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Quote: RSBut it's Bob's comp.
So Bob can't order food for both of them and have his comp applied to the whole bill?
Quote: billryanIf I invited someone to a buffet and the person attempted to leave a dollar per person tip, it would be the last time they joined me.
Stuck in the fifties, are we?
Whenever I invited my father to a buffet he would offer to leave the tip and it was usually $2 for a group of 4 or 5. I always had to try to discretely add more to it without him noticing.
Quote: WizardWhenever I invited my father to a buffet he would offer to leave the tip and it was usually $2 for a group of 4 or 5. I always had to try to discretely add more to it without him noticing.
Nof with my parents, but this is the story of my life.
Quote: WizardWhenever I invited my father to a buffet he would offer to leave the tip and it was usually $2 for a group of 4 or 5. I always had to try to discretely add more to it without him noticing.
I suppose I'd make an exception for family.
Several years back, one of my bartenders scored a table for four at one of the more exclusive places. His girlfriend was drop dead gorgeous and he asked me if I would like to take her sister and make it a foursome. I'd never met her, but seen photos of her in a beauty contest in her native Colombia.
We met up and had a nice time. Problem was my bartender ordered a $90 bottle of wine, which only he and my date drank. Just as the meal was ending, he asked her if they should order another and she said yes. I'd been thrilled having a nice lunch but now got stuck with splitting $180 in wine for something I never touched. I paid half the bill but later gave him a very loud piece of my mind.
My date got pretty drunk at lunch.
I try to avoid having drunks as friends, especially drunken women so as beautiful as she was, and she was, I never saw again socially.
I'm fairly sure she got over it pretty quick.
I'm not tipping $5 a person at a god damn buffet.Quote: billryanLess than a $5 tip and the person better have a magnetic personality .
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not tipping $5 a person at a god damn buffet.
R.I.F.
Quote: billryanI'd been thrilled having a nice lunch but now got stuck with splitting $180 in wine for something I never touched.
If somebody asked me to split a $180 tab for wine I never drank I would laugh in their face right at the table and tell them pound sand.
I just laugh at people who pay too much for a bottle of wine and then pretend its really good.Quote: TigerWuIf somebody asked me to split a $180 tab for wine I never drank I would laugh in their face right at the table and tell them pound sand.
Quote: GWAE
What about the Mirage buffet, you have to get your own drinks there? Does the waitress deserve any tip? They are basically just a busboy there.
Yes, but I usually give them a dollar less for the two of us. Buffet servers at Disney hate us. They always suggest to leave 18% at all restaurants even at buffets. We never are going to leave 18% of a $35-$55/person buffet. I bet some people do though...
Quote: WizardWhenever I invited my father to a buffet he would offer to leave the tip and it was usually $2 for a group of 4 or 5. I always had to try to discretely add more to it without him noticing.
I have this issue with my girlfriend's mother sometimes. Just because when she was a hairdresser in 1980 and 50c was a good tip for them back then, doesn't mean it's a good tip now. I would actually think 50c for a hairdresser nowadays would be more insulting than neglecting to tip at all.
Quote: billryanR.I.F.
You're overly generous but if you got it, why not? More than once, a high tier card holder has cut in front of me in line at a buffet when I'm next to be waited on. Standing there, trying not to think bad thoughts in my head about the person, the cashier informs me that the person has used their comp to buy my buffet. Random acts of kindness like that, especially in sin city, really warms the heart.
Quote: TigerWuIf somebody asked me to split a $180 tab for wine I never drank I would laugh in their face right at the table and tell them pound sand.
I've told this story before so please forgive me. A friend of mine was a pretty high roller at the Wynn and his host invited him and a guest (me) to a nice dinner. The host made it clear to my friend that he would comp the dinner and my friend would just have to get the tip. My friend relayed this to me, so we agreed to split the tip before the dinner.
When it comes time to order wine, I defer to the host, who seems to know wines better than me. He said, "How about a blah blah blah." I replied something like, "You're the expert at this table." Only me and the host drank the wine.
When it comes time to pay the tip I look at the check and see this guy ordered a $1,000 bottle of wine! I had absolutely no idea. It tasted no better than a $40 bottle I can get at Total Wine & More. My friend then sees the check and says he will pay half the tip on the food but he didn't have any wine so didn't feel obligated to tip on that. To be honest, he had a good point. At this point I said "I don't think the rules of etiquette say you have to tip the whole way on a $1,000 bottle of wine." To this, the host replied, with more than a hint of attitude, "Well, just tip 10% on the wine then." So I did.
