Resorts World VIP Opening June 24, 2021
July 9th, 2021 at 6:46:01 AM
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Somebody needs to play some craps and see how that works out!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 9th, 2021 at 7:09:09 AM
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Fair chance I do that tomorrow. Will report back if I do.Quote: DeMangoSomebody needs to play some craps and see how that works out!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
July 9th, 2021 at 7:11:38 AM
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Keep in mind that their most advanced electronic tracking is implemented at the Baccarat tables. When I walked around blackjack and roulette they said that electronic tracking of exact wagers is not done at those tables. Which would seem to contradict what Rick Hutchins said in the article about tracking "every double down."
But again, to know for sure you'd need to GO DOWN THERE and play.
Standing pat on some arm's length email that has already been proven wrong is not the way to go. At least at Baccarat, they are definitely tracking the player.
But again, to know for sure you'd need to GO DOWN THERE and play.
Standing pat on some arm's length email that has already been proven wrong is not the way to go. At least at Baccarat, they are definitely tracking the player.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:26:24 AM
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Added this to the small collection of chips I keep.
Once a dealer commented when saw a couple of the chips I retain, "Well, you'll always have money."
lol maybe yes, but a few hundred dollar chips - if I get down that low, I suppose I'll be in bad shape.
Then again, George Harrison I believe it was used to keep a twenty pound note in the heel of his shoe, which came in handy one night when the Beatles couldn't pay a restaurant tab because each one thought the other was going to pay and none had brought any cash.
Once a dealer commented when saw a couple of the chips I retain, "Well, you'll always have money."
lol maybe yes, but a few hundred dollar chips - if I get down that low, I suppose I'll be in bad shape.
Then again, George Harrison I believe it was used to keep a twenty pound note in the heel of his shoe, which came in handy one night when the Beatles couldn't pay a restaurant tab because each one thought the other was going to pay and none had brought any cash.
Last edited by: MDawg on Jul 9, 2021
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 7:27:10 AM
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Quote: MDawgKeep in mind that their most advanced electronic tracking is implemented at the Baccarat tables. When I walked around blackjack and roulette they said that electronic tracking of exact wagers is not done at those tables. Which would seem to contradict what Rick Hutchins said in the article about tracking "every double down."
But again, to know for sure you'd need to GO DOWN THERE and play.
Standing pat on some arm's length email that has already been proven wrong is not the way to go. At least at Baccarat, they are definitely tracking the player.
You are missing the point, or you're ignoring it.
No one said the casino isnt tracking play at the table. The question is are they tracking you when you move your chips away from the table?
RW says they're not. But they are verifying chips at the cage.
Hi Alan,
Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
July 9th, 2021 at 7:34:57 AM
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Well, what does the phrase "track TO the player" mean? I believe, it refers to assigning a chip TO a player. They are definitely doing that at the tables. At least at the Baccarat tables.
And my research would seem to indicate, based on that I was able to cash the 900 in chips even while I had a marker outstanding, that the cage is not looking up the "status" (assignment) of the chip at the cage, otherwise they would have at least said something like, "You have a marker out but this is only $900. and I'll cash it for you." Instead, nothing, did not ask for my player card, just cashing them quickly, and no looking first at any computer screen or handheld terminal.
That whole email is contradictory, because if they don't track to the player, then how or what are they "verifying ... at cashier during redemptions"? which yes, during redemptions they do bust out their handheld terminal although I am not sure what they are doing with it, other than typing in that I am paying my marker and printing me a Redemption receipt.
And again, we are talking about Resorts World - the fact that some other casino might or might not cash chips with markers outstanding is not relevant, as those other casinos do not track chips to the player.
And my research would seem to indicate, based on that I was able to cash the 900 in chips even while I had a marker outstanding, that the cage is not looking up the "status" (assignment) of the chip at the cage, otherwise they would have at least said something like, "You have a marker out but this is only $900. and I'll cash it for you." Instead, nothing, did not ask for my player card, just cashing them quickly, and no looking first at any computer screen or handheld terminal.
That whole email is contradictory, because if they don't track to the player, then how or what are they "verifying ... at cashier during redemptions"? which yes, during redemptions they do bust out their handheld terminal although I am not sure what they are doing with it, other than typing in that I am paying my marker and printing me a Redemption receipt.
