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onenickelmiracle
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August 9th, 2018 at 11:24:28 AM permalink
As much as I intend to only AP gamble, I don't always gamble AP and don't always gamble negative expectation at the lowest edge or lowest expected loss.
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August 9th, 2018 at 1:00:43 PM permalink
I have never hit an atm needing more money. I gamble with the money that I brought.

However, I have hit 4 aces and been up 500 with a plan on leaving when I am still up 250 and gambled beyond that and left even or down for the day. Have done that a time or to.
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August 9th, 2018 at 1:05:57 PM permalink
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August 9th, 2018 at 1:16:03 PM permalink
I voted no
My last trip to Vegas, I barely gambled
Sometimes, to break a 20 for tip money
I simply put my 20 into a slot machine, make one bet, lose, get a 19 bucks back in tkt and cash out at a machine for tip cash.
That was it for my gambling. Now I have tip money for food. I eat exclusively at CET restaurants using points I earned on my CET Visa
Had the steak at Guy Fieri's place on the strip. It was over priced but the only thing I had to pay was the tip
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August 9th, 2018 at 1:20:55 PM permalink
Back in my pre Enlighten gambling years I always tapped the ATM or drove back to my house to get more money. This is when I didn't understand discipline and utilizing the word off and most importantly not expecting huge scores every time. Now I play high probability, hit and run with small victories.. On occasion go for the gusto which rarely work out. But never bring an ATM and never risk more than my initial stack.
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August 9th, 2018 at 2:33:06 PM permalink
I regularly gamble more than I anticipated. I seem to underestimate the bankroll size required to play off many promotions. No big deal, I just go to the bank, ATM, or cashier and get more. It is probably safer that way too so I am not carrying so much cash at once.
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August 9th, 2018 at 2:40:33 PM permalink
“Ever” is a pretty strong word. I’m sure that I’ve done it at least once over the years.

But I voted no. As a recreational player, knowledge of the game and discipline are the only tools at my disposal, and giving up either of those makes it no longer recreation.
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August 9th, 2018 at 3:15:14 PM permalink
I did in my younger days, but I now live by the "set a win goal and a loss limit" mantra.

Especially after losing money to get comped a stupid fishing pole ($10 value) in a players' club promotion.
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August 9th, 2018 at 4:11:20 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I voted no
My last trip to Vegas, I barely gambled
Sometimes, to break a 20 for tip money
I simply put my 20 into a slot machine, make one bet, lose, get a 19 bucks back in tkt and cash out at a machine for tip cash.
That was it for my gambling. Now I have tip money for food. I eat exclusively at CET restaurants using points I earned on my CET Visa
Had the steak at Guy Fieri's place on the strip. It was over priced but the only thing I had to pay was the tip



Just shove the $20 into the kiosk and it will spit out four $5's. Shove in a $5 and it will spit out five $1's. It's free.
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August 9th, 2018 at 4:18:52 PM permalink
Last night,I came across an old Outback Jack machine at Sam's Town. I'd just seen a comped show and dinner, so I tossed forty dollars into it. Lost it in about ten minutes and was going to leave but had one of those feelings and put in another $20. A couple minutes go by and my total losses are down to $36. Random bonus pops and after a few puzzling screens it says I won the minor jackpot of $38.02.
Had I stuck to my original plan, I'd have walked out a $40 loser. Lack of discipline reversed that.
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August 9th, 2018 at 4:52:43 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Now I play high probability, hit and run with small victories..




Really?

You shoot craps, a negative expectation game: please explain the math / calculations of your "high probability."

Dream on.

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August 9th, 2018 at 5:31:03 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Really?

You shoot craps, a negative expectation game: please explain the math / calculations of your "high probability."

Dream on.

Some say an active fantasy life is good for the spirit; not me though, I call it delusion.



Miss V, irrespective of the verbiage that is implicated in your matter of speech hereby transcribes and denotates a more intruit likelihood of you common demeanor as you so pose. Whereby you inevicably and surreptitiously misconcepted what I was incinerating. High probability in an otherwise negatively vs positively variable circumstance, I undisputedly choose the ladder.