In telling this story, I've been told the host ordered such an expensive bottle so his friends in the waitstaff would get a bigger tip.
Quote: WizardAt this point I said "I don't think the rules of etiquette say you have to tip the whole way on a $1,000 bottle of wine." To this, the host replied, with more than a hint of attitude, "Well, just tip 10% on the wine then." So I did.
Me: "How about this: I had two glasses out of that bottle of wine. When I go to a bar, I usually tip $1 per drink. So you're getting a $2 tip on that bottle of wine."
Just kidding... I don't think I have the balls to do something like that. I agree with you that the standard rules of etiquette shouldn't apply here. ESPECIALLY if the host more or less surprised you with the cost after the fact. It that situation I probably just would have peed in my pants a little at the $1,000 price tag, dropped a $20 bill on the table, and got the hell out of there as fast as I could while everyone was giving me dirty looks. Screw 'em for trying to trick me.
Quote: WizardAs you would expect, people who worked in the restaurant business basically said, "If you can afford the wine, you can afford to tip the whole way."
That's a BS argument, if you ask me. You don't tip based on what you can "afford," you tip based on service. The service and effort put into serving a bottle of wine is a fraction of the service and effort put into preparing and serving a multi-course meal. Yeah, if I can afford a $1,000 bottle of wine, I can certainly afford a $200 tip. But what did you do to EARN that $200? Waving a cork under my nose and using the "guest glasses" is not worth $200.
I don't buy the "ceremony" argument, either. I've been in nice restaurants, gotten a $40 bottle of wine, and they did the whole pomp and circumstance -- examining the label, passing around the cork, pouring a sample/tasting glass, decanting into a separate bottle, etc.... what else do they do for $1,000 bottle??
Anyway, like I know what I'm talking about when it comes to wine.... haha... it all tastes like sour grape juice to me.
Quote: TigerWuIf somebody asked me to split a $180 tab for wine I never drank I would laugh in their face right at the table and tell them pound sand.
My date drank much of it. I'm responsible for her, no?
Quote: billryanMy date drank much of it. I'm responsible for her, no?
Okay, I had to go back and re-read the details.
I don't know. It sounds like a lose-lose situation. From an etiquette standpoint I suppose you should be responsible for her, but it also sounds like she was taking advantage of you.
Quote: RogerKintYou're overly generous but if you got it, why not? More than once, a high tier card holder has cut in front of me in line at a buffet when I'm next to be waited on. Standing there, trying not to think bad thoughts in my head about the person, the cashier informs me that the person has used their comp to buy my buffet. Random acts of kindness like that, especially in sin city, really warms the heart.
This works both ways... I have top cards all over town. I am always in the special line but many times the cashier waves the regular line ahead of me. At times it will happen a few times before they notice me. Some of these rubes rush the cashier not realizing I'm in the VIP line. I get steaming over it. Not one time has the regular line ever paid for my buffet. Don't they know that I have the highest card in the joint and have put a few 100k of coin in this month down 10k in cash? This depends on what Buffet though since some are set up with better VIP lines. I think why the F do I have this top card... it doesn't do sh-t for me... SOBs cutting in front of me all the time lol!!
I have one really useless top card that takes about 1mil coin in to get. I can't use it to jack hardly any lines. I don't think many people have it... it really is difficult to obtain. This card is really useless but the mail is unreal so it evens out.
Quote: TigerWuOkay, I had to go back and re-read the details.
I don't know. It sounds like a lose-lose situation. From an etiquette standpoint I suppose you should be responsible for her, but it also sounds like she was taking advantage of you.
I'm not sure she was aware of the prices and pretty sure she was simply used to men falling all over her. I put 100% of the blame on him.
Quote: WizardI've told this story before so please forgive me. A friend of mine was a pretty high roller at the Wynn and his host invited him and a guest (me) to a nice dinner. The host made it clear to my friend that he would comp the dinner and my friend would just have to get the tip. My friend relayed this to me, so we agreed to split the tip before the dinner.
When it comes time to order wine, I defer to the host, who seems to know wines better than me. He said, "How about a blah blah blah." I replied something like, "You're the expert at this table." Only me and the host drank the wine.