And again, we are talking about Resorts World - the fact that some other casino might or might not cash chips with markers outstanding is not relevant, as those other casinos do not track chips to the player.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:30:58 AM
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Mdawg sometimes you say strange things.
Caesars Palace does not have RFID chips. But Caesars still tracks your play at the tables and the cage knows if you have markers outstanding when you cash chips.
Can you cash chips even with outstanding markers? Yes. I've done it.
Suppose I have two $1000 markers and I go to the cage with $1500 in chips. The cage will pay off one $1000 marker and give me the cash for $500.
The cage can see your table markers on their computer. I dont know of any casino with a marker system that doesn't have a computer hook up. And they dont need RFID chips to do it.
You're making a big deal out of nothing.
Players get rated at tables with or without RFID chips. Cages know about markers with or without RFID chips. Chips can be cashed when they dont cover full markers.
This is old news.
The issue is about tracking players chips after they leave the table. RW says they dont do it. But if they did do it the question would be how? How many sensors would they need?
And if they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.
In fact everything you've told us comes from people you havent identified. No names of pit bosses or dealers or anyone. In fact I dont even know who you are.
What you can do is contact the PR department at RW. I gave you their email address. And they even attributed their statement about tracking chips-- or more precisely NOT tracking chips-- to a NAMED casino executive.
If you really think that the PR department at RW lied then prove your point. Your hearsay won't hold up.
Caesars Palace does not have RFID chips. But Caesars still tracks your play at the tables and the cage knows if you have markers outstanding when you cash chips.
Can you cash chips even with outstanding markers? Yes. I've done it.
Suppose I have two $1000 markers and I go to the cage with $1500 in chips. The cage will pay off one $1000 marker and give me the cash for $500.
The cage can see your table markers on their computer. I dont know of any casino with a marker system that doesn't have a computer hook up. And they dont need RFID chips to do it.
You're making a big deal out of nothing.
Players get rated at tables with or without RFID chips. Cages know about markers with or without RFID chips. Chips can be cashed when they dont cover full markers.
This is old news.
The issue is about tracking players chips after they leave the table. RW says they dont do it. But if they did do it the question would be how? How many sensors would they need?
And if they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.
In fact everything you've told us comes from people you havent identified. No names of pit bosses or dealers or anyone. In fact I dont even know who you are.
What you can do is contact the PR department at RW. I gave you their email address. And they even attributed their statement about tracking chips-- or more precisely NOT tracking chips-- to a NAMED casino executive.
If you really think that the PR department at RW lied then prove your point. Your hearsay won't hold up.
July 9th, 2021 at 8:49:42 AM
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I'm going to have to go right out and say that you apparently not only do not understand the email you received, but you also do not understand how or what is going on at Resorts World. And you keep bringing up other casinos that have no bearing on this issue. You'll need to go to RW and play, as UNJON is planning to do, if you want to get your head around this issue because you are lost.
And when you say things like, <<They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.>> that contradicts what happened at the tables yesterday.
You can't even seem to grasp that the very email you keep touting contradicts itself, because it says that they do not track to the player, and yet also states that they are "verifying...at the cashier." If they don't track to the player, how do they verify anything to do with verifying electronically the provenance of these RFID chips at the cage? Even your source contradicts himself, because Rick Hutchins wrote that they track every "double down," and yet at RW the Blackjack tables are not even being electronically tracked like Baccarat.
And if your idea of being an investigative journalist is sitting at home sending emails or making phone calls, then you're not going to get very far with any of this. You should either go to RW and PLAY, or stick to Red Rock or wherever else you play where you have some real world experience, and tell us how it works at Red Rock.
Speaking of which, you're still confused on the issue of converting cash to casino check. Will never ever happen, and any casino player who thinks you may buy in for say ten grand cash, lose half of it, and then go get a check from the cage for the half left, knows nothing about how any of that works. Your entire research into that matter also consisted of a confusing phone call that you misinterpreted. Let me tell you right now, NO casino will issue a check for even one penny of a cash buy in, never, not for anyone. Checks are issued ONLY for winnings, or for return of front money made by cashier's check or incoming bank wire.
As long as you continue to think that a phone call or email is going to nail down any of these issues, you will not be a useful source for these matters. Please go down there and play and then come back and tell us what happens. Please go buy in for ten grand cash and try to get a casino check without winning, and tell us how it works.
And when you say things like, <<They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.>> that contradicts what happened at the tables yesterday.