Now , you 2 may minds yous owns bees n wax.
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August 9th, 2018 at 5:58:44 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

Just shove the $20 into the kiosk and it will spit out four $5's. Shove in a $5 and it will spit out five $1's. It's free.


Lol
I had no idea
I used to wait in line at the cashier
Thanks :-)
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August 9th, 2018 at 6:02:08 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Miss V, irrespective of the verbiage that is implicated in your matter of speech hereby transcribes and denotates a more intruit likelihood of you common demeanor as you so pose. Whereby you inevicably and surreptitiously misconcepted what I was incinerating. High probability in an otherwise negatively vs positively variable circumstance, I undisputedly choose the ladder.

Now , you 2 may minds yous owns bees n wax.

Ricky, I didn't know you were out of prison?
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August 9th, 2018 at 6:47:57 PM permalink
More doesn't have to be monetary, what about time?
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August 9th, 2018 at 6:48:52 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Ricky, I didn't know you were out of prison?



Yeaaa boyeee! And I is fixin to finds me some freshness meats. I heres there a fool in heres call Misses Venereal that needs to come pay a visit to Daddy Ricky. It been a long time I busted up some old crepey escargot!
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August 9th, 2018 at 7:26:25 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Yeaaa boyeee! And I is fixin to finds me some freshness meats. I heres there a fool in heres call Misses Venereal that needs to come pay a visit to Daddy Ricky. It been a long time I busted up some old crepey escargot!



Well thats just racist...
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August 9th, 2018 at 10:47:36 PM permalink
Usually have a set number of coin in or win/loss

Rarely play more than needed. Usually less or none if the promotion is not as good as I thought or they cancel it
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August 10th, 2018 at 6:20:11 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Miss V, irrespective of the verbiage that is implicated in your matter of speech hereby transcribes and denotates a more intruit likelihood of you common demeanor as you so pose. Whereby you inevicably and surreptitiously misconcepted what I was incinerating. High probability in an otherwise negatively vs positively variable circumstance, I undisputedly choose the ladder.

Now , you 2 may minds yous owns bees n wax.




Quote: WatchMeWin

Yeaaa boyeee! And I is fixin to finds me some freshness meats. I heres there a fool in heres call Misses Venereal that needs to come pay a visit to Daddy Ricky. It been a long time I busted up some old crepey escargot!



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August 10th, 2018 at 9:11:14 AM permalink
Much more commonly back in the day when I was younger. On my first trip to Vegas where I actually gambled, I brought $300 in cash to gamble with. Lost it all playing blackjack VERY poorly. I hit up the super-high-fee ATMs in the casinos 3 times for $100 each time (I don't even remember the fees, probably about $5 a pop). Down to my last $100 and I switched to craps where I actually knew the "correct" strategy thanks to googling and finding WoO on my phone (correct meaning lowest HE) and made a stunning comeback, back to even and then up about $60 for the trip. LOL, those were the days when I could get off with so little money in play.

On my last trip to Vegas I thought I bought about $15k but just checked my records and it was actually only $8k. Played off a bunch of ACG/LVA coupons in addition to counting at mid stakes ($25-$300 roughly), but after taking a beating at the Bally's high-limit game ($25 min for a S17 game) I only played -EV for the rest of the trip. So in that case I did gamble more at -EV games than I had planned, and at higher stakes as well. It's a tough line to walk when you bring X amount of money with the plans to play it on +EV games. Then the mental stress of counting (and losing sometimes) wears you down, and you still want to have fun and you have this big pile of cash that is supposed to go toward +EV games...oh well. I didn't lose the farm, and it was still a winning trip overall. Just checking my records and my memory is all off, despite that big loss at Bally's, I made $4,575.00 profit counting, and lost $1,319.00 at craps.

Now I'm lame, live across the country, daughter and wife who just left her job to stay home with the kiddo. No bankroll to speak of (lots of free cash flow, but invested in the stock market). Some day I will make my comeback to Vegas, probably when I'm retired in about 10 years, but I may never aspire to AP again and just focus on enjoyable games with reasonable edges. May need to open up a HELOC to fund my bankroll though!
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August 10th, 2018 at 10:15:27 AM permalink
Nope.

