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777
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July 21st, 2017 at 8:29:05 AM permalink
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July 21st, 2017 at 8:29:05 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Mission,

True. We no longer call it "slave" labor.

However, about 20 percent of American workers are now in jobs that require employees to sign "non-compete" clauses. Perhaps this makes (some) sense if you are an engineer at Tesla or a senior data guru at Amazon. But, we're seeing it in companies like the Jimmy-John sandwich company (unless they recently stopped the practice). For example, if you work in one fast-food restaurant and leave, you cannot get another job in the fast-food restaurant business.

In this article, noted commentator Thom Hartmann explains how corporations want to make sure workers can never again have any say in how they are treated:

A 21st-Century Form of Indentured Servitude Has Already Penetrated Deep into the American Heartland.

Don't get me wrong. I believe companies have a right to protect corporate secrets, some of which may be revealed to its employees on a need-to-know basis. And, those employees should be required to agree to any reasonable non-disclosure agreement as part of their employment. As a consultant, I had to do this on numerous occasions, and I always kept the company's secret information from anyone, and especially from any possible competitor.

However, I once worked (briefly) for a company that had the confidentiality agreement to end all confidentiality agreements. It basically said, anything I created while in their employ, they owned. And, if there were exceptions, I was required to list them on the form. For example, you might be an expert in antique license plates and would write articles from time to time in the Crank and Putt Antique Car Journal. Then, the company would say, "OK, we claim no ownership of that." But, perish the thought that you ever developed expertise in gaming strategies and wrote a book, even though the company itself marketed personnel services and benefits.

The Supreme Court sez corporations are "people" in the eyes of the law. But, they are not people like most non-corporate people -- moms and dads and families of every sort -- because corporations have only one purpose: to generate as much money as possible for their shareholders. No morality there (unless the company believes it can leverage sales from it). Most real people have a more embracing view of their moral responsibility, for example, by treating others as they themselves would wish to be treated.




This thread started out as a discussion about tipping. It has then morphed into a corporate moral/social responsibility discussion, and now the discussion is on non-disclosure & non-competitive agreement. Such transformation of discussion is all good and is unavoidable when participants provide rich ideas and wide variety of opinions.

Non-disclosure & non-competitive agreement is useful tool to protect trade secret and competition advantage, but such agreement can be unconstitutional, or violates certain statutory law or regulation (such as labor laws???, antitrust legislation Ö), and therefore may not be enforceable.

I notice the discussion on non-disclosure & non-competitive agreement lacks real life example or current event example. So let me offer few examples Ė (1) the recent Uber vs. Google self-driving car lawsuit, (2) the recent EU Regulator vs. Teva dispute over generic drug deal, and (3) the on-going controversy surrounding the U.S. Constitutionís Emoluments Clause vs. the rapist, racist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trump. I hope my contribution to this discussion can benefit everybody.

Items (1) and (2) have non-disclosure and non-competitive elements, and you can find the detailed discussions from the following links.

https://www.google.com/search?q=morphed+definition&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS748US748&oq=morphed+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.8966j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=uber+google+self+driving+car+lawsuit

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-regulators-charge-teva-over-103840663.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=antitrust+legislation&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS748US748&oq=anti-trust&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.6545j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=EU+regulators+vs.+teva+pay-for-delay+drug+deal

I know everyone is asking what does the rapist, racist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trumpís apparent violation of the U.S. Constitutionís Emoluments Clause have anything to do with the non-disclosure and non-competitive discussion here? Before I answer your question, letís first look at numerous rich discussions about U.S. Constitutionís Emoluments Clause vs. the rapist, racist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trump.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+emulsion+clause&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS748US748&oq=trump+emulsion+clause&aqs=chrome..69i57.26537j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Now, in order to address your inquiring mind, letís assume a potential non-disclosure and non-competitive agreement if the rapist, racist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trump is decreed by the Federal Court or SCOTUS to sell his properties. Because Trump has history bad reputations in business practices and dealings and he also lacks the moral values, should the buyer(s) of Trump's hotel & condom (sp?) properties and other businesses then demand a very broad non-compete agreement that bars Trump from engaging in ALL real estate dealings for 4 years, 10 years, or a life-time? And would such agreement violate any antitrust or other legislation?
LuckyPhow
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July 21st, 2017 at 2:29:51 PM permalink
Quote: 777

I hope my contribution to this discussion can benefit everybody. ... Now, in order to address your inquiring mind, letís assume a potential non-disclosure and non-competitive agreement if the rapist, racist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trump is decreed by the Federal Court or SCOTUS to sell his properties. Because Trump has history bad reputations ... should the buyer(s) of Trump's hotel & condom (sp?) properties and other businesses then demand a very broad non-compete agreement that bars Trump from engaging in ALL real estate dealings for 4 years, 10 years, or a life-time? And would such agreement violate any antitrust or other legislation?



777,

I thought your references to Uber were spot on, highlighting a high-level employee with access to proprietary information going to work for a direct competitor. The reference to Teva seemed more a stretch because it involved two companies fighting with one another.