You can't even seem to grasp that the very email you keep touting contradicts itself, because it says that they do not track to the player, and yet also states that they are "verifying...at the cashier." If they don't track to the player, how do they verify anything to do with verifying electronically the provenance of these RFID chips at the cage? Even your source contradicts himself, because Rick Hutchins wrote that they track every "double down," and yet at RW the Blackjack tables are not even being electronically tracked like Baccarat.
And if your idea of being an investigative journalist is sitting at home sending emails or making phone calls, then you're not going to get very far with any of this. You should either go to RW and PLAY, or stick to Red Rock or wherever else you play where you have some real world experience, and tell us how it works at Red Rock.
Speaking of which, you're still confused on the issue of converting cash to casino check. Will never ever happen, and any casino player who thinks you may buy in for say ten grand cash, lose half of it, and then go get a check from the cage for the half left, knows nothing about how any of that works. Your entire research into that matter also consisted of a confusing phone call that you misinterpreted. Let me tell you right now, NO casino will issue a check for even one penny of a cash buy in, never, not for anyone. Checks are issued ONLY for winnings, or for return of front money made by cashier's check or incoming bank wire.
As long as you continue to think that a phone call or email is going to nail down any of these issues, you will not be a useful source for these matters. Please go down there and play and then come back and tell us what happens. Please go buy in for ten grand cash and try to get a casino check without winning, and tell us how it works.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:49:42 AM
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 8:52:26 AM
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It seems to me AM and DW are arguing for the sake of arguing. Please stop and go back to the topic.
July 9th, 2021 at 9:34:22 AM
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Mdawg if I dont understand the email I received then why dont you email them and then post the response you get.
Speedy I am responding to the subject. It was Mdawg who brought it up.
Speedy I am responding to the subject. It was Mdawg who brought it up.
July 9th, 2021 at 9:39:01 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonAnd if they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.
The chip identification is not added or removed with each transaction.
Scanners in the table scan chips into and out of the dealer's inventory, and into and out of the player's inventory, as the outcomes are resolved.
The chip ID does not change, its location changes as the chip is moved around the table, or casino.
These are standard inventory control processes, used throughout commerce when items are moved from one location or account to another. The item codes are not added or removed, the location or account code for the item changes...debited or credited from one account to another.
July 9th, 2021 at 9:40:28 AM
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.dupe.
July 9th, 2021 at 9:57:38 AM
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Quote: MDawg
I went down there and played. I won, but that's somewhat besides the point. I drew a marker and while playing I grilled more than one pit boss, asking, "Are the chips really assigned to me?" Answer from all of them: YES. Second question, "What happens if I hand some of my chips to someone else, will the system allow it?" Answer from all of them: "Well, I'll allow it, but the system will let me know that you did it." Follow up third question, "So will those chips then show as belonging to that other player who handed them over? If so, for how long?" Answer: "Well, for a little while I guess. Until the system records those chips as now belonging to the receiving player."
For further real world details just refer back to the actual complete post, where two yellow 1000 chips of mine were at least for a bit of time electronically retained by the system as belonging to me, even after being returned to the house tray.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 9:59:22 AM
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Quote: coachbellyYou are correct...so it may not be so simple to pass them during your bathroom scenario, a scan at a table or the cage could detect that.
Coach, I wasn't specifically talking about passing chipped cheques. Loosen up your perspective here.
What MDawg said was that the monogramming allegedly stopped cheques from being passed between players at the same table to prevent tandem bets that would circumvent house limits. (Okay -- maybe for blackjack. But baccarat? C'mon, man.)
But all that aside -- the issue isn't cheques at a table. The argument MDawg was making was regarding preventing some shared bankroll arrangement. Let's say some blokes went to a table to double team a positive blackjack count or a sloppy dealer and one almost goes broke. All they have to do is take a smoke break and re-capitalize the broke dude with cash. It has nothing to do with the chipped cheques.
Versteh?
I know nothing, but I think you're looking at this backwards. The chipped cheques are to prevent counterfeiting and to impose a kind of permanent ongoing accounting record for all cheques above a certain denomination. Any player tracking accuracy is a side effect, a fortuitous aside, not the main thrust of the tracking.
It takes a certain attitude to presume that the primary purpose of chipped cheques is to track players and rate them accurately. I'm going to describe that attitude as exceptionally narcissistic and more than slightly naive.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
July 9th, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM
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Quote: redietzWhat MDawg said was that the monogramming allegedly stopped cheques from being passed between players at the same table to prevent tandem bets that would circumvent house limits. (Okay -- maybe for blackjack. But baccarat? C'mon, man.)