When it comes time to pay the tip I look at the check and see this guy ordered a $1,000 bottle of wine! I had absolutely no idea. It tasted no better than a $40 bottle I can get at Total Wine & More. My friend then sees the check and says he will pay half the tip on the food but he didn't have any wine so didn't feel obligated to tip on that. To be honest, he had a good point. At this point I said "I don't think the rules of etiquette say you have to tip the whole way on a $1,000 bottle of wine." To this, the host replied, with more than a hint of attitude, "Well, just tip 10% on the wine then." So I did.
In telling this story, I've been told the host ordered such an expensive bottle so his friends in the waitstaff would get a bigger tip.
I would have tipped zero. That was extortion and should not be tolerated.
Quote: ZenKinGIm done tipping. Never leaving another tip again. Ill start the trend. Be the change you want to see in the world. Theres no reason for anyone to have to leave a tip, it's not our responsibility to pay the businesses workers. Stop being enslaved to some ridiculous society notion and then have people making you feel guilty if you dont leave something. Throw the guilt into the trashcan, you did nothing wrong, the only guilty people are the owners of these restaurants or whatever service being offered. I dont know who started this tipping nonsense centuries ago, but it's one big scam. Sick of these businesses milking the system(society) to not pay their workers.
The path your on is getting darker and darker. I know because I'm on the same road just many miles ahead of you. Turn back now while you still can see some light because it seems once you get further ahead you only get lost in this never ending maze and no chance of any light to find your way out. If you don't believe me just keep walking forward into the darkness losing bits and pieces of your own soul till it's completely gone.
It never does.Quote: WizardIt tasted no better than a $40 bottle I can get at Total Wine & More.
You just admitted to what I was saying before.
Quote: ZenKinGIm done tipping. Never leaving another tip again. Ill start the trend. Be the change you want to see in the world. Theres no reason for anyone to have to leave a tip, it's not our responsibility to pay the businesses workers. Stop being enslaved to some ridiculous society notion and then have people making you feel guilty if you dont leave something. Throw the guilt into the trashcan, you did nothing wrong, the only guilty people are the owners of these restaurants or whatever service being offered. I dont know who started this tipping nonsense centuries ago, but it's one big scam. Sick of these businesses milking the system(society) to not pay their workers.
Or tipping can go away over time but the costs will be passed on to the customer either way.The money isn't magically coming from the owners to make up the difference. So you just take your little stand, change the world and while it's happening, f the hard working employees who just served you. But you proved a point, that's fair. Take out the frustration that you are being cheated at the casinos on the workers.
Be the change!
Quote: AxelWolfIt never does.
You just admitted to what I was saying before.
I was going to say the same thing, the part about Wizard admitting it was no better than a $1k bottle.
As far as whether a $1k bottle and a $40 bottle have (significant) differences, I don't really know. My guess is, all things being equal, you can probably tell the difference, if you're a wine person. But if you're not a wine person, you probably can't tell the difference. I'm not a wine person, so IDGAF.
It'd be like a non-smoker having a nasty disgusting menthol cigarette and also trying a deliciously exquisite Kamel Red. A noob isn't going to be able to tell the difference. But a true smoker will notice the menthol is nasty and how delightful Kamel Reds are.
For the record, I haven't smoked a cigarette in 2-3 years.....last time I smoked a Kamel Red was at least 5 years ago, perhaps even 7 years ago. But every now and then, I still get a craving for them. They're that good. (But if I had one now, I probably wouldn't like it anymore.)
A certain portion of people there invested an incredible amount of energy coming up with all of this convoluted reasoning to engage in behavior that was either selfish or self destructive or both. You'll hear it else where, though ZK is the first person outside of the ghetto I've ever heard suggest that dealers should tip players when they lose, unable or unwilling to comprehend the distinction between paying someone for working and paying someone for breathing (Actually, there's an odd parallel between ZK and a lifetime welfare recipient, but that's another story).
People there, called "shoe shiners" would actually refer to panhandling as being tipped. For example, if you sat down on a table and did not play, but watched someone else play and win a lot of money as you kissed his ass, you might say, "I can't believe he didn't tip me!"
Anyway, while virtually everyone uses this thinking sometimes, there you were just bombarded with it.
One of the most common forms is, "Why should I X, when Y?"
X is always, "do the right thing." Y is some poorly invented rationalization for not doing the right thing, reinventing the conventional wisdom from scratch with brilliant insights only available to the oracle who is explaining why he shouldn't have to pay child support.
Often there's a story about how the person who refuses to do the right thing is the real victim.