As to your reference to President pussy-grabber and his high-handed refusal to adhere to requirements in the emoluments clause, I'm sure we've all seen legal "experts" arguing both sides of the issue. Seems to me SCOTUS might uphold a lower court that found non-compliance, but IMHO it wouldn't try to involve itself in overseeing him selling his properties.

I think SCOTUS would be limited in saying only that he's in violation and that Congress should take him out to the woodshed for a little impeachment. But, if that happened, Congress would just ignore SCOTUS. The president would announce victory to his minions and continue as before. Since SCOTUS probably knows this already, it wouldn't allow itself to be put in this position.

I haven't seen Trump's taxes (like he promised). But, I believe the president owns no property personally. He owns stock in companies that own property. So, the non-compete -- if implemented as you suggest it might -- gets enormously more complex. Too much for me on a Friday afternoon. Maybe a WoV legal beagle will take a shot at it.
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July 21st, 2017 at 5:44:43 PM permalink
So funny that this conversation has been going on. So today we go to local casino for buffet. We get to the seat and the hostess tells us to go get grub. We get back and our drinks are on the table. We each finished our plates and went for a 2nd plate. We finished those plates and got dessert. As we were getting dessert someone took our plates. Drinks were both basically empty. We finished our dessert and left. We never saw anyone in our section and got no refills on drinks. How much of a tip wouLD you leave? Cost for 2 is $40, but we paid $0 on a comp.

we left no tip. I mentioned earlier in this thread that if you leave no tip then you should get manager and conplain. I did not do that because we were not mad about the no service and I was ok with not tipping so no need to make a complaint.
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July 21st, 2017 at 5:57:31 PM permalink
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So funny that this conversation has been going on. So today we go to local casino for buffet. We get to the seat and the hostess tells us to go get grub. We get back and our drinks are on the table. We each finished our plates and went for a 2nd plate. We finished those plates and got dessert. As we were getting dessert someone took our plates. Drinks were both basically empty. We finished our dessert and left. We never saw anyone in our section and got no refills on drinks. How much of a tip wouLD you leave? Cost for 2 is $40, but we paid $0 on a comp.

we left no tip. I mentioned earlier in this thread that if you leave no tip then you should get manager and conplain. I did not do that because we were not mad about the no service and I was ok with not tipping so no need to make a complaint.


I think $2/person is about the lowest I would tip at a buffet, comp'd or not. I usually tip at least $5.
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July 21st, 2017 at 6:11:03 PM permalink
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Quote: GWAE

So funny that this conversation has been going on. So today we go to local casino for buffet. We get to the seat and the hostess tells us to go get grub. We get back and our drinks are on the table. We each finished our plates and went for a 2nd plate. We finished those plates and got dessert. As we were getting dessert someone took our plates. Drinks were both basically empty. We finished our dessert and left. We never saw anyone in our section and got no refills on drinks. How much of a tip wouLD you leave? Cost for 2 is $40, but we paid $0 on a comp.

we left no tip. I mentioned earlier in this thread that if you leave no tip then you should get manager and conplain. I did not do that because we were not mad about the no service and I was ok with not tipping so no need to make a complaint.


I think $2/person is about the lowest I would tip at a buffet, comp'd or not. I usually tip at least $5.



I usually tip $5 for the 2 of us.
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July 21st, 2017 at 7:31:22 PM permalink
I'd have left a dollar, someone bought you drinks and took your empties. No refills would aggravate me. I generally ask for two glasses at the start.
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July 21st, 2017 at 10:49:06 PM permalink
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Quote: GWAE

So funny that this conversation has been going on. So today we go to local casino for buffet. We get to the seat and the hostess tells us to go get grub. We get back and our drinks are on the table. We each finished our plates and went for a 2nd plate. We finished those plates and got dessert. As we were getting dessert someone took our plates. Drinks were both basically empty. We finished our dessert and left. We never saw anyone in our section and got no refills on drinks. How much of a tip wouLD you leave? Cost for 2 is $40, but we paid $0 on a comp.

we left no tip. I mentioned earlier in this thread that if you leave no tip then you should get manager and conplain. I did not do that because we were not mad about the no service and I was ok with not tipping so no need to make a complaint.


I think $2/person is about the lowest I would tip at a buffet, comp'd or not. I usually tip at least $5.



I usually tip $5 for the 2 of us.


What, you tip $5 for the both of you....then you're good to go and don't need to tip on your next 4 visits? I mean, if that works for you -- great. I'd rather just tip $1 every time that way I don't have to remember if I'm supposed to tip $5 this time or if it's one of the free 4 visits.
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July 28th, 2017 at 8:30:24 AM permalink
Speaking of NDA, yesterday CBS news report a story about confidentiality agreement that employees of racist, rapist, sexist, scam-artist, and con-man Trump and his family must sign. According to the news story, the agreement lasts forever and is retroactive.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-organization-new-confidentiality-agreement-employees-family-secret/

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/donald-trump-conflicts-of-interests/508382/

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