I respect the fact that REDietz states for the record that "I 'Know Nothing.'" (Wasn't that a political party, that actually was quite opinionated and claimed to know everything?)
However, when he opines that the house doesn't care about House Limits on BACCARAT that shows knowing less than nothing. Yes they care, and they enforce this all the time! I've seen it many times at public Bacc tables where a player is betting to the limit and his buddy tries to place even a few chips on the same side wager (bank or player) and it is disallowed because the chips came from the main player. One bankroll. One betting limit.
If the House didn't care about table max limits, they wouldn't make players like me get huge credit lines to be able to bet beyond these publicly posted limits. But every player has a table max limit, whether posted or special and the casino does not allow it to be circumvented.
What I find interesting, is that at least at Baccarat, one may obtain a million dollar line, even a ten million dollar line, and still just bet 100 at one's private table. The high credit line gets a Reserved private table and a higher table max, but no minimum is imposed other than the standard 100 at the High Limit salon.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 9th, 2021 at 10:35:36 AM
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Quote: redietzCoach, I wasn't specifically talking about passing chipped cheques.
Quote: redietzat the table because the chips are monogrammed to individual players at the tables. But then the monogramming is turned off once they leave the tables. You know, the simple way to circumvent that is plan beforehand and then leave the table simultaneously for the bathroom.
All monogrammed chips are chipped cheques, but not all chipped cheques are monogrammed?
LOL...OK, we got it...buddy.
July 9th, 2021 at 11:18:51 AM
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Coach, I am so very happy you wrote this:
Now, since I've reported on RFID technology and have interviewed manufacturers, would you please tell me which manufacturer's system does this automatically?
I have never heard of such an automated system.
I only know of systems where chips are scanned and then the dealer or boxman must link the new chips to a player's account when won, and then must be deleted from a player's account when lost. I do not know of scanners that "know" to add or subtract the specific ID numbers to/from a specific player.
This is why I said initially that to add or subtract chips would delay the game. That delay comes from inputting the player's name or account number.
I really would like to talk to this manufacturer about their automated system that you seem to know exists.
I admit I've never heard of the maker.
By the way, consider how long it takes to record a buy-in at a table's computer. It could take thirty seconds or more for the floor person or boxman to enter the player's ID.
If the system is not automated the way you say it is, at a table with four players this could mean a two to four minute delay between hands, deals, or rolls of the dice.
Quote: coachbellyScanners in the table scan chips into and out of the dealer's inventory, and into and out of the player's inventory, as the outcomes are resolved.
Now, since I've reported on RFID technology and have interviewed manufacturers, would you please tell me which manufacturer's system does this automatically?
I have never heard of such an automated system.
I only know of systems where chips are scanned and then the dealer or boxman must link the new chips to a player's account when won, and then must be deleted from a player's account when lost. I do not know of scanners that "know" to add or subtract the specific ID numbers to/from a specific player.
This is why I said initially that to add or subtract chips would delay the game. That delay comes from inputting the player's name or account number.
I really would like to talk to this manufacturer about their automated system that you seem to know exists.
I admit I've never heard of the maker.
By the way, consider how long it takes to record a buy-in at a table's computer. It could take thirty seconds or more for the floor person or boxman to enter the player's ID.
If the system is not automated the way you say it is, at a table with four players this could mean a two to four minute delay between hands, deals, or rolls of the dice.
July 9th, 2021 at 11:32:38 AM
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Quote: redietzThe chipped cheques are to prevent counterfeiting and to impose a kind of permanent ongoing accounting record for all cheques above a certain denomination. Any player tracking accuracy is a side effect, a fortuitous aside, not the main thrust of the tracking.
Redietz I'm going to slightly disagree with you. When RFID chips and table scanners were first introduced at the Global Gaming Expo player tracking, anti counterfeiting and inventory control were all equally promoted.
The first demonstration was at a blackjack table. And accurate player tracking was heavily promoted because of the low casino margins in that game.
I covered that for KCAL. It was viewed as a big move to help consumers get fair ratings when they changed their bets and a way to protect casinos from over comping players.
July 9th, 2021 at 12:02:28 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonNow, since I've reported on RFID technology and have interviewed manufacturers, would you please tell me which manufacturer's system does this automatically?