I bring a small bankroll to gamble with, and once it's gone, I'm done for that session. I may hang around watching others for a while, but I have never gone to the ATM for more money. If I'm lucky enough to be up (or even!) after an hour or so, I'll walk away. More than once have I thought to myself, I'm only down $15, so I'll stick around for one more shoe and see if I can get back to even. More often than not, I walk away down even more than before the shoe started.
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August 10th, 2018 at 12:30:04 PM permalink
Nope. Gambling is not the least bit addictive to me.

If I lost my bankroll for that trip, I'm a slightly pissed off and don't want anything to do with it.
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August 10th, 2018 at 6:08:12 PM permalink
Hmmm, Watchmewin went on tilt when I asked him to back up his brag with some sort of objective proof.

The notion that he'd be able to demonstrate that he does play craps with a "high probability" of an advantage is just, I don't know: "precious?"

I can't wait for the week to pass, as I am certain he'll use the time to construct an airtight proof.

*ahem*
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August 10th, 2018 at 6:26:11 PM permalink
It used to be no.

If the casino was local, I would never goto the ATM.

If I had to fly (ie: Vegas) then I would withdraw from the local branch of my bank out there.
I don't like flying with so much cash.

Anyway,
Then I got a bank acct that reimburses me for ATM fees.
And discipline went out the window a couple of times. :(
Thinking of not carrying that ATM card anymore
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August 14th, 2018 at 8:07:31 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

It used to be no.

If the casino was local, I would never goto the ATM.

If I had to fly (ie: Vegas) then I would withdraw from the local branch of my bank out there.
I don't like flying with so much cash.

Anyway,
Then I got a bank acct that reimburses me for ATM fees.
And discipline went out the window a couple of times. :(
Thinking of not carrying that ATM card anymore

I'd think many people carrying a lot of money in case of need for AP, have thoughts that a no ATM fee account would alleviate the waste of money. The delay between redepositing and availability may scare some from ever depositing, and it winds up wasted.
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August 14th, 2018 at 8:14:45 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Last night,I came across an old Outback Jack machine at Sam's Town. I'd just seen a comped show and dinner, so I tossed forty dollars into it. Lost it in about ten minutes and was going to leave but had one of those feelings and put in another $20. A couple minutes go by and my total losses are down to $36. Random bonus pops and after a few puzzling screens it says I won the minor jackpot of $38.02.
Had I stuck to my original plan, I'd have walked out a $40 loser. Lack of discipline reversed that.

You should have not played that machine, I play it sometimes just because I have always wanted to hit the major just one time in my life, though it's about 3 times a year I play anymore, because I'm not really satisfied with the base returns locally. It would be truthfully just be cheaper to buy(or steal lol) one of those machines. Every time I play OBJ, I consider it playing more than I had planned, because I doubt they're ever AP because I just don't know when they are.
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August 14th, 2018 at 1:05:50 PM permalink
I remembered this game as having a fun bonus round and played it for old times sale. Whenever I get House Seats, I try to spend a bit. I didn't enjoy this game and won't play it again. I had not seen it in years, but I don't spend much time looking either.
In the bonus round, is the only choice the major or the minor? Nothing else?
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August 14th, 2018 at 5:48:43 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I'd think many people carrying a lot of money in case of need for AP, have thoughts that a no ATM fee account would alleviate the waste of money. The delay between redepositing and availability may scare some from ever depositing, and it winds up wasted.



