A NY AP move
I also don't want to make the forum divisive again.
And apparently, even joking about it could get one suspended for trolling (so I better put something up here to avoid suspension.)
So, I will not expose the AP move but I will give you some breadcrumbs. I seriously doubt anyone will figure it out. If someone does, they are probably a master AP already.
So here goes.
This AP opportunity is currently operational and valid.
The AP opportunity is available in all NY casinos.
The AP opportunity is due to a requirement mandated by NY state gambling law.
It is quite lucrative, worth thousands to someone who can determine the best way to exploit it.
It is neither a promotion, glitch or gaffe.
Even if you figure out what the specific law is, that doesn't tell you what the AP move is.
Even if you figure out what the AP move is, that doesn't tell you the optimal way to exploit it.
The optimal way to exploit it will differ from casino to casino.
There are multiple ways to exploit it, some optimal, some not.
There are multiple outcomes you can achieve by using this AP move.
Good luck trying to figure it out. Since I needs be mum, that is all I will divulge.
Feel free to discuss it in this thread. (This should be interesting.)
http://www.rwnewyork.com/about-resorts-world?catid=0&id=155
But, for any legitimate AP worth his salt who's able to figure out new plays or how to attack something (ie: someone who goes above & beyond the typical "AP stuff")....if he figures out what this supposed (is it pronounced supposed as it "suh-poe-zzd" or "suh-poe-zed"??) law is, it likely wouldn't be too difficult to figure out how it can be exploited, as well as a good way to attack it.
Although "worth thousands" is a bit ambiguous. $0.25 FPDW is worth thousands, you just gotta play for at least 106 hours at 1000 HPH.
Quote: darkozThere are multiple outcomes you can achieve by using this AP move.
Dafuq?
Quote: RS
Although "worth thousands" is a bit ambiguous. $0.25 FPDW is worth thousands, you just gotta play for at least 106 hours at 1000 HPH.
Or, just have your buddy call you when he finds a 100 play FPDW. :)
Quote: DRichOr, just have your buddy call you when he finds a 100 play FPDW. :)
It's only better than the Plaza info if you can figure it out.
I doubt anyone will.
But you're welcome to try.
Quote: WizardofnothingSo basically you are trolling so to speak on putting this out there
No, I'm respecting everyone's wish for me not to reveal an AP move on here while still exercising my right to free speech.
Are you saying AP moves cannot even be mentioned as existing any longer?
I've put information up that is truthful. I've expressed my doubt that anyone will figure it out.
That is not trolling. Challenging, yes, not trolling.
Quote: darkozreceived impassioned and (polite) requests not to reveal any move (even though I discussed with no one what it would be).
Completely untrue
Quote: TomGCompletely untrue
Have you read my pm's?
I did not say you sent them.
Quote: GWAEWow troll thread then apology for the troll thread then another troll thread.just wow
Actually I apologized for posting the Plaza thread which people claim cost them actual profit. And I still apologize for that.
This thread threatens the income of no one on here. None of you guys are aware of this AP move, the law in question or are even in NY.
If the AP's on here now wish to determine the rules of this forum I suggest you take that up with the mods. But I am allowed to post info that is truthful and related to gambling.
And I didn't even say what the actual AP play or the law in NYS was, lol.
Quote: darkozHave you read my pm's?
I did not say you sent them.
I would have no problem laying 10 to 1 if there was a reliable way to grade it
and this is why:
Quote: darkoz(even though I discussed with no one what it would be).
If no one else knows what it is, no one would ever ask you to refrain from talking about it. It may very well be "Play poker against weak players," or "bet the table minimum in negative counts and the table max when the true count is +3 or higher."
I got an awesome system, I make thousands every day I never lose. No one has ever thought of this system and its fools proof, it cannot lose. Bacarats so ez to win, you just gotta think outside the box.
Nothing to do with patterns or the cards or how much you bet. It's just so easy but none of u will think of it.
He apologies, then starts another sh Storm
Quote: WizardofnothingPosters like that are why the forum isn't what it use to be imo
He apologies, then starts another sh Storm
Yes this sounds like a waste of time. Nobody cares about a free buffet coupon that he's scalping
Quote: djatcYes this sounds like a waste of time. Nobody cares about a free buffet coupon that he's scalping
What about a disguise? Want to buy a high quality nose/glasses combo? It has eyebrows and everything!
Quote: RSStarting to sound like some of the system bettors.....
I got an awesome system, I make thousands every day I never lose. No one has ever thought of this system and its fools proof, it cannot lose. Bacarats so ez to win, you just gotta think outside the box.
Nothing to do with patterns or the cards or how much you bet. It's just so easy but none of u will think of it.
Actually I do have an AP move that I make thousands every day and I never lose.
But that one you guys aren't getting from me.
