Diogenes
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August 30th, 2016 at 5:38:54 AM permalink
I'm having trouble with "equally distributed" vs. "randomly distributed" and I think my contention is that equally distributed cannot be randomly distributed.

Consider a random distribution of the first twenty natural numbers. If I were to notice that some of the even numbers were clustered (which they would be) and I rearranged them to reduce slugs of even numbers; would you still consider it a random distribution? I think not because each number no longer has the equal probability of being in each position.

The shuffle machine should shuffle the discards to some state of randomness. It shouldn't rearrange the cards.

What do you think?
DeMango
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August 30th, 2016 at 5:51:59 AM permalink
Evenly distributed results. Ahhh the dream of the D'Alembert progressionist. One could own the casino shortly. If not BJ then definitely Baccarat!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
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July 12th, 2017 at 5:20:47 PM permalink
Quote: SAMIAM

I still can not figure out how the shufflers know how many people are playing, if the idiot at 3rd base will or will not take the dealers break card. And yet posters here somehow believe the dealers benefits ? Worse yet, seems the posters have time to recount how they were cheaters, how often they and the whole table lost, chances of getting a two card twenty are dismal, etc.
And yet not a one of them ever has time to actually record their hands.
I mean if you are not keeping count, how will you know if you lost 31 hands in a row ?

You'd be very surprised what they know. They know how many people are there and how much each person has bet just by you putting your chip in the betting circle on the table. There are sensors that not only know what positions have a player, but also how much they bet. They track your action as you play. They know exactly how much you have lost and won simply by you putting your chips in that circle.

I haven't figured out how yet, but there is a casino here in my town that I'm darn near 100% positive is cheating, somehow. There have been some very head scratching things happen while I've played BJ there that the odds of it happening are astronomical that I can't ignore. I'm ok with losing as I figure I'm going to pay to have a good time playing some cards. I've played Reno, Tahoe, Vegas, Atlantic City, and Indian Casinos all over the country. But this place is ludicrous and something is wrong. My next step is to just go and watch some of the tables and see if I can figure it out. I'm not putting anymore money on their tables though.
DeMango
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July 12th, 2017 at 9:38:13 PM permalink
Where?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
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July 13th, 2017 at 8:27:27 AM permalink
Graton Casino in Rohnert Park, CA
OnceDear
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July 13th, 2017 at 11:38:31 AM permalink
Quote: Diogenes

Separate a deck of cards into high, low and neutral. Then begin to rearrange the deck in the sequence high, low, neutral, high, low,... . As the cards are dealt the count will be 1, -1, 0, 1, -1, 0, ... . And that will be true regardless of cut or player skill.

I'd kill for a game that presented cards in such a uniform way. My winnings would more than cover the fees of my defence lawyer.
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JESUS1
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April 2nd, 2018 at 1:51:28 PM permalink
YES!, Totally Possible and it is done often!
Especially to ward off unwanted , advantaged or lucky players with high winnings or long streaks-
Unbealivabley done and flawlessley.
I´m sorry to break the is question is on so many forums and no one dares sy the truth.. or it is censured.. I built 3 casinos and have worked tightly with owners.. the mentioned it but after being an aadvantaged olayer at cmpeteing casinos of those i built.. well I must let you all know the truth, the cards can be put at random shuffle or in ORDER shuffle. In Order Shuffle cards can be read. And in my case being an advantaged player as well ,I am not welcomed at most casinos, at those casinos especially those run By Cirsa - Codere they will Order the cards as soon as I hit their tables.The dealers know me and or pit bosses do and will delay the game a bit then the action begins giving dealer constant 20 and 21 and blackjack or extended 2,3,6,7,3,3 amazing but true I just laugh and smile and give their cameras and dealers a thubs up and pla Baccarat or Poker. The know I know what hey do and acceot it and so do I I don't play the house on those games, I can only do it at casinos where I am not known. I somethimes outrack them playing 2 or three hands and back to one hand but they will win, the stacking is made so perfectly and at the end that it wil beat all the changes made or siorientations I have tried. Confromted one day I told them I knew and the said .. ¨so if you know just dont play us in Blackjack or the house stick to holdem Poker nad do not challenge us..¨they told me. All CSM can do it but the One to Sx is the best at it.
SM777
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April 2nd, 2018 at 2:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: JESUS1