Axel's sister (not saying she's from the ghetto, everyone does this a little) talking about how she was the victim of waiters being cheap to her is a good example. "Why should I tip waiters, when waiters have underpaid me at some point?"
This is also often presented as a matter of principle, like the person is taking some sort of great moral stand by shop lifting, not paying workers, refusing to work themselves, etc. But these great moral stands never involve doing something you don't want to. Only behaving as you wished to in the first place.
It never fills out like this. "Why should I call in sick to work when my boss treats me fairly and I know he is short handed today?"
It is also used to justify behavior that mostly just hurts the speaker. e.g. people come up with with some bizarre reason for not wearing seat belts.
It seems to work out well for people. Not only do people who think like this wind up living tremendously full and happy lives, they are an absolute joy to be around. The old Hollywood Park was a delightful establishment and thrived because of it.
Quote: monet0412The path your on is getting darker and darker. I know because I'm on the same road just many miles ahead of you. Turn back now while you still can see some light because it seems once you get further ahead you only get lost in this never ending maze and no chance of any light to find your way out. If you don't believe me just keep walking forward into the darkness losing bits and pieces of your own soul till it's completely gone.
I smirked when I saw this. Clearly the Wizard I think got bilked on paying a tip on a bottle of wine that he didn't want.
Tips of course are optional. The casino, by the way, does tip you, if you have a players card. At a table game, tipping is truly optional and I really think that in the end, some people make up for others, and it is a personal decision.
I have no doubt people can tell their favorite wine apart from crappy brands. At the time, my entire point was, "No, I don't want to share a $300(or whatever) bottle of wine, I don't like wine, IT ALL TASTES BITTER TO ME"Quote: RSI was going to say the same thing, the part about Wizard admitting it was no better than a $1k bottle.
As far as whether a $1k bottle and a $40 bottle have (significant) differences, I don't really know. My guess is, all things being equal, you can probably tell the difference, if you're a wine person. But if you're not a wine person, you probably can't tell the difference. I'm not a wine person, so IDGAF.
It'd be like a non-smoker having a nasty disgusting menthol cigarette and also trying a deliciously exquisite Kamel Red. A noob isn't going to be able to tell the difference. But a true smoker will notice the menthol is nasty and how delightful Kamel Reds are.
For the record, I haven't smoked a cigarette in 2-3 years.....last time I smoked a Kamel Red was at least 5 years ago, perhaps even 7 years ago. But every now and then, I still get a craving for them. They're that good. (But if I had one now, I probably wouldn't like it anymore.)
That's what sparked the ourtage from our "sophisticated" wine drinkers.
I didn't think Mike and our another friend could tell if it is an expensive or moderately priced bottle if given a blind taste test. For example, 3 random glasses of an $80 bottle of wine VS 1 random glass of a $500 bottle of wine(let's not get into what's considered expensive or moderately priced).
I compare wine tasting experts with betting system players and DI's.
There is a good documentary called Sour Grapes on Netflix.
Quote: boymimboI smirked when I saw this. Clearly the Wizard I think got bilked on paying a tip on a bottle of wine that he didn't want.
Tips of course are optional. The casino, by the way, does tip you, if you have a players card. At a table game, tipping is truly optional and I really think that in the end, some people make up for others, and it is a personal decision.
No, the casino does NOT tip the players. How can it be “tip” when the casinos take ton of moneys from each player and gave back a few pennies or dollars.
I'm a strong believer in living wage, and at the same time I also strongly believe that the employer is responsible for taking care of its workers, and it should not be the patrons’ responsibility to take care of the employees. Furthermore, matters about workers compensations must be between the employers and employees.
The way I see our current tipping system is that businesses are taking advantage their employers and customers by passing the responsibilities taking care of their employees to their customers. This kind of exploitation must stop and I’m in favor of abolishing out tipping system.
Tipping should NOT even be optional and must be abolished entirely. I prefer paying extra in lieu of tipping, and I believe it is a much fairer way to compensate the workers for their labors. And if the casinos find it necessary to charge for parking, increase resort fee, take away free drink, reduce 6:5 BJ to 1:1 BJ and PASS THESE ADDITIONAL revenues onto their pay roll accounts, then I’m all for it.
Tipping is not expected or much less popular in all other countries, but why it an expectation here? Let's eliminate the employers exploitation of labors, and abolish our tipping system.
Quote: 777
Tipping should be optional and must be abolished entirely.
