odiousgambit
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July 1st, 2019 at 1:47:20 PM permalink
I think I'd like to have a bad beat pool for our home poker game. My idea so far is I collect money from everybody who wants to be in the pool, constructed so that the winner gets a pool equal to about a medium to large pot. Must get at least a situation where someone with a flush loses, wild card games excluded or separate pool if they want one.

And it occurs to me that it should affect a player's strategy. If it looks like you might lose a certain pot with a good hand, it surely pays to take more chances though if it is a good candidate for the bad beat pool, especially late in the game where the likely winning situation is known.

Is there any way to quantify this? Good poker players where the casino runs such a pool must also factor it in, no?
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July 1st, 2019 at 2:09:18 PM permalink
Getting a flush beat does not usually qualify for a bad beat bonus. In poker rooms that I have played in, you must get quads or better beat. That's probably too infrequent for a home game, but maybe getting a full house beat would do it.

Usually, when you have a full house or better, you are going to showdown anyway -so it does not affect strategy. If the bad beat bonus applies when a flush is beat, then that might affect strategy occasionally -because I have seen people lose with a flush:

Ex: five cards of the same suit come out as the common cards -making a flush on the board. One person has a high card of that suit, but the opponent, who doesn't have any suited cards sometimes will fold to a large bet. With a bad ebat bonus, they would certainly stay in until showdown.
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July 1st, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM permalink
Flush over flush is way to common in my opinion. Even for a home game. Might want to consider full house. Even then 2 shared full houses is pretty common.
I would probably go with full house but require player gets beat using both of their cards.
odiousgambit
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July 1st, 2019 at 3:31:19 PM permalink
well, you know, we'll get to make our own rules; bear in mind it will be not well received to suggest holding the pool over to the next game, we won't be sure to have the same players.

On the other hand, to award a straight for getting beaten doesn't appeal to me, so players would get their money back or vote to play a quick game for the pool [usually an openly displayed 7 card game]
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July 1st, 2019 at 3:41:31 PM permalink
I'd start with a queens full of anything full house then move it up if it gets cracked early. Both hole cards must play if you are playing hold em. It's okay to let the pot build, but maybe you put a "must award by" sunset date on it? You have to keep track of who is in for the bad beat pool. What if a bad beat pool member with a qualifying hand gets beat by a non-pool player? Or, what if someone puts in the first night, but misses the next 3 game nights, then shows up again and qualifies. Do they still collect?
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July 1st, 2019 at 3:43:18 PM permalink
Sounds like too much trouble, honestly.

Just a suggestion, but we run a high hand, awarded every two hours. $1 from every pot over $10 goes to the kitty. Whoever currently has the high hand is responsible for collecting it. Only have to use one card out of your hand, full house or better.

I've thought about doing some kind of bad beat or high hand progressive that carries over to the following game if not hit. The idea is to encourage attendance, as you don't want to "miss out" on the hit, especially if you've been paying into it. But we generally don't have a problem getting enough together for games so decided to just stick with high hands.
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July 1st, 2019 at 4:58:52 PM permalink
thanks for replying, guys

Quote: Ayecarumba

I'd start with a queens full of anything full house then move it up if it gets cracked early. Both hole cards must play if you are playing hold em. It's okay to let the pot build, but maybe you put a "must award by" sunset date on it? You have to keep track of who is in for the bad beat pool. What if a bad beat pool member with a qualifying hand gets beat by a non-pool player? Or, what if someone puts in the first night, but misses the next 3 game nights, then shows up again and qualifies. Do they still collect?

I think I'm going to want to start with a new pool each night.

To be clear, it should be "the best instance" for the evening that gets the pool, not the "first instance" of someone getting a bad beat. So a full house getting beat by a better full house [or higher] would trump the the guy who lost a flush to something, and this better bad beat should happen most nights.
Quote: Steverinos

Sounds like too much trouble, honestly.

Just a suggestion, but we run a high hand, awarded every two hours. $1 from every pot over $10 goes to the kitty. Whoever currently has the high hand is responsible for collecting it. Only have to use one card out of your hand, full house or better.

I've thought about doing some kind of bad beat or high hand progressive that carries over to the following game if not hit. The idea is to encourage attendance, as you don't want to "miss out" on the hit, especially if you've been paying into it. But we generally don't have a problem getting enough together for games so decided to just stick with high hands.

since this is clearly requiring laying out some definitions, I may find you are right, high hand for the evening may just be persuasive due to simplicity

PS: not sure how casinos hold these
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July 1st, 2019 at 5:15:43 PM permalink
Imo bad beats in home games are stupid. Only point of a bad beat is to get a large sum of money for getting beat with what should be a winning hand plus it brings people into the room. If you are not holding it over to the next night what's the pot going to be, $50?

Depending on the type of players you have you might actually lose a player or two for not wanting to contribute to it.
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July 1st, 2019 at 5:19:51 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

thanks for replying, guys

I think I'm going to want to start with a new pool each night.

To be clear, it should be "the best instance" for the evening that gets the pool, not the "first instance" of someone getting a bad beat. So a full house getting beat by a better full house [or higher] would trump the the guy who lost a flush to something, and this better bad beat should happen most nights.
since this is clearly requiring laying out some definitions, I may find you are right, high hand for the evening may just be persuasive due to simplicity

PS: not sure how casinos hold these



What about players that show up late? Do they get the full pot if they happen to qualify? Maybe there's a "vulture" opportunity?
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odiousgambit
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July 1st, 2019 at 6:17:38 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Imo bad beats in home games are stupid.

Thanks!
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Only point of a bad beat is to get a large sum of money for getting beat with what should be a winning hand plus it brings people into the room. If you are not holding it over to the next night what's the pot going to be, $50?

Our game is very, very low stakes, and it won't be even close at all to that. It's a piker thing, you wouldn't understand? LOL. Look, you've seen me bet at Craps, and though that is actually not worth mentioning, you probably got the idea that I wouldn't sit down at something where there's not some decent action. But it's not there at this game. Believe it or not, one adjusts to this, or I should say a guy *can* adjust to it. A lot of things are missing, though, in particular there's not enough pain to prevent people calling your hands too frequently ... I could go on.

Quote: Ayecarumba

What about players that show up late? Do they get the full pot if they happen to qualify? Maybe there's a "vulture" opportunity?

We'll just hold a vote with the players in the pool to determine if it is early enough to let another player in

this is a friendly game, guys
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