Amused
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October 19th, 2016 at 4:46:33 PM permalink
I recently played a Craps machine at the Venetian. There were about 8 stations around a central glass cylinder which encased two large dice. When cued, the player hits the plunger which launches the dice in a seemingly random fashion. I have shot dice for years and do a pretty fair job shaving down the house advantage as best as possible. But the results I had at this machine left me scratching my head in disbelief. I was playing the pass with full odds on some rolls, and the don't with full odds on others. While others were playing at their stations the results were that of a live game. But once the others left and I was the lone player, I hit a losing streak that was hard to believe. Regardless of if I was on the Pass or Don't, I suffered 17 losses out the the next 18 rolls! My question is can these machines be programmed like slots are? Are the results as random as at the live tables?
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October 19th, 2016 at 4:51:08 PM permalink
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I recently played a Craps machine at the Venetian. There were about 8 stations around a central glass cylinder which encased two large dice. When cued, the player hits the plunger which launches the dice in a seemingly random fashion. I have shot dice for years and do a pretty fair job shaving down the house advantage as best as possible. But the results I had at this machine left me scratching my head in disbelief. I was playing the pass with full odds on some rolls, and the don't with full odds on others. While others were playing at their stations the results were that of a live game. But once the others left and I was the lone player, I hit a losing streak that was hard to believe. Regardless of if I was on the Pass or Don't, I suffered 17 losses out the the next 18 rolls! My question is can these machines be programmed like slots are? Are the results as random as at the live tables?






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October 19th, 2016 at 5:26:02 PM permalink
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I have shot dice for years and do a pretty fair job shaving down the house advantage as best as possible.

How? The HA is what it is. Best you can get the HA down to is 1.364%

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I hit a losing streak that was hard to believe. Regardless of if I was on the Pass or Don't, I suffered 17 losses out the the next 18 rolls!

That's why betting systems don't work(sh*t happens)

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My question is can these machines be programmed like slots are?

NOT HAPPENING

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Are the results as random as at the live tables?

If they weren't random smart players could exploit the game.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 19th, 2016 at 5:33:03 PM permalink
Slots aren't random...but smart players can't exploit them.
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October 19th, 2016 at 5:37:38 PM permalink
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Slots aren't random...but smart players can't exploit them.



Of course we can.
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October 19th, 2016 at 5:51:11 PM permalink
Quote: Amused

Slots aren't random...but smart players can't exploit them.



AxelWolf
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October 19th, 2016 at 5:51:12 PM permalink
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Slots aren't random...but smart players can't exploit them.



They're not?

They can't?

Can you show me a legal non random slot in Vegas please?

How would they rig the craps dice? with magnets or something? How would it know what numbers to make come up or avoid?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FDEAD3709
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October 19th, 2016 at 8:58:15 PM permalink
Have you never crawled under the machine and seen that lock box that only SHFl employees have a key to ?
FDEAD3709
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October 19th, 2016 at 9:02:30 PM permalink
Just kidding AXEL is right once again. I mean these are casino machines ! Next you would be saying a State lottery like PA, with all it's security and integrity could be rigged. I mean how DUMB

http://wesa.fm/post/triple-six-fix-how-rigging-pa-lottery-inadvertently-contributed-its-success#stream/0
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October 19th, 2016 at 9:42:40 PM permalink
Im no expert but, if it's rigged, play the don't? Oh, wait, then you'll get a bunch of 7s on the come out. Did you hear China has a space station and we have everlasting rovers on Mars? Believing stuff is fun.

One of the longest rolls I've ever had was on that same machine. Too bad I broke the 7th commandment of gambling or I'd be rich.
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100% risk of ruin
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October 19th, 2016 at 9:46:21 PM permalink
Or just keep doing the same thing until you're broke. Oh wait...
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 20th, 2016 at 12:15:37 AM permalink
don't hit that plunger without first taking a plunger influencer course....I think there is one available from frank superheavy.
get second you pig
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October 20th, 2016 at 2:40:48 AM permalink
It's "determine if the OP is for real or not" time

Mr. "Amused", it's hard to believe you aren't just putting us on. This might as well be addressed immediately as you will be taking a beating at this site over and over again about it - wrong place to come to, talking like this. It just is.

However, you may just be putting us on, in which case this is your amusement , sure.

It is controversial here:

*that there is anything you would be allowed to do, to shave the house advantage in Craps. That you could do something in a 'craps machine' is an even bigger hoot

*that slot machines, or games generally in casinos are gaffed by design.

*that losing streaks mean squat-diddly

I've never seen anyone stick around as a poster here who didn't get sick of the abuse for maintaining these things. They either get educated or they leave, simple as that. Or maybe they just get tired of the joke.
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