I've never liked the idea of being charged high ATM Casino fees($4 for the ATM and $3 from your bank for using a non bank fee) for taking out your own money. Especially when there is a Chase bank right up the street from Gulfstream Park! If you are a Chase Customer there is literally no good reason for not walking right up the street and withdrawing your money for free. And it was beyond disgusting that there was a gas station that charged $6 ATM fees! $6 is expensive for a Casino, what is a normal gas station doing charging a $6 fee? No, just no.
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August 14th, 2018 at 6:19:37 PM permalink
Sometimes people leave their receipt there after making a withdrawal from the ATM machine and it's funny to see stuff like:

Withdrawal amount: $40
Fee: $7.99
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August 14th, 2018 at 6:43:11 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Sometimes people leave their receipt there after making a withdrawal from the ATM machine and it's funny to see stuff like:

Withdrawal amount: $40
Fee: $7.99

Which they wouldn't care about if the fees were paid for by their bank.
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August 14th, 2018 at 10:38:50 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Sometimes people leave their receipt there after making a withdrawal from the ATM machine and it's funny to see stuff like:

Withdrawal amount: $40
Fee: $7.99



More disgusting and disturbing than funny. Why should you pay almost $8 to withdraw your own money?
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August 15th, 2018 at 1:02:13 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

More disgusting and disturbing than funny. Why should you pay almost $8 to withdraw your own money?

They probably needed to buy lottery tickets.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 20th, 2018 at 5:08:56 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

They probably needed to buy lottery tickets.



LMAO! :D
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August 20th, 2018 at 5:58:05 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

They probably needed to buy lottery tickets.



What’s sad is, sometimes the receipts have available balance on it, and people have less than $100. It’s very clear they should not be anywhere near a casino, yet they are gambling their rent/food/gas money.
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August 20th, 2018 at 11:50:52 AM permalink
Speaking of gambling more than you intended and lottery tickets, one day a poor old lady thought she was at change machine at the casino and accidentally put a hundred dollar bill into the lottery machine. Ideally she was probably forced to spend it, but maybe she got her money back somehow.
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August 20th, 2018 at 1:53:28 PM permalink
'Do you ever gamble more than you had planned?'

help. I've lost my self-discipline and cant get up (from the slot/vp machine)
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August 21st, 2018 at 10:36:35 PM permalink
Truthfully, I have noticed I only misbehave when I'm not in good shape. Usually if I'm exhausted, starving, those are the times take a lot of risk. These type of things are things that actually effectively lower your IQ. Have a tendency to not eat enough smoke too much and wear myself out. Drinking alcohol doesn't even affect me unless I don't drink enough.
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September 3rd, 2018 at 11:25:53 PM permalink
I tried the double up feature on quads on a $2 machine and won!
$500 -> $1000! wahoo!!!

now note to myself: 'NEVER try that again!
in fact, never try the double up feature ever again!'

D I S C I P L I N E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 4th, 2018 at 3:17:47 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

I tried the double up feature on quads on a $2 machine and won!
$500 -> $1000! wahoo!!!

now note to myself: 'NEVER try that again!
in fact, never try the double up feature ever again!'


D I S C I P L I N E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People keep saying I always say that. Getting better.
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September 4th, 2018 at 4:20:35 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

I tried the double up feature on quads on a $2 machine and won!
$500 -> $1000! wahoo!!!

now note to myself: 'NEVER try that again!
in fact, never try the double up feature ever again!'

D I S C I P L I N E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless the game is +EV off the top there is no real reason not to use the double up.

I know it's not the same but in a sense, it's like taking odds on craps.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:22:50 AM permalink
What most people don't get, or even think about, is they are ATM's with a vengeance. First, the rake off a fee from you just for the pleasure of using your own money. Then, your bank takes another fee if it's not an ATM assigned to their branch. Third, it's not uncommon for the fee to be higher than normal so that they can pay the casino for a placement fee. Last off all, the ATM records and provides the information to the casino's marketing department so they know who the real degenerates are and send them offers.
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:42:43 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Unless the game is +EV off the top there is no real reason not to use the double up.

I know it's not the same but in a sense, it's like taking odds on craps.


but you don't get points towards your rewards card tier level by using the double up. :(

else I would keep doubling up till I hit as close to $1199 as possible!
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September 4th, 2018 at 12:17:01 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

I tried the double up feature on quads on a $2 machine and won!
$500 -> $1000! wahoo!!!

now note to myself: 'NEVER try that again!
in fact, never try the double up feature ever again!'

D I S C I P L I N E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless the game is +EV off the top there is no real reason not to use the double up.

I know it's not the same, but in a sense, it's like taking odds on craps.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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