Huh?? This seems contradictory. Let's just keep it optional and let everybody do whatever they want.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no doubt people can tell their favorite wine apart from crappy brands. At the time, my entire point was, "No, I don't want to share a $300(or whatever) bottle of wine, I don't like wine, IT ALL TASTES BITTER TO ME"Quote: RSI was going to say the same thing, the part about Wizard admitting it was no better than a $1k bottle.
As far as whether a $1k bottle and a $40 bottle have (significant) differences, I don't really know. My guess is, all things being equal, you can probably tell the difference, if you're a wine person. But if you're not a wine person, you probably can't tell the difference. I'm not a wine person, so IDGAF.
It'd be like a non-smoker having a nasty disgusting menthol cigarette and also trying a deliciously exquisite Kamel Red. A noob isn't going to be able to tell the difference. But a true smoker will notice the menthol is nasty and how delightful Kamel Reds are.
For the record, I haven't smoked a cigarette in 2-3 years.....last time I smoked a Kamel Red was at least 5 years ago, perhaps even 7 years ago. But every now and then, I still get a craving for them. They're that good. (But if I had one now, I probably wouldn't like it anymore.)
That's what sparked the ourtage from our "sophisticated" wine drinkers.
I didn't think Mike and our another friend could tell if it is an expensive or moderately priced bottle if given a blind taste test. For example, 3 random glasses of an $80 bottle of wine VS 1 random glass of a $500 bottle of wine(let's not get into what's considered expensive or moderately priced).
I compare wine tasting experts with betting system players and DI's.
There is a good documentary called Sour Grapes on Netflix.
I think part of it is due to diminishing returns on the price of a bottle of wine. A $20 bottle may very well taste 2x better than a $10 bottle, but I doubt many $500 bottles taste 5x better than a $100 bottle.
The markup on bottles at restaurants are also absurd. Wiz's $1k bottle may very well have been purchased for $100 or less.
2 more good wine docs are Somm and Somm: Into the Bottle which get pretty deep into professional wine tasting. I think a huge part of what actually makes those people experts is knowing all the nuances of different grape varieties and vintages, and being able to pair those with a customer's meal or personal preferences.
Quote: boymimboI smirked when I saw this. Clearly the Wizard I think got bilked on paying a tip on a bottle of wine that he didn't want.
Tips of course are optional. The casino, by the way, does tip you, if you have a players card. At a table game, tipping is truly optional and I really think that in the end, some people make up for others, and it is a personal decision.
I think your missing my point though. It really has nothing to do with tipping or not tipping. ZK's rationale or ideology on tipping is just the tip of the ice berg. If you start down this selfish type of behavior it doesn't take long for it to snowball into all aspects of every day living and decisions. I wasn't actually saying he is right or wrong. That is up for him to decide. I have read a little on the subject. Some guy had this radical idea a couple thousand years ago suggesting that it is better to give compared to receiving. Something about loving your enemies because if you only love your friends and do good to those that do good to you your not going to inherit something that he said was incomprehensible. Some crazy notion that if you own the whole world but die and lose your own soul what good was that 75 odd years of life worth? You and ZK can do and think whatever you guys like but in my experience I've found that you pay heavy penalties in life for short term rewards like worrying about tipping or deciding that you'll never tip again. That type of behavior will change you very fast. It seems that it's better to play for the long run.
Quote: DRichHuh?? This seems contradictory. Let's just keep it optional and let everybody do whatever they want.
Apparently I edited my post to "Tipping should NOT even be optional and must be abolished entirely" after you had response to my reply.
If tipping is a mean to compensate employees' labors, then it must be MANDATORY. Because I don't want it to be mandatory, I prefer a total elimination of our current tipping system and replace it with a system where "tip" is included in the cost of services and goods.
Quote: 777No, the casino does NOT tip the players. How can it be “tip” when the casinos take ton of moneys from each player and gave back a few pennies or dollars.
I'm a strong believer in living wage, and at the same time I also strongly believe that the employer is responsible for taking care of its workers, and it should not be the patrons’ responsibility to take care of the employees. Furthermore, matters about workers compensations must be between the employers and employees.
The way I see our current tipping system is that businesses are taking advantage their employers and customers by passing the responsibilities taking care of their employees to their customers. This kind of exploitation must stop and I’m in favor of abolishing out tipping system.
