Is Motorcity Casino cheating it's UTH players?

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I think it works because my casino pays 3:1 for that hand with no play wager required to win. If they are paying 5:1 or 4:1 for 3 of a kind then it would depend if your Trips wager = Ante. If you wagering $25 Ante/blind/play and only $5 on trips then its bad because you loose $75 to make $25/$20 if your wagering $50 trips and $5 Ante/blind/play
then you make $250/$200 and lose $15. so i guess it depends?

Ouch! is what I think. This happened to me at a casino. I complained to a floor person, but they agreed with the dealer. I brought a printed copy from Washington state gambling commission ( WSGC) with me next time I went there as well as filled an inquiry with the WSGC. A few weeks later you were no longer required to make a play bet to get paid on your trips.

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

It is. I fixed it. Thanks.

If its paying 3:1 then its a total rip off.

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They are dealing it incorrectly on a patented game. They are cheating the public and the manufacturer by doing so. They should be forced to correct it.

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I have played this game at many sites and only on a cruise ship did I see this rule enforced.

Quote: miplet

Ouch! is what I think. This happened to me at a casino. I complained to a floor person, but they agreed with the dealer. I brought a printed copy from Washington state gambling commission ( WSGC) with me next time I went there as well as filled an inquiry with the WSGC. A few weeks later you were no longer required to make a play bet to get paid on your trips.

Agreed fully with miplet's actions.
Its a patent violation, and possibly a trademark violation (if it isn't UTH, then a casino can't label it UTH).

Had a similar issue in Texas Hold Em' Bonus when it first started years ago.


My bet was $25 on the Ante and $30 on the Bonus(Was my first time playing the game and didn't know better!)


Anyway, got Pocket 3's and thought "Why play the hand and cut into potential profit?"

I asked if I can just get paid on the Bonus? Dealer says "I'm not sure, I'll have to ask"

The pit boss comes over, is brought up to speed on the question and says "If you fold the hand, you lose all bets!"

I say, "I've won the bonus and that is a separate bet. So it gets paid 3 to 1, whether I win the hand or not!"

Pit Boss "No sir, if you fold the hand, then you lose ALL bets. The 3 to 1 only gets paid if the hand is played!"

We argued for a few seconds, until I said "Fine!" and put the $50 on the Flop bet.

Flop comes up 9 H, J D, 3 S...

So I bet another $25, the turn comes up 4 S.

Bet the last $25, and the river is 7 S


Dealer turns up... Ace, Eight of Spades!!!

So a set of 3's goes down to a Runner, runner flush and $190 profit became a $35 loss!!

The money wasn't the real issue here, it was just the notion that my opinion didn't seem to matter and no further consultation was needed. The pit boss thought his word was as good as gold and no further explanation was needed.

This was the initial problem with THB, most dealers didn't understand all the dynamics or payouts of the game. And most pits didn't know what the official rules were on betting before or after the flop. So many people took advantage of it until they finally had an official guideline and dealers who were smart enough to know what they had and which hands were better than it.

It's 50/40/30/8/6/5/3 for 1.9% and 50/40/30/9/7/4/3 for 0.9%. Why do you think civilians are always saying "quads on the table, 30 to 1!!!!!"

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

FWIW, they started this policy about a year and a half ago.

Edit: I have not voted until I get a definitive answer from Roger or another SHFL representative.

Did you ever hear back from anyone about this?

I saw a guy get a Royal Flush Saturday night at MotorCity playing UTH. The other two UTH tables looked so demoralized.

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