This AP move is something I moved on from a while back. Even if you guys manage to figure out what it is, it will have no affect on my bottom line. In fact, if you guys can earn some money with it and take the casinos, I am perfectly happy with that.
Sorry you guys are upset you have to now earn the move. Or should I simply post it for all to see?
ETA: Maybe you mean thousands of pennies a day.
Quote: darkozActually I do have an AP move that I make thousands every day and I never lose.
Come on DarkOz..... I'll even assume 'thousands' is the lowest plural, at $2,000. If you have found a repeatable play worth over $700,000 a year, I would think the last thing you would want to do is alert anyone to it.
Before this recent thread, which I do believe is trolling, nothing more, nothing less, I did find your previous dust up about the Plaza promotion at least defensible.
And you 'moved on' from an AP play worth 'thousands a day'? Please.......
He also said its not mail a glitch or promo so I'm not sure what that leaves since there are no love dealer games in nyc- the best it could be would be points but if it's awarding too many points that would be a glitch
Quote: darkozI promised a NY AP move exposed here but received impassioned and (polite) requests not to reveal any move (even though I discussed with no one what it would be).
I also don't want to make the forum divisive again.
And apparently, even joking about it could get one suspended for trolling (so I better put something up here to avoid suspension.)
So, I will not expose the AP move but I will give you some breadcrumbs. I seriously doubt anyone will figure it out. If someone does, they are probably a master AP already.
So here goes.
This AP opportunity is currently operational and valid.
The AP opportunity is available in all NY casinos.
The AP opportunity is due to a requirement mandated by NY state gambling law. . . .
Well. I don't know what this opportunity is, so I cannot be accused of revealing it . . . But might this bit of NY statute be relevant?
I.e. Is welching enshrined in NY law?
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/New-York/
Sec. 5-419. Property staked may be recovered.
Any person who shall pay, deliver or deposit any money, property or thing in action, upon the event of any wager or bet prohibited, may sue for and recover the same of the winner or person to whom the same shall be paid or delivered, and of the stakeholder or other person in whose hands shall be deposited any such wager, bet or stake, or any part thereof, whether the same shall have been paid over by such stakeholder or not, and whether any such wager be lost or not.
Sec. 5-421. Losers of certain sums may recover them.
Every person who shall, by playing at any game, or by betting on the sides or hands of such as do play, lose at any time or sitting, the sum or value of twenty-five dollars or upwards, and shall pay or deliver the same or any part thereof, may, within three calendar months after such payment or delivery, sue for and recover the money or value of the things so lost and paid or delivered, from the winner thereof.
Sec. 5-423. Money paid for lottery tickets may be recovered by action.
Any person who shall purchase any share, interest, ticket, certificate of any share or interest, or part of a ticket, or any paper or instrument purporting to be a ticket or share or interest in any ticket, or purporting to be a certificate of any share or interest in any ticket, or in any portion of any lottery, may sue for and recover double the sum of money, and double the value of goods or things in action, which he may have paid or delivered in consideration of such purchase, with double costs of suit.
Humour me DarkOz? Am I on the right track?
For the time being, while it may or may not have been advisable for DarkOz to create this thread, I fail to see how it rises to the level of Trolling, for a variety of reasons:
1.) Discussion of an Advantage Play
-The premise of the thread is to discuss an advantage play that DarkOz claims exists in the State of New York. He claims that this is a very valuable Advantage Play, and apparently for that reason, would rather give clues as to what the play is rather than directly spell it out. This fails to rise to the level of Trolling because, at least in terms of what many professional AP's on here both say and do, they would rather not specifically discuss the particulars and how-to's of an ongoing Advantage Play, and in fact, would rather not discuss ways to beat past Advantage Plays (such as Promotions) if it is possible that the play may happen again in some other form as long as it is not discussed.
With that said, while many AP's would prefer a specific play not be discussed at all publicly, if it is to be discussed, then discussing it in vague terms is what many AP's seem to prefer. Discussing it in vague terms is precisely what DarkOz has done so far, therefore, I cannot see how he is doing anything wrong in this regard.
2.) Discussion of Expected Value of the Play
-In this case, DarkOz has claimed that, 'Thousands,' of dollars can be made, per day, via this play. While that seems like an extraordinary, and I am using that word in the sense to mean, 'Highly unusual,' daily Expected Profit, there are certainly other AP plays that have potential for these kind of earnings, including one that was discussed here just recently that also involved DarkOz. Therefore, I must conclude that it is theoretically possible that there does exist a play that can yield thousands of dollars per day in profits, perhaps the play is simply not available every single day or must be used sparingly for fear of something changing and the play no longer working as it once did. I don't know that, because at this point, I am just as clueless as anyone else as to what this play could be and have spent zero time trying to figure it out.
