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FrGamble
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:27:02 PM permalink
I just found out that I will be able to go to the Consistory to create new Cardinals in Rome on February 18th where the highest honor a cleric can receive is bestowed. I happen to know very well the two American Archbishops that are being elevated to Cardinal; Edwin O'Brien and Timothy Dolan. I am so happy for them and the Church universal!
EvenBob
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:31:01 PM permalink
Go in an official capacity, or just as an observer? Are
they paying for the trip or do you have to use your
gambling winnings.
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DJTeddyBear
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:40:46 PM permalink
I'm sure this is a great honor for you. Congrats.

But out of curiosity, and ignorance due to my Jewish upbringing, is the "highest honor" you mention, that of your invitation to go, or that of the elevation from Archbishop to Cardinal? Or something else?

Is Cardinal the top of the food chain?


Perhaps my ignorance comes from the lack of clear understanding of the term "cleric."
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AZDuffman
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:41:01 PM permalink
Congrats. And a question if you do not mind. What is the capacity of a Cardinal anyways? Are they more scholars than admimistrators? Or is it a legit promotion above Bishop. I ask because way back in Catholic School I said or asked something about Cardinals and the priest really blew it off and said, "A Cardinal is nothing but a Bishop with a fancy title."

I've never heard of one outside Rome and the only thing I see is that they are a sort-of Board of Directors under the Pope. Can you clear it up?

While I am at it, is there a standard for "Archbishop" and "Archdiocese?" All I ever heard was it meant the Diocese was big, though Pittsburgh would have had to qualified at some point if that alone was the standard.
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Paigowdan
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:47:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Go in an official capacity, or just as an observer? Are
they paying for the trip or do you have to use your
gambling winnings.


Father Gamble, ignore Bob, show that little lost lamb with hoof-in-mouth disease devine patience, because that's what Bob and I require at times.
Even I was aghast at that one.
Bob - apologize, really.
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FleaStiff
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:50:21 PM permalink
Its the College of Cardinals that elects a Pope so it must be a biiggie of some sort.
EvenBob
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:57:48 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


Even I was aghast at that one.
Bob - apologize, really.



He can use his winnings any way he see's fit, a
trip to Rome is a nice idea.
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Paigowdan
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February 9th, 2012 at 3:01:45 PM permalink
He sure can if true, but I would assume he's using church salary for church business. Anything that smacks of "Look: - Gamblin' winnings for Jesus' work" can be seen as a red flag to say.

Edit:
My twin brother (also named Bob) works for the Catholic Church, as did my late father, and used his non-gambling money to visit the Vatican. And he is a dice-throwing, horse-racing afficionado. He won a huge payout on the race-book (a pick-6) not too long ago, and made NO public connection between any gambling winnings and Christ's work, not for a second.
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EvenBob
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February 9th, 2012 at 3:06:05 PM permalink
If he has to pay for the trip himself, its not
church business.
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Paigowdan
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February 9th, 2012 at 3:33:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If he has to pay for the trip himself, its not
church business.


True. Good point.
But I cannot personally - on any sort of spiritual or religious level - equate anything of a gambling or drinking or "approved adult recreation" nature, or cash gotten thereof - to anything spiritual or devine.
Via transubstantiation, wine is no longer an alcoholic beverage, but the blood of Christ, or so goes the concept.
Cash won from Gambling? I believe there is no transubstantiation for gambling proceeds, - period.
Win a chunk of cash? pay the mortgage or car loan. Even give it to Catholic charities, fine.
Say it is directly and officially usable for Chrst's work? A tad different. The equation, that formula makes me cringe a tad. Just me, I'll give you all that.
Visiting the Vatican? Great, Excellent, my brother raves about it.
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