Croupier
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December 5th, 2009 at 11:43:28 AM permalink
1. How long did it take you to really get the hang/flow of the job? I've been dealing monte-carlo nights a year or so which equates to say 60 hours of "live" dealing, such as that is. Now, I definately felt better after doing it a few times and people even ask "are you a real dealer?" But I also know doing it for fun and under casino procedures is going to be different. So, how long would you say it took you to really get comfortable?

The company I work for in the UK provided the training for me, working 8 hours a day for 3 months on the training school. Most of this time was taken up with Roulette training, as it is the most difficult game to learn (craps excepted which we dont really have in the UK). We spent about a week learning Blackjack, and about an hour on 3 card poker. However it took around 6 months to a year before i felt truely comfortable on a live game. The casinos in the UK place a greater emphasis on hand/spins per hour, than on customer interaction, although this is changing. The most difficult part of dealing is keeping the concentration whilst interacting with players.

2. One reason I would like to get into the business is I love the casino atmosphere and the games. As I think you said, being a dealer is a cheaper way of doing that. But I don't want to turn cards for the next 25 years, either. What is your opinion on the career path a (college educated) dealer can take?

A manager at the casino I work in has a saying: "If youre good enough, youve been doing the job long enough". This applies here because casino's are nowhere near the size of those in the US, and promotion opportunities are limited, so you have to be really good to get anywhere.
I dont know how well this translates to the US as I dont really know the standard of dealers, or the career opportunities there are or even if you being college educated would make a difference. As you would have to pay for training It would be a tough decision for you to take to change to a career in the Gaming Industry, but I think it would be ultimately rewarding. However, to get to management level would be a long term thing and not likely to happen in less than 5-10 years given the experience I have from here.

Hope this has heled and Im more than happy to answer any more questions you have.
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tommybacc
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December 6th, 2009 at 11:30:00 AM permalink
I just heard of a casino promo that uses 1 joker for every deck used in there BJ games when you get the Jocker you can use it as any value at any point in the hand ie Q Joker hit 7 call joker 4 to me this has to be an absolute loser for the house am I correct and how would you play againt this The casino is in OK and they do it only on weds I have a frind who works there and this is real
Croupier
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December 6th, 2009 at 3:02:30 PM permalink
This would be one for the Wizard as to the exact maths. In my opinion you would probably have to declare the value you are assigning to the joker before you draw any further cards.

I imagine Most people would probably call the joker as an Ace for an instant blackjack, however the casino will probably pay this even money, if at all allowed. If not then most people would call it as a ten so gaining twenty. I dont know if one extra 10 per deck makes a massive difference to the house edge but I cant imagine it would.
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pocketaces
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December 6th, 2009 at 7:53:15 PM permalink
Quote: tommybacc

I just heard of a casino promo that uses 1 joker for every deck used in there BJ games when you get the Jocker you can use it as any value at any point in the hand ie Q Joker hit 7 call joker 4 to me this has to be an absolute loser for the house am I correct and how would you play againt this The casino is in OK and they do it only on weds I have a frind who works there and this is real



If this rule is applied only to the player (ie the dealer must burn or treat as a fixed value) than this game would have a large player advantage. The player would always hit (or double if allowed) and get 21 if dealt a joker.

Even if both player and dealer can declare any value I think it still would have a significant player advantage. This is due to the larger set of options presented to the player - The dealer would not be able to hit any hard or soft total 17 or over and cannot double down. So a player dealt an ace would always get to 21 and always get double their money out.

A dealer would only usually get to 21, but not on hands such as joker-7 where the dealer must presumably declare it as an ace (or maybe a 10) and stand, holding a hand of 18 (or 17 if you cannot declare 11 points).

However I suspect there is more to this rule than has been posted.

You asked about the strategy, and it is easy: If dealt a joker, always double if allowed, otherwise hit.
tommybacc
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December 7th, 2009 at 6:31:47 AM permalink
I just recieved a little clarity on how the house deals this game 1 joker per deck used dd=2 6deck =6 ect when the all blackjack pays 3 to 2 you can double on any 2 surrender aval so heres how they do it when the player gets the joker they can declare its value at any point even after a third card draw so if player gets 7 joker and hits 10 the joker would then be declared a 4 =21 when the dealer gets the joker the rule changes for the dealer the dealer always uses the joker as a bust card and the table wins hard to belive but true players can bet 3 spots on a 6 spot layout so if you had 2 people on a 1000 max bet game on a 6 or 8 deck shoe and the dealer busts when he gets the Joker seems to me the house cant win
pocketaces
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December 7th, 2009 at 1:54:15 PM permalink
Wow, unless there are other rule changes like some of the strange blackjack variants out there, that game definitely would have a very large player advantage. As I said in my above post, with a joker the player should always double if allowed, otherwise hit to 21.

What are the table limits? And where is this game?
tommybacc
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December 8th, 2009 at 6:29:07 AM permalink
the promo runs on Weds at Downstream casino in Joplin Missouri it may have a short lifespan as the casino took a bath the first Weds
kaszino
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January 23rd, 2010 at 6:29:41 AM permalink
What are the maximum bets on roulette in the UK? I know there are a lot of casinos, but more or less.
Croupier
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January 23rd, 2010 at 10:31:14 AM permalink
It does vary greatly. In London in the bigger clubs you might have up to 1000 on the number, and 10,000- 20,000 on the dozens/even chances.

in the casino I work in the maximum on a number is 200 on a split 400, and so on, with 2000 max on even chances and 1000 on columns/dozens.
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AZDuffman
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March 4th, 2010 at 8:34:45 AM permalink
Quote: Croupier

I am a dealer in England. anyone wanting to ask anything about working in a casino, or anything at all, ask away, and ill be more than happy to help in any way I can.



Well, the time is coming here in PA. Local casino is holding dealer-school "interviews." I have to arrange time off work and see if their school time fits my time so I can work while I am in "school." But since I truly feel we regret what we don't do more than what we have done, I am going to at least explore doing it.

Now that all of that is out of the way, here is my question to Croupier as well as anyone else here.

I am going to assume this is some kind of "audition" type interview even though few applicants know the procedures for security (show the pips, spread the chips, etc.) As I have discussed here I have dealt Monte Carlo Night BJ for 1.5 years or going on 100+ hours now. In this area I am very comfortable handling the shoe and paying out. Spend five minutes telling me the table rules and off I go. I try to give my players a "vegas experience" by spreading the chips for the (imaginary) camera to see so I am comfortable there.

Question are first, what else should I be doing/know to "get it right?" What is the right method to shuffle? How many riffs, etc. What do they look for in an audition? For Croupier and any other dealers out there, any favorite funny warm-up lines you use to players walking up?

And also, how do you handle the standing all day? (I might have asked that one before.)
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