Bearing this in mind, based on what DarkOz has stated, it cannot be proven that he is lying. If he cannot be proven to be lying, then he is not Trolling as a result of these claims.
Besides, system players have gotten away with stuff that is WAY more implausible than this without being Banned for Trolling.
CONCLUSION:
In conclusion, there is nothing that DarkOz has said in this thread, pursuant to my interpretation, that could possibly rise to the level of Trolling.
Maybe he is just fishing hoping someone gives him. Info on a play
Quote: Mission146On Trolling:
For the time being, while it may or may not have been advisable for DarkOz to create this thread, I fail to see how it rises to the level of Trolling, for a variety of reasons:
1.) Discussion of an Advantage Play
-The premise of the thread is to discuss an advantage play that DarkOz claims exists in the State of New York. He claims that this is a very valuable Advantage Play, and apparently for that reason, would rather give clues as to what the play is rather than directly spell it out. This fails to rise to the level of Trolling because, at least in terms of what many professional AP's on here both say and do, they would rather not specifically discuss the particulars and how-to's of an ongoing Advantage Play, and in fact, would rather not discuss ways to beat past Advantage Plays (such as Promotions) if it is possible that the play may happen again in some other form as long as it is not discussed.
With that said, while many AP's would prefer a specific play not be discussed at all publicly, if it is to be discussed, then discussing it in vague terms is what many AP's seem to prefer. Discussing it in vague terms is precisely what DarkOz has done so far, therefore, I cannot see how he is doing anything wrong in this regard.
2.) Discussion of Expected Value of the Play
-In this case, DarkOz has claimed that, 'Thousands,' of dollars can be made, per day, via this play. While that seems like an extraordinary, and I am using that word in the sense to mean, 'Highly unusual,' daily Expected Profit, there are certainly other AP plays that have potential for these kind of earnings, including one that was discussed here just recently that also involved DarkOz. Therefore, I must conclude that it is theoretically possible that there does exist a play that can yield thousands of dollars per day in profits, perhaps the play is simply not available every single day or must be used sparingly for fear of something changing and the play no longer working as it once did. I don't know that, because at this point, I am just as clueless as anyone else as to what this play could be and have spent zero time trying to figure it out.
Bearing this in mind, based on what DarkOz has stated, it cannot be proven that he is lying. If he cannot be proven to be lying, then he is not Trolling as a result of these claims.
Besides, system players have gotten away with stuff that is WAY more implausible than this without being Banned for Trolling.
CONCLUSION:
In conclusion, there is nothing that DarkOz has said in this thread, pursuant to my interpretation, that could possibly rise to the level of Trolling.
What Mission said.
I gotta a couple K, if DarkOz wants to give me (for free) some way to increase that amount, I could only be appreciative. I understand fully, well mostly fully, the thoughts of others that dislike too much detail about this and that opportunity being publicaly posted. Makes perfect sense.
However, I am available via PM and any crumbs that I find in my mailbox I will eat. I am always hungry ;-)
I truthfully, consider that term 'truthfully', I do not understand or comprehend the purpose of this Thread.
This Thread after what I thought was an admirable re-entry post here, that post from DarkOz.
For me to be somewhat befuddled is nuttin' new, I'm used to it....
The only caveat to this that I will give is that, without actually going to New York and trying to do the play myself, I have no means of concluding, first-hand, that the play actually works. However, with that being said, as long as everything that DarkOz detailed to me works as he said it works, then DarkOz's play could plausibly work.
With that said, based on what DarkOz has stated in this thread, the only aspect of it I disagree with is him saying that it is not a, 'Glitch.' In the sense that I would use the term, and this might be just a semantics disagreement between DarkOz and myself, but I would say that it is partially because of a glitch.
Quote: Mission146In order for me to satisfy the question of whether DarkOz is Trolling or Baiting more fully, DarkOz has offered to tell me the specific play as long as I do not mention it to anyone else until such time that he has decided whether or not he is going to publicly spell it out.
The only caveat to this that I will give is that, without actually going to New York and trying to do the play myself, I have no means of concluding, first-hand, that the play actually works. However, with that being said, as long as everything that DarkOz detailed to me works as he said it works, then DarkOz's play could plausibly work.
With that said, based on what DarkOz has stated in this thread, the only aspect of it I disagree with is him saying that it is not a, 'Glitch.' In the sense that I would use the term, and this might be just a semantics disagreement between DarkOz and myself, but I would say that it is partially because of a glitch.
do you think he is really crushing it for thousands per day?
Now we see the value in the nasty job of administrator.
You get the details first....
Is there an online application or sumtin' I can fill out?
Just 2F, just the feathered one....