Tipping should NOT even be optional and must be abolished entirely. I prefer paying extra in lieu of tipping, and I believe it is a much fairer way to compensate the workers for their labors. And if the casinos find it necessary to charge for parking, increase resort fee, take away free drink, reduce 6:5 BJ to 1:1 BJ and PASS THESE ADDITIONAL revenues onto their pay roll accounts, then I’m all for it.
Tipping is not expected or much less popular in all other countries, but why it an expectation here? Let's eliminate the employers exploitation of labors, and abolish our tipping system.
Well the casino theoretically only takes .5% from each blackjack hand you play and your player's card is worth about 2 - 20/30% of your theo depending on where you play so there's your "tip". You get that "tip" whether you win or lose.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of not tipping in an industry where good individual customer service should be rewarded. That said, I DO favor getting rid of tipping for restaurants or reduce the tip percentage to between 0 and 5% of the bill and pay them a living wage.
Quote: RigondeauxThe above and the other thread reminded me of when I worked in Hollywood Park and constantly encountered something I called "Ghetto Logic."
It seems to work out well for people. Not only do people who think like this wind up living tremendously full and happy lives, they are an absolute joy to be around.
Not sure if you were there yet or not, but I got quite a bit of grief for voicing a similar comment on Friday Night. People who don't tip or who disparage servers as somehow below them are not people I choose to hang around with. Inevitably, they prove to be more trouble than they are worth.
Quote: boymimboWell the casino theoretically only takes .5% from each blackjack hand you play and your player's card is worth about 2 - 20/30% of your theo depending on where you play so there's your "tip". You get that "tip" whether you win or lose.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of not tipping in an industry where good individual customer service should be rewarded. That said, I DO favor getting rid of tipping for restaurants or reduce the tip percentage to between 0 and 5% of the bill and pay them a living wage.
I don't understand why should there be distinction among industries? Super market cashier, auto mechanics, plumbers, department store clerk, bellboy, bus-boy, casino dealer, meat butcher ... and they all deserve a living wage. One can argue that tipping can have direct impact on pay-for-performance, but then again it is the responsibility of the employer to discipline, reward, evaluate, and compensate their employees.
Since you mention restaurant, is it common for waitress to share tip with bus-boy?
Quote: 777I don't understand why should there be distinction among industries? Super market cashier, auto mechanics, plumbers, department store clerk, bellboy, bus-boy, casino dealer, meat butcher ... and they all deserve a living wage. One can argue that tipping can have direct impact on pay-for-performance, but then again it is the responsibility of the employer to discipline, reward, evaluate, and compensate their employees.
Since you mention restaurant, is it common for waitress to share tip with bus-boy?
Many waitresses tip out bus boys, servers and bartenders.. In my businesses, bartenders split their tips with other bartenders and tipped out barbacks. Servers tipped out the service bartender and bus boys. On slow nights, bus boys would bareback so get tipped two ways.
I recently moved, but until then , I had the same family servicing my cars for almost forty years. I tipped them every time I used them.
Not much, but enough to buy the whole crew coffee and donuts. Generally, I tip plumbers and any other service people.
Quote: billryanMany waitresses tip out bus boys, servers and bartenders.. In my businesses, bartenders split their tips with other bartenders and tipped out barbacks. Servers tipped out the service bartender and bus boys. On slow nights, bus boys would bareback so get tipped two ways.
I recently moved, but until then , I had the same family servicing my cars for almost forty years. I tipped them every time I used them.
Not much, but enough to buy the whole crew coffee and donuts. Generally, I tip plumbers and any other service people.
It is good that you tip. But your action would create unintended consequence, and that is it gives the employers the excuse to underpay or unfairly under compensate their workers.
Quote: billryanMany waitresses tip out bus boys, servers and bartenders.. In my businesses, bartenders split their tips with other bartenders and tipped out barbacks. Servers tipped out the service bartender and bus boys. On slow nights, bus boys would bareback so get tipped two ways.
I recently moved, but until then , I had the same family servicing my cars for almost forty years. I tipped them every time I used them.
Not much, but enough to buy the whole crew coffee and donuts. Generally, I tip plumbers and any other service people.
You tip plumbers?Wow the cheapest plumbers I know get $75 per hour,now if you have a friend of a friend giving u a deal ,i agree with tipping but not otherwise.