YES!, Totally Possible and it is done often!
Especially to ward off unwanted , advantaged or lucky players with high winnings or long streaks-
Unbealivabley done and flawlessley.
I´m sorry to break the is question is on so many forums and no one dares sy the truth.. or it is censured.. I built 3 casinos and have worked tightly with owners.. the mentioned it but after being an aadvantaged olayer at cmpeteing casinos of those i built.. well I must let you all know the truth, the cards can be put at random shuffle or in ORDER shuffle. In Order Shuffle cards can be read. And in my case being an advantaged player as well ,I am not welcomed at most casinos, at those casinos especially those run By Cirsa - Codere they will Order the cards as soon as I hit their tables.The dealers know me and or pit bosses do and will delay the game a bit then the action begins giving dealer constant 20 and 21 and blackjack or extended 2,3,6,7,3,3 amazing but true I just laugh and smile and give their cameras and dealers a thubs up and pla Baccarat or Poker. The know I know what hey do and acceot it and so do I I don't play the house on those games, I can only do it at casinos where I am not known. I somethimes outrack them playing 2 or three hands and back to one hand but they will win, the stacking is made so perfectly and at the end that it wil beat all the changes made or siorientations I have tried. Confromted one day I told them I knew and the said .. ¨so if you know just dont play us in Blackjack or the house stick to holdem Poker nad do not challenge us..¨they told me. All CSM can do it but the One to Sx is the best at it.

Any other made up stories you care to share with the forum?
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April 2nd, 2018 at 3:57:02 PM permalink
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hitme21
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July 29th, 2018 at 11:20:46 PM permalink
I've been playing BJ for over 30 years, all over the world. I've played every BJ Table game imaginable. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the ASM Machine Shuffle games dealt out of a shoe, are much worse than the Hand Shuffle games dealt out of a shoe. Same with double deck. The assumption is that you play basic strategy. I have observed over many years, the countless number of mind boggling losing streaks on machine shuffle games, whereas hand shuffle will have bad losing streaks, but also are balanced by good winning streaks. I don't know how the machine shuffler "clump" the cards, but I can tell you from OBSERVATION and with 100% certainty that the Machine Shuffle BJ will clump the cards to the house's favor. This is a fact. You will push alot on good pat hands. You will bust alot more. The dealer will make their hand (not bust) alot more often on a Machine Shuffle machine. No it's not paranoia, but rather a scientific observation over many many years of playing the game. I base my belief simply on 30+ years of playing BJ. I stress that nobody needs to be able to explain HOW it's done. Knowing it happens thru observation alone, and on a consistent basis, is proof enough for me. If anyone wants to challenge me, they simply don't know any better or work in the industry, and don't want people to know that the Machine Shuffle BJ clumps the cards in the house favor. It's true that a ASM Machine Shuffle game will allow the Casino to deal more hands per hour, but that's a moot point. Finally I will say this... If you want "proof" of How it's done, well I don't need any proof on "how" it's done. I just have to be confident that the Machine shuffle will in fact clump the cards. Again this is thru many years of observation. Think of it this way.... If you move to Las Vegas Nevada, you will notice simply from observation that it is hotter than hell in the Summer year after year. The reality is that you don't need to be a meteorologist with a burden of proof on "how" or "why" it's hotter than hell every Summer. Simply thru many years of living there, and by observation will convince anyone that Las Vegas is, and will in all probability continue to be hotter than hell in all the Summers in the future. I am not interested in debating my point with anyone, because to me, it would be like someone trying to convince me that Las Vegas is cold in the Summer. It's a waste of my time. I know what I know based on 30+ years of playing BJ all over the globe on ASM machine shuffle and Hand Shuffle games. I or anyone who understands this fact, is not paranoid. There is no reason for me to be biased toward one or the other. Stay clear of machine shuffle machines if you play basic strategy. Sure you may find a good machine shuffle game on rare occasions, but over the long haul, you will find that they are full of horrible losing streaks. You will (over the long haul) lose more hands on a Machine Shuffle machine. Period. You can take my advice, or find out the hard way on your own. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Forgive me if someone believes that sounds arrogant, but I am 100% certain that i am right about this fact. I'd like to save players alot of heartache. If you disagree, and insist on playing machine shuffle games, then don't come crying to me the day you finally figure it out on your own dime. If the Casinos are reading this post, then implement Hand Shuffle BJ. You'll see my bright shining face again. Thank you. Have a nice day everyone, and all the best.