Ask this guy, he'll have the name of the manufacturer...
“It’s all RFID,” casino operations chief Rick Hutchins said, referring to radio-frequency identification technology built into the first new Las Vegas resort to open since 2010. “The table knows exactly what I’m betting.”
“I have $25 on the spot, the RFID chip knows that, and the (table) antenna underneath it. And if I bet these side bets, it also knows that as well,” Hutchins explained.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI have never heard of such an automated system.
Maybe you missed much of what was written earlier, here's a synopsis...
Quote: MDawgAs far as betting, at Baccarat, the computer system senses the value of the chips placed on the Bank or Player wager spots, and then tells the dealer exactly how much has been bet, and how much to pay out after each win.
All bets, Bank, Player, and all side bets, are placed on a section of the table that corresponds to your "number" at the Baccarat table, so that the system is able to track your exact bets, winnings, and chips.
The system keeps track of every bet and calculates your average, The system also keeps track of the hours played. There is no question that the system knows what chips you have - or rather, should have - at all times and keeps track.
July 9th, 2021 at 12:16:01 PM
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But Coach... where was the automatic process described?
Hi Alan,
Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
Hi Alan,
Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
July 9th, 2021 at 12:25:12 PM
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Two $1,000 chips say they have FUBAR'ed the system a bit.
July 9th, 2021 at 12:32:51 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonwhere was the automatic process described?
It was described in several posts earlier in this thread.
The system keeps track of every bet and calculates your average, The system also keeps track of the hours played. There is no question that the system knows what chips you have - or rather, should have - at all times and keeps track.
“The table knows exactly what I’m betting. I have $25 on the spot, the RFID chip knows that, and the (table) antenna underneath it. And if I bet these side bets, it also knows that as well,” Hutchins explained.
MDawg's reports, Hutchins' quotes, and the note you received, all describe an automated system.
There's no mention of a boxman, dealer or any human being entering anything after each hand...you made that up.
You should visit RW, witness what actually happens, and then report back.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI yield to both Mdawg and Coach Belly. They know.
I will say nothing more.
July 9th, 2021 at 1:36:10 PM
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Quote: coachbellyIt was described in several posts earlier in this thread.
It was described by whom? Anonymous players who talked to unnamed dealers and pit bosses?
Never mind. I emailed the PR department at RW. I will post their response. Since its Friday I dont expect a response till next week.
July 9th, 2021 at 1:56:09 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI emailed the PR department at RW. I will post their response.
Please post the email that you sent, so that we can see what questions you asked,
you didn't provide that here the last time that you emailed them.
In the meantime, you have all weekend to visit the casino and witness the system for yourself.
July 9th, 2021 at 2:11:22 PM
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Fair request Coach. Here's what I sent:
When a player wins a bet and is paid with RFID chips are those additional chips added to the players RFID chip tally or record of "owned chips"?
Conversely, when a player loses a bet and loses RFID chips to the table does the casino's system record that transfer of the RFID chip from the player to the table?
Or, is this technology not available?
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I did not ask if this record keeping was automatic or done with some manual participation because frankly it doesn't matter. I dont think the casino tracks the chip transfers at all based on their previous email:
Hi Alan,
Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
When a player wins a bet and is paid with RFID chips are those additional chips added to the players RFID chip tally or record of "owned chips"?
Conversely, when a player loses a bet and loses RFID chips to the table does the casino's system record that transfer of the RFID chip from the player to the table?
Or, is this technology not available?
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I did not ask if this record keeping was automatic or done with some manual participation because frankly it doesn't matter. I dont think the casino tracks the chip transfers at all based on their previous email:
Hi Alan,
Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables as well as verifying in the trays and at cashier during redemptions. We have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
July 9th, 2021 at 2:39:08 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonOr, is this technology not available?
Didn't the VP answer this question already?
Quote: AlanMendelsonWe have the ability to track to the player, but have not chosen to use that option at this time.
But no harm in asking again.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI did not ask if this record keeping was automatic or done with some manual participation because frankly it doesn't matter. I dont think the casino tracks the chip transfers at all based on their previous email:
Then how would they have an accurate record of the player's results?
They are tracking the bets, who made them, how much, and whether they won or lost.
"Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables"
Anyway, you raised the issue about the mechanics of tracking chips to the player.
Quote: AlanMendelsonif they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.
