EvenBob
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March 10th, 2012 at 10:55:14 AM permalink
Chastity is a moronic solution for any mass
sexual problem, be it AIDS or population
control. Obviously even priests can't
control their libidos, as is apparent in the
constant scandal's that have plagued the
Church. Chastity looks great on paper and fails
miserably in practice.
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boymimbo
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March 10th, 2012 at 11:06:16 AM permalink
I will give the overwhelming and one reason for using contraception. Overpopulation. It's that simple. Western countries' birth rates are so low that population growth is through immigration. if China did not use contraception, their population would be what - 1.6 billion now or something like that?

The world does not have the resources to support a world without contraception, plain and simple. Central African countries are warring constantly over resources. Our oil prices and commodity prices are so high because China and India are coming to age and are requiring the same resources we use. Birth rates have to come down in order to support these trends. That means less babies in the world. That means contraception.
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March 10th, 2012 at 11:39:49 AM permalink
The WHO study goes on to say:

Quote: World Health Organization


2. RELEVANCE TO UNDER-RESOURCED SETTINGS
2.1. Magnitude of the problem

This review is of high relevance to under-resourced settings. The very high rates of HIV infection, and sexually transmitted infections (STIs) that contribute to HIV transmission, have been well documented in much of sub-Saharan Africa (levels of HIV around 30% in some parts), Asia and the rest of the developing world. Another related problem is the low and inconsistent use of condoms in most of the affected areas.

2.2. Feasibility of the intervention

The widespread, correct and consistent use of male condoms is probably the most feasible HIV prevention strategy available. Compared with other health strategies that require doctors, nurses, health workers, clinics, fridges, needles and so on, condoms can be safely and effectively promoted, distributed and used. Yes, there are barriers—including cultural and social ones—but there can be no denying the ready availability of an intervention that provides substantial protection.

2.3. Applicability of the results of the Cochrane Review

The cost of condoms is low, and various social marketing projects and programmes have shown widespread distribution to be feasible. Without doubt different difficulties will be faced in different locations, but local expertise and interest will overcome these.

2.4. Implementation of the intervention

Condom distribution already occurs in many different ways through most of the developing world, using a wide range of networks ranging from formal health sectors, through social marketing efforts, and also the private sector. These efforts need to be redoubled.

2.5. Research

Perhaps the key focus for future research needs to be on how best to increase distribution and uptake of condoms in as many different locations as possible, rather than on further refinement of knowledge of the actual effectiveness of condoms.



The World Health Organization's strategy to reduce overpopulation and AIDS - contraception. It's worked here in America.

The prevalence of AIDS in the United States has not changed much according the the study that MathExtremist posted. The demographics have not changed significantly. 32% of new HIV cases are between heterosexual couples. 10-12% is through intravenous drug use, and 56-58% is through male-male contact.

You know, FR, the more "loving" message should be that abstinence should be practiced, but if you go out and have sex, don't kill yourself. Here's a condom. Missionary groups in Africa teach both.
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March 10th, 2012 at 12:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Also you make the mistake above in saying that "only condoms" slow the spread of STDs. That is of course not true. Not only would pouring our resources into encouraging chastity slow the spread of diseases like AIDS it could eventually stop it.



But then only people who already have AIDS should need to abstain, not the rest of humanity. Get, oh, six million adults and test them for AIDS. Keep those who test negative. Let them have sex every way they want as often as they want, so long as its consensual. How many cases of AIDS will there be every year?

But this isn't about pregnancies, wanted or not, nor about AIDS or STDs. It's about abolishing birth control you disapprove of, simply because the Church disapproves of it.

Quote:

As the study you quoted points out condoms seem to be only around 80% effective in stopping the transmission of HIV.



There are many factors involved in how often condoms fail. The more important ones are quality and proper use and handling. Using good quality ones and handling them properly, the chances of failure are much lower than 20%

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Many will argue that human beings cannot control themselves when it comes to sex. What a pessimistic and degrading view of the human person that is. I happen to believe that we are indeed capable with some help, both divine and secular, of recovering a healthy view of sex and truly addressing this issue that is either a symptom or the cause of so many social problems.



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EvenBob
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March 10th, 2012 at 12:16:56 PM permalink
What all this is really REALLY about is, the Church thinks
sex is a sin, even marital sex. Its for having children only
and should never be used for recreation. Ever. Anything
that feels good is a sin, basically. So they torment themselves
over it, they abstain and are miserable. And because
misery loves company, they try and drag us down there
with them. Good luck with that...
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boymimbo
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March 10th, 2012 at 1:02:47 PM permalink
As much as I HATE to say it, Bob, I agree with you.
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FrGamble
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March 10th, 2012 at 7:32:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

What all this is really REALLY about is, the Church thinks
sex is a sin, even marital sex. Its for having children only
and should never be used for recreation. Ever. Anything
that feels good is a sin, basically. So they torment themselves
over it, they abstain and are miserable. And because
misery loves company, they try and drag us down there
with them. Good luck with that...



Okay now I am done, this is pure crap. Just go back a few posts and you will see clearly that the Church sees sex as a beautiful thing. It is the secular world and a contraceptive mentality that have made it seem ugly, dirty, and dangerous. Sex can result in the gift of children that is obvious just by looking at nature. It is just as obvious that sex is fun, enjoyable, intimate, beautiful, and it expresses and strengthens the love of husband and wife in a sublime way. As usual you could not be more wrong about what the Church thinks or teaches and I really wish you would stop spouting such ignorance and lies.
EvenBob
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March 10th, 2012 at 7:48:11 PM permalink
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Okay now I am done,



Promise?
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