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hitme21
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August 12th, 2018 at 11:15:26 AM permalink
ok. I am not sure what kind of evidence you want. I don't want to debate this topic, but as a courtesy and gentleman I will tell you that my evidence is simple. OBSERVATION thru experience. It's playing the game for over 30+ years, and recognizing the trend consistently. The same way you know the weather is hot in Vegas during the Summer, without being a meteorologist. OBSERVATION. The evidence is simply the fact that it's been hot in Vegas every year of your existence... We don't need to be meteorologists, and understand weather patterns to know it's going to be hot in Vegas next Summer too. All based on many years of observation. I am a Vegas local and also have played at Casinos around the world. I am not bitter over this game. As a matter of fact, I luv this game. I simply don't want to see you or any other customer get hurt by card clumping. On the other hand, if you find card clumping in your favor, then machine shuffle may be your gold mine. If you are the rainman who hits 16's against a dealer 5, and pulls a 4, then machine shuffle may be your gold mine. Seriously. But for a basic strategy player, machine shuffle is no gold mine. I am a basic strategy player. I simply vary my bet amount based on a lot of criteria during the shoe. Nothing new to anyone I am sure. I have several friends who are dealers, and they won't play machine shuffle BJ, based on what they observe, day in and day out. I was actually one of the skeptical ones at first, but then over the years I couldn't help but notice the consistently clumped cards in a BJ machine shuffle.
I wish I had a bean counter recording every basic strategy hand that I played throughout my life, and I guarantee you that my FACT would jump out at anyone who read the chart. I wish you would believe me, because then we can all boycott these silly machines, so BJ would be what it used to be.... a much more pure game without any automation. If you play long enough, and as much as I have, you will figure it out on your own though. I belong to a group of long time BJ players, and none of us would even consider playing any Machine Shuffle BJ game anymore. We all had our own individual epiphanies.. Did you ever notice that sometimes the only way to get a hand shuffle is in the high limit room? Finally, let me leave you with a thought. If you are familiar with the Vegas BJ scene, have you ever noticed that most of the locals casinos predominantly have Hand Shuffle BJ? Mostly .. not all.. but the majority are hand shuffle. Again these are locals casinos where the locals play daily. Experienced Locals (for the most part) won't play machine shuffle BJ. I know cuz I am one of many. Isn't it cool how hand shuffle games get a different shuffler every hour or so, with different physical hands on their body? Doesn't it suck how machine shuffle BJ has the same dealer (machine), shuffling the cards 24x7 ? I think so. So if you want to believe I am of the opinion that machine shuffle games clump the cards, then I must tell you that I am also of the opinion that the weather is hot in Vegas, the majority of the time. Sorry not evidence other than my experience, and I don't even understand weather science. I also am of the opinion that my round tires, roll better than square tires. I am not even an auto mechanic either. lol. ... but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I am right, based on many years of observation (not bad luck or superstition). I really don't want to see any customer have decreased odds against the casino. Try this Go to Vegas for one month, and play consistently 3 - 4 days per week, only 6 deck hand shuffle. Then go to Phoenix Arizona for one month, and play only 6 deck machine shuffle. In conclusion, I just want to recap the main point. Assuming you are playing basic strategy, you will as a FACT lose more hands over time by playing a machine shuffle game (not continuous), than you will a Hand Shuffle game dealt out of a shoe. The same applies to Double Deck. Play Hand shuffle. Don't be shy about table jumping either.... but that's yet another topic. --Too soon we get old, and too late we get smart - - Learning is a change of Behavior based on experience.
SYBS4S1E
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September 27th, 2018 at 12:30:42 AM permalink
They are completely rigged and can be remotely programmed. This was info I received personally from a current employee from Bally
SYBS4S1E
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September 27th, 2018 at 1:12:12 AM permalink
These machines are computers that can be remotely programmed. These are words straight from the horses mouth. A Bally rep. Was working on a machine and had it open. I walk up and ask can these machines read the cards. HE SAYS YES THEY CAN. THERE IS CAMERAS INSIDE EACH ONE OF THEM. he took a card out and pressed the shuffle button. All of a sudden it stopped and on the screen the 8of hearts popped up. The exact card he was holding. RED FLAG🚩🚩🚩then I asked can this machine only play blackjack. HE SAID NO IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMED 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 what baffles me how so many people are completely clueless and think that this idea is crazy.
ZenKinG
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September 27th, 2018 at 1:57:12 AM permalink
Quote: SYBS4S1E