So you asked a player to explain how this could be done, but then didn't ask the casino how it could be done?
Do I have that correct?
July 9th, 2021 at 3:02:37 PM
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Casino, Cash and IRS (Short Version) - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS1aM-5x4_g
Casino employees are trained to play dumb and to report you for asking questions they are playing too dumb to answer.
Casino employees are trained to play dumb and to report you for asking questions they are playing too dumb to answer.
July 9th, 2021 at 3:34:37 PM
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Quote: coachbellyDidn't the VP answer this question already?
But no harm in asking again.
Then how would they have an accurate record of the player's results?
They are tracking the bets, who made them, how much, and whether they won or lost.
"Per our VP of Casino Operations Rick Hutchins:
We are currently using them for accurate player ratings at the tables"
Anyway, you raised the issue about the mechanics of tracking chips to the player.Quote: AlanMendelsonif they assigned specific chips to a player what are the mechanics for doing it? They'd have to have a system of removing chip identification when players lost bets, and they'd have to add chip identification when players are paid in chips from the table's bank. You havent addressed how that is done or even if it is done.
So you asked a player to explain how this could be done, but then didn't ask the casino how it could be done?
Do I have that correct?
It amazes me that you can argue both sides of an issue or question.
You just listed my responses to your assertions.
Is there a term to describe that?
July 9th, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM
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.dupe.
July 9th, 2021 at 3:53:44 PM
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Quote: coachbellyNope, I never asked anyone how this could be done.
This looks like a misquote of a question you asked and not asked by AlanMendelson. Was it intentional?
July 9th, 2021 at 3:56:17 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonYou just listed my responses to your assertions.
I'm not sure what you mean, I quoted you then asked you questions about statements you made.
July 9th, 2021 at 4:04:06 PM
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Quote: KeeneoneThis looks like a misquote of a question you asked and not asked by AlanMendelson. Was it intentional?
Not intentional, I typically quote the whole post then delete much of it to isolate the section I want to reply to.
This time I isolated the wrong section.
July 9th, 2021 at 4:18:30 PM
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Quote: coachbellyQuote: KeeneoneThis looks like a misquote of a question you asked and not asked by AlanMendelson. Was it intentional?
Not intentional, I typically quote the whole post then delete much of it to isolate the section I want to reply to.
This time I isolated the wrong section.
Ok. But you actually answered your own question in the post (see screenshot below)
And why did you edit it as "dupe". Wouldn't "error", or "sorry", or "my mistake" be more accurate?
For someone who parses the words and language used on this site to the extreme, I guess I expected more exactness...
July 9th, 2021 at 4:33:32 PM
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Quote: KeeneoneI expected more exactness...
I got distracted during the reply process, with multiple posts open in multiple windows for reference.
When I returned to the reply window, I considered the question to have been asked to me by Alan, as a touche gesture on his part, as that was the formatting I mistakenly created during the editing of his complete quote.
I used .dupe. because I duplicated my own question.
Does that pass your exactness test?
July 9th, 2021 at 4:42:12 PM
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I really like the music in the Resorts World commercial:
July 10th, 2021 at 9:15:27 AM
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Anyone who goes down and plays at the Baccarat tables will be able to verify what is truly happening. The emails being sent are confused, and appear to be coming from someone who doesn't seem to understand any of this. I mean the writer hasn't even clarified that he is asking about specifically how advanced the system is and how it works at the high limit BACC tables, which is different from the extent to which it has been actuated at the blackjack or roulette tables. Which is why the responses coming back are unclear as well. Garbage in, garbage out.
For something like this, you need to go down there mano a mano and ask questions and PLAY. Reminds me of a salesman unwilling to go down and meet his potential clients, hoping to make sales without leaving his house or office. GET DOWN THERE AND PLAY!
Otherwise, forgetaboutit!
Anyway getting back to Resorts World, in the Crockford's high limit lounge they will serve up high end food, and this same food is available for room service - not just the mediocre food available in styrofoam containers via the On The Fly / GrubHub app, but the real thing - full service room service - but is currently available only in the Crockford's rooms.
One thing Resorts World is having no problem attracting is high rollers with stacks of yellow chips. As long as that keeps up they will be maintaining their high falutin' attitude!
For something like this, you need to go down there mano a mano and ask questions and PLAY. Reminds me of a salesman unwilling to go down and meet his potential clients, hoping to make sales without leaving his house or office. GET DOWN THERE AND PLAY!
