's not a win because the player hasn't won anything, he's only had his original wager returned.

But you are comparing that to a win in VBJ, when you should be comparing it to a push.



I think we all understand that what is considered to be a win in video poker is nothing more than a push.

Darkoz was correct in his post.

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