They are completely rigged and can be remotely programmed. This was info I received personally from a current employee from Bally



Funny you mention Bally's because that's one of the places I cant win at. Like I have said all along, the center of the strip with the big boys like Caesars Palace, Ballys, Planet Hollywood, Bellagio, it's ALL rigged. Every single one of those places I'm a huge loser at and it's not a coincidence they all use ASM's for the shoe games I play there.

The fact that I still can't be beat in this city overall says a lot LOL. Nice try china town.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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September 27th, 2018 at 5:57:15 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Funny you mention Bally's because that's one of the places I cant win at. Like I have said all along, the center of the strip with the big boys like Caesars Palace, Ballys, Planet Hollywood, Bellagio, it's ALL rigged. Every single one of those places I'm a huge loser at and it's not a coincidence they all use ASM's for the shoe games I play there.

The fact that I still can't be beat in this city overall says a lot LOL. Nice try china town.



Dont ever give up on thinking they can rig these machines ZenKinG, as i play on them all the time at sands bethlehem and know exactly what you have seen. its as if every move was planned and they pull 21 when you play basic strategy,but its as if you shouldnt have most of the time.
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September 27th, 2018 at 11:19:54 AM permalink
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I wish I had a bean counter recording every basic strategy hand that I played throughout my life, and I guarantee you that my FACT would jump out at anyone who read the chart.



Google "Selective Memory"
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September 27th, 2018 at 11:29:09 AM permalink
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Dont ever give up on thinking they can rig these machines ZenKinG, as i play on them all the time at sands bethlehem and know exactly what you have seen. its as if every move was planned and they pull 21 when you play basic strategy,but its as if you shouldnt have most of the time.



Occasionally doubling down on twenty will confuse the program. Convince your fellow players and it lets you do it less often.
Once every two or three shuffles is sufficient.
ZenKinG
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September 27th, 2018 at 12:51:08 PM permalink
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Dont ever give up on thinking they can rig these machines ZenKinG, as i play on them all the time at sands bethlehem and know exactly what you have seen. its as if every move was planned and they pull 21 when you play basic strategy,but its as if you shouldnt have most of the time.



Funny how you also mention sands bethlehem, that was also a place I struggled at back home and were all ASMs.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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September 27th, 2018 at 12:59:43 PM permalink
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Funny how you also mention sands bethlehem, that was also a place I struggled at back home and were all ASMs.



ive been reading your posts and its very very suspicious to me that you say PA is the only state that you cant beat. i agree it cant be beat, but you can try to find the periods of time where they let you win
ZenKinG
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September 27th, 2018 at 3:52:43 PM permalink
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ive been reading your posts and its very very suspicious to me that you say PA is the only state that you cant beat. i agree it cant be beat, but you can try to find the periods of time where they let you win



I never said PA couldnt be beat. Theres only 2 casinos in PA that beat me and that was Harrahs and Sands. Mohegan small loss there as well, but ill leave them out because of a small sample size there.

With that being said I was almost at breakeven at Sands before I moved out to Vegas. Harrahs on the other hand absolutely crushed me ever since they changed out their 8 deck games and went to 6 deck games.

Harrahs in Chester is the place that needs to be investigated. It was all too coincidental for me to start losing as soon as they went to 6 decks. We all know Harrahs is known as the Evil Empire and is the one that started destroying the blackjack games, so why would they make the game more beneficial to the player by going from 8 decks to 6 decks with those kinds of rules that PA offers. Suspicious to say the least.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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