Otherwise, forgetaboutit!
Anyway getting back to Resorts World, in the Crockford's high limit lounge they will serve up high end food, and this same food is available for room service - not just the mediocre food available in styrofoam containers via the On The Fly / GrubHub app, but the real thing - full service room service - but is currently available only in the Crockford's rooms.
One thing Resorts World is having no problem attracting is high rollers with stacks of yellow chips. As long as that keeps up they will be maintaining their high falutin' attitude!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
July 10th, 2021 at 9:55:39 AM
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Paris Hilton and her friends could play there for years and not lose a dollar.
July 10th, 2021 at 2:31:12 PM
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How so????Quote: ChumpChangeParis Hilton and her friends could play there for years and not lose a dollar.
July 11th, 2021 at 10:47:23 AM
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This might belong additionally in the thread on Casinos robbing customers, and "The fees!" thread, but this is what $105. will get you via their room service app at Resorts World. From our stay last week.
Each dish comes in a fabricated container, and isn't very much food. Yes, it's comp'ed, but so what? the fees added and outrageous prices drive you to leave a minimal tip for the GrubHub delivery agent, who is just going up and down the elevator anyway, not driving anywhere.
I can't imagine anyone who is not on a full comp being able to tolerate paying this much for average quality, small portion food. It insults my sensibilities, even comp'ed.
Each dish comes in a fabricated container, and isn't very much food. Yes, it's comp'ed, but so what? the fees added and outrageous prices drive you to leave a minimal tip for the GrubHub delivery agent, who is just going up and down the elevator anyway, not driving anywhere.
I can't imagine anyone who is not on a full comp being able to tolerate paying this much for average quality, small portion food. It insults my sensibilities, even comp'ed.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
July 11th, 2021 at 11:57:55 AM
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So I did go check out RW on Saturday late morning and early afternoon. I liked it. Crockford entrance is gorgeous. Then you walk through the high limit baccarat area. After stopping at casino office, I played roulette in the HL room (I’m not a fan of the game, but my buddy wanted to play). And I also checked out their craps tables. I rolled a little of crapsless because it was one of two tables open and the other one was packed to the gills.
While at roulette, spoke with the dealer and the pit boss. It was slow and only me and my friend playing for about an hour or so.
According to that roulette pit boss:
1) The chips are RFID with various functionality depending on the game.
2) Craps and roulette and carnival games do not use any of the functionality. But the pit boss expects it will eventually be used there.
3) I can confirm from my experience that the chips were not logged to me or used to generate my color up in any functioning tracking system. When we cashed out at the cage, the cashier physically walked over to the roulette table to confirm our chips. There was no automatic notation in her system.
4) According to the pit boss, the system is working at blackjack tables to log bet sizes. This is stated to be done for the purpose of accurate ratings. Apparently you place a bit in the betting circle and the system can automatically figure out what you bet. No need for the pit boss to enter it. I’m sure the casino thinks it will act as a counting deterrent also. I didn’t play BJ there so cannot comment on any experience with the system.
5) According to the roulette pit boss, the functionality is currently highest at high limit baccarat area where they track bets, cash ins and cash outs (so it does more than they use at blackjack). I didn’t play over there so cannot speak to any experience there.
Hopefully the above helpful for triangulating.
Also @deMango if he reads: the crapsless table let you buy the outside (and extreme outside) with numbers and pay vig on win. Got to love that variance and low house edge from buying the 2 and 12.
While at roulette, spoke with the dealer and the pit boss. It was slow and only me and my friend playing for about an hour or so.
According to that roulette pit boss:
1) The chips are RFID with various functionality depending on the game.
2) Craps and roulette and carnival games do not use any of the functionality. But the pit boss expects it will eventually be used there.
3) I can confirm from my experience that the chips were not logged to me or used to generate my color up in any functioning tracking system. When we cashed out at the cage, the cashier physically walked over to the roulette table to confirm our chips. There was no automatic notation in her system.
4) According to the pit boss, the system is working at blackjack tables to log bet sizes. This is stated to be done for the purpose of accurate ratings. Apparently you place a bit in the betting circle and the system can automatically figure out what you bet. No need for the pit boss to enter it. I’m sure the casino thinks it will act as a counting deterrent also. I didn’t play BJ there so cannot comment on any experience with the system.