Where does it end ,do you tip the police for coming to investigate a break in,or tip the ambulance squad,or fire department for coming to your house.Or how about your children's teachers,or coaches?Also you coul tip the funeral parlor in advance for your service. Jk
Quote: HunterhillYou tip plumbers?Wow the cheapest plumbers I know get $75 per hour,now if you have a friend of a friend giving u a deal ,i agree with tipping but not otherwise.
Where does it end ,do you tip the police for coming to investigate a break in,or tip the ambulance squad,or fire department for coming to your house.Or how about your children's teachers,or coaches?Also you coul tip the funeral parlor in advance for your service. Jk
I believe you mean the cheapest plumbing company you know gets $75. Not the guy actually doing the job.
Quote: 777Tipping is not expected or much less popular in all other countries, but why it an expectation here? Let's eliminate the employers exploitation of labors, and abolish our tipping system.
We are also one of the three (I believe) countries to use English units, or whatever you call the measurement system where you use inches, feet, etc. instead of those stupid "meters" or "grams".
If I have a $100 meal and tip $20 to make the total $120, how is that any different than purchasing the same meal with a 20% service charge, totaling $120? It is the exact same thing, except I cannot tip less if I got sh** service. Not to mention, if this did start up, different places would likely have a higher service charge....some places would probably start charging 25% or 30%!
And why is there the conception this is not "fair"? Until I started hanging out with gamblers, I'd never met anyone who would say how unfair tipping is or that it should be abolished. Relatively, few people think tipping is unfair. When someone gets a job at a restaurant, casino, etc. they realize a small amount of their income will come from their base hourly wage but most of it comes from tips. Hell, I think oftentimes strippers have to pay the strip club in order to work.
Quote: billryanbus boys would bareback so get tipped two ways.
I believe you meant bar-back but bareback makes this much funnier and an unintended pun.
If they aren't paying the club, they are paying the manager who schedules who works what shift, ect, ect. Usually its in cash, but not always.
Quote: RSWe are also one of the three (I believe) countries to use English units, or whatever you call the measurement system where you use inches, feet, etc. instead of those stupid "meters" or "grams".
If I have a $100 meal and tip $20 to make the total $120, how is that any different than purchasing the same meal with a 20% service charge, totaling $120? It is the exact same thing, except I cannot tip less if I got sh** service. Not to mention, if this did start up, different places would likely have a higher service charge....some places would probably start charging 25% or 30%!
And why is there the conception this is not "fair"? Until I started hanging out with gamblers, I'd never met anyone who would say how unfair tipping is or that it should be abolished. Relatively, few people think tipping is unfair. When someone gets a job at a restaurant, casino, etc. they realize a small amount of their income will come from their base hourly wage but most of it comes from tips. Hell, I think oftentimes strippers have to pay the strip club in order to work.
Problem with your logic is youre missing one huge point. The restaurants and other tip related industries like casinos are making a hefty profit on their product. Not paying their workers and trying to push that reaponsibility on its customers is a complete joke and milking of the system to get away with not paying their workers.
You think a restaurant charging you $20-$30 bucks for a 8 oz. Steak and some mashed potatoes and veggies is not making a good profit on that? Lets get real. Just like the casino has the edge on every game, every restaurant marks up their food to make a nice profit on each sale. There would be NO need for them to raise their food prices 25-30% just because they have to pay their waiters 10 an hour now.
Give me a break, but guess what, you can bet the farm that resraurants will use that excuse to then raise their food prices 25-30% even though it makes no logical sense since they are already making a good proift on their products. And you wanna know the even more pathetic part; society would agree with the notion that the restaurant should raise their food prices because they have been conditioned their whole life that tipping is a must and if the restaurant now has to pay their workers a fair wage, raising food prices makes sense. LOL. Sad times
Quote: RSNo way in hell is a plumber getting paid $75/hour.
Some of the companies charge $125 per hour,the ones that ONLY charge $75 are small one or 2 man operations.
Quote: billryanI believe you mean the cheapest plumbing company you know gets $75. Not the guy actually doing the job.
Yes that's true,so the ones that work for the plumber are only getting $25-30 per hour.
I usually hire small independent plumbers/electricians so they charge lesd than the major companies, but they make enough so i dont feel the need to tip them.
Tipping 20 to 30 percent on a restaurant meal? Also absurd!
If servers were paid a decent wage at a "no tipping" restaurant and they hiked the price by 25%, I wouldn't go there. That's a rip-off.
This is one reason I eat almost every meal at home. I cannot stand the idiotic tipping culture. If I do go out to eat, I tip 10%, max. Zero for bad service.