Quote: Mission146In order for me to satisfy the question of whether DarkOz is Trolling or Baiting more fully, DarkOz has offered to tell me the specific play as long as I do not mention it to anyone else until such time that he has decided whether or not he is going to publicly spell it out.
What an excellent compromise. Let's all honour it.
I think an assessment by Mission on the lines of
"The advantage clearly has no merit"
through to
"The advantage does seem to have a lot of merit"
would be most illuminating and take the topic away from the issue of trolling/baiting back to where it should be, wherever that is.
If he found it - he would never leave - just like the two plays I found and played until they were cut off- I certainly would not leave for Ac for a couple days in the middle of them
I'm reality the fact that he doesn't think it's a glitch speaks wonders of what he really does and does not know
Just messin' wid ya, you had it coming from a day or two ago ;-)
Oh, you forgot?
I'm telling no secrets, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes ;-)
My definition of a glitch is an unexpected consequence of programming that was missed through the vetting stage. I would classify the Craps glitch where bettors were able to get credit for big bets by switching at the last second to a small one and throwing off the computer as a glitch.
As Mission said, it's borderline enough that he considers it a glitch but it may still be semantics. So, lets call it a glitch.
Quote: WizardofnothingRolling eyes
Sometimes my eyes roll too. Really hurts.
Suggest getting that checked out.
I believe he said that he is not currently using it, the exact words being, 'Moved on,' from it. Thus, I believe that he is crushing it for zero dollars per day at this time.
OnceDear,
The compromise, as it were, was entirely DarkOz idea and suggestion as he believes I am one of the few people who would keep to my word about not using or divulging the play. Because I cannot use the play, I cannot vouch for it on a first-hand basis. What I will say is that the play requires a Perfect Storm of factors in order to work, however, if everything DarkOz told me with respect to the play is true (as far as specifics go) then it seems to have merit.
That said, it is not nearly as simple, in terms of concept or execution, as simply beating a Promo.
WoN,
In the way that he would use the word, it is not a glitch. In the way that I would use the word, it is partially due to a glitch. That's really just a difference of semantics.
Quote: WizardofnothingClearly it had it be a glitch if it is even real- like me saying I found a poker game that deals 4 aces every time if you bet three credits after getting a hand of exactly two pair/ it's plausible
If he found it - he would never leave - just like the two plays I found and played until they were cut off- I certainly would not leave for Ac for a couple days in the middle of them
I'm reality the fact that he doesn't think it's a glitch speaks wonders of what he really does and does not know
The glitch you described above is what I would define as a glitch.
As I said, this particular circumstance is due to something mandated by NYS law.
Certainly you don't think the glitch you described about getting 4 aces... etc. would somehow be caused by a mandate in NYS law.
I was (as I expected) called a liar and akin to selling systems on here (not to mention trolling).
If I simply continued to shout I have something you don't without an independent and trusted voice backing me, then I would be sliding a slippery slope into at least antagonizing people here.
I have also been accused of using this thread simply to stoke my own ego.
Huh, well, okay, maybe. This thread does make me feel good.
Quote: darkozI have also been accused of using this thread simply to stoke my own ego.
Huh, well, okay, maybe. This thread does make me feel good.
Well, Kudos to you if you have discovered a lucrative real advantage play. Kudos also for being prepared to provide evidence. I trust Mission's judgement on it. If it is exploitable and legally defensible, I wish you luck with it.
Now remind me. Are we talking about the £xxxx's dollar a day one that you do exploit every day or the one that you cannot be bothered to exploit?
I'll go and read back $:o)
OK. have read back. We are discussing the one worth $1000's a month that you are not inclined to exploit and not the one which IS currently making you >$1,000 a day. Phew.
This says it all
Even if you tell me you got 86d.at that point you would hire someone to do it
I'm not buying it
Quote: OnceDearWell, Kudos to you if you have discovered a lucrative real advantage play. Kudos also for being prepared to provide evidence. I trust Mission's judgement on it. If it is exploitable and legally defensible, I wish you luck with it.
Now remind me. Are we talking about the £xxxx's dollar a day one that you do exploit every day or the one that you cannot be bothered to exploit?
I'll go and read back $:o)
OK. have read back. We are discussing the one worth $1000's a month that you are not inclined to exploit and not the one which IS currently making you >$1,000 a day. Phew.
I understand it's difficult to believe people sometimes, especially when it comes to bragging about gambling heroics. You can't go to jail for the actual move itself so I believe it falls under legally defensible. There may be aspects that could be skirting or breaking the law (as I said, there are multiple ways you can exploit it) but I never did those.
I'm always prepared to back up facts. Opinions are a different matter. We will all agree to disagree sometimes.
Should I post the video of me spying on Axel, DJ, and RS the past couple of days? All they do is scout for unclaimed $0.02 TITO tickets that the old ladies leave behind.