5) According to the roulette pit boss, the functionality is currently highest at high limit baccarat area where they track bets, cash ins and cash outs (so it does more than they use at blackjack). I didn’t play over there so cannot speak to any experience there.
Hopefully the above helpful for triangulating.
Also @deMango if he reads: the crapsless table let you buy the outside (and extreme outside) with numbers and pay vig on win. Got to love that variance and low house edge from buying the 2 and 12.
Last edited by: unJon on Jul 11, 2021
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:22:50 PM
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COVID cases climb across Nevada. Where's those RFID chips in yourselves to prove you've been inoculated?
July 11th, 2021 at 1:01:29 PM
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Thank you unJon. Be assured I will castigate those crapless thieves in Biloxi who have vig on win with the outside numbers yet charge vig upfront on the extremes!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 11th, 2021 at 4:17:56 PM
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The rapid rise of Delta variant cases and virus outbreaks combined with the state’s low vaccination rate led the Mississippi Department of Health to release a slew of new COVID-related guidelines on Friday.
The new recommendations, which will stay in place through July 26, are:
All Mississippi residents ages 65 and older, as well as anyone with a chronic underlying medical condition, should avoid all indoor mass gatherings regardless of their vaccination status.
All unvaccinated Mississippians wear a mask when indoors in public settings.
All Mississippians 12 years of age and older get vaccinated.
The new recommendations, which will stay in place through July 26, are:
All Mississippi residents ages 65 and older, as well as anyone with a chronic underlying medical condition, should avoid all indoor mass gatherings regardless of their vaccination status.
All unvaccinated Mississippians wear a mask when indoors in public settings.
All Mississippians 12 years of age and older get vaccinated.
July 12th, 2021 at 1:42:45 PM
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Quote: unJonAccording to the roulette pit boss, the functionality is currently highest at high limit baccarat area where they track bets, cash ins and cash outs (so it does more than they use at blackjack). I didn’t play over there so cannot speak to any experience there.
Correct at Baccarat they are tracking chips to the player, tracking bet sizes and payouts, and tracking time, all automatically. The system is buggy and makes mistakes routinely that the pit bosses must override.
In general, you must go to Roulette, Blackjack or Baccarat and PLAY for a period of time and do your own experiments to know exactly what is being done with those electronic chips. It is misguided thinking to believe that you'll get to the bottom of these sorts of matters without going down to the casino yourself and PLAYING.
Last edited by: MDawg on Jul 12, 2021
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
July 12th, 2021 at 2:10:09 PM
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Hi Alan,
We aren’t able to elaborate any more, we would like to stick to our initial answer we provided.
Thank you,
Dana
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
We aren’t able to elaborate any more, we would like to stick to our initial answer we provided.
Thank you,
Dana
Public Relations Department
PR@rwlasvegas.com
July 12th, 2021 at 5:25:39 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonWe aren’t able to elaborate any more
Cliff Booth to Squeaky - "Impossible. Why is that impossible?"
July 15th, 2021 at 9:15:10 PM
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And this is one of the #1 recurring songs played these days in the Resorts World high limit pit.
I don’t mind. It’s actually a good song. I wasn’t familiar with it. I am now. It seems like I am winning whenever they play this song. Actually, I am winning most of the time no matter what song they are playing, but during this one particularly.
I don’t mind. It’s actually a good song. I wasn’t familiar with it. I am now. It seems like I am winning whenever they play this song. Actually, I am winning most of the time no matter what song they are playing, but during this one particularly.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
July 19th, 2021 at 3:13:49 PM
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Wonder how the Grubhub person is chosen for this location?Quote: MDawgThis might belong additionally in the thread on Casinos robbing customers, and "The fees!" thread, but this is what $105. will get you via their room service app at Resorts World. From our stay last week.
Each dish comes in a fabricated container, and isn't very much food. Yes, it's comp'ed, but so what?
the fees added and outrageous prices drive you to leave a minimal tip for the GrubHub delivery agent, who is just going up and down the elevator anyway, not driving anywhere.
or are there a few of them just hanging out in the lobby, frequently refreshing their Grubhub app and hoping to Snipe a delivery order?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 19th, 2021 at 3:49:39 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if RW made a deal with Grubhub to have them staff the deliveries. This way RW doesn't have to hire anyone.
Next... contract with Uber for limo drivers.
Next... contract with Uber for limo drivers.
