Revel to allow Smoking starting Valentines Day-Staff
Quote: WizardThis is disappointing.
Yes it is. I should have taken some action on that bet :(
Quote: WizardThis is disappointing. First, because I have a bet they would go at least a year with Bob Dancer. I'll have to take my lumps on the air if they don't. More importantly, as a smoke-free advocate, I'm very disappointed in this news. We may have lost that battle, but will continue waging war on all smoking in public places.
Agreed. Very disappointing.
Quote: rudeboyoiimo business-sense wise you got to be a moron to ban smoking at any place where primarily gambling and/or drinking goes on.
Unless you're building a new casino in an overly-saturated and declining market and your entire business plan hinges on using the non-smoking format as your only real differentiating factor.
Now Revel really is just the Borgata, only it faces the other direction. And Borgata does it better.
Quote: rudeboyoiimo business-sense wise you got to be a moron to ban smoking at any place where primarily gambling and/or drinking goes on.
I don't necessarily disagree with this. I have not been to Atlantic City in at least 12 years so don't have an opinion on whether the no-smoking policy helped or hurt.
I do recall the old Silver City in Vegas, which went entirely non-smoking, and closed their doors about a year later. I always patronized the place when playing by myself. However, with a group, there was always at least one smoker who would veto the idea, and we would have to play elsewhere. Perhaps this dynamic is at play with any smoke-free casino.
In my opinion, the fight should be fought at the state government level. The only way we will see smoke-free casinos is if they are forced to.
What about all the bars in states where smoking is banned? FYI: That includes NJ.Quote: rudeboyoiimo business-sense wise you got to be a moron to ban smoking at any place where primarily gambling and/or drinking goes on.
For what it's worth, it works for bars because it's a short walk to get outdoors to the smoking zone. When the customer returns, they'll likely take a big gulp of their drink, so the average time between orders doesn't change much. Hell, their drink might even be "missing" so they'll order a refill sooner.
A casino relies upon a gambler making a bet very few seconds. The time to take the long walk to get outside, as well as to smoke, is too much. Therefore, it was shocking to me that they even tried this.
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhat about all the bars in states where smoking is banned? FYI: That includes NJ.
i can imagine bars in areas with nice climates are not hurt as much from smoking bans. still theres always the possibility of once you step outside the bar you might not go back in whereas if you were already in the bar you may have stayed there longer.
Hopefully the HVAC and air-exchange systems at Revel are capable of scrubbing the smoke from the air. If I was a clueless hack building a smoke-free casino, I'm not sure that I'd spend the extra money...
Quote: WizardThis is disappointing. First, because I have a bet they would go at least a year with Bob Dancer. I'll have to take my lumps on the air if they don't. More importantly, as a smoke-free advocate, I'm very disappointed in this news. We may have lost that battle, but will continue waging war on all smoking in public places.
Too bad. As you, I'm sorry to hear this as I hoped it would start a trend.
Quote: BozAccording to staff, this is the date it will be allowed. Dealers seemed to be excited about it as they feel it will bring in more customers. No press release on this and the only source is first hand from employees, but they have no reason to lie. So the original predictions of less than a year seem to be correct.
Although I have a bet with someone that Revel would allow smoking within one year of Memorial Day weekend - it will be sad if this becomes the case casino-wide.
As a loyal Revel-er, and, having been there as recently as 3 days ago, I only heard whispers of a smoking section being built (a separate room on the casino floor) - what is your smoking allowed source?
Quote: aceofspadesAlthough I have a bet with someone that Revel would allow smoking within one year of Memorial Day weekend - it will be sad if this becomes the case casino-wide.
As a loyal Revel-er, and, having been there as recently as 3 days ago, I only heard whispers of a smoking section being built (a separate room on the casino floor) - what is your smoking allowed source?
I've also just spoken to a couple of sources and they say that the rumour espoused herein is way off.
I was there Monday and was told this date by a BJ dealer during discussions. I did ask the Pit Boss who had no comment and just smiled. I find it hard to doubt this dealer and cannot think of a reason why they would make this date up unless there has been discussions and plans made. I personally would love a smoke free casino, but as I have posted before, the comps don't equal what I get at Caesars for equal play. I was at showboat to use some free play and was having a bad trip, so I decided to try and change my luck. And I will say Revel was busier than the last time I was there, but it was MLK Day.
So as I originally posted, I have no reason to doubt the source.
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhat about all the bars in states where smoking is banned? FYI: That includes NJ.
In Nevada smoking was banned in all bars that served food. This was repealed about a year ago.
I assume you meant pot.Quote: NareedBut if tobacco is legalized, then everyone will think it's ok to smoke and we'll all die horrible deaths!
And that brings up an interesting question. Is it OK to smoke pot indoors? I find that quite a pleasant smell, not to mention, I get a great second hand buzz from it!
to smoke. If you're brain dead enough to play slots,
you're brain dead enough to use your lungs to filter
burning leaves.
Quote: EvenBobThis will bring back some of the slot players, who love
to smoke. If you're brain dead enough to play slots,
you're brain dead enough to use your lungs to filter
burning leaves.
I don't see why you should call slot players names or act like they're less intelligent than craps players or blackjack players or baccarat players, just because the game doesn't appeal to you.
Quote: tsmithI don't see why you should call slot players names or act like they're less intelligent than craps players or blackjack players or baccarat players, just because the game doesn't appeal to you.
It doesn't 'appeal' to me cause my wife has lost
thousands in the slots in the last 25 years. And
yes, where gambling is concerned you can hook
a machine up to her head and it flat lines..
Quote: EvenBobIt doesn't 'appeal' to me cause my wife has lost
thousands in the slots in the last 25 years. And
yes, where gambling is concerned you can hook
a machine up to her head and it flat lines..
So does she know you think she's brain dead?
Quote: DJTeddyBearSo does she know you think she's brain dead?
Oh, she knows in spades. She knows she has a
problem, as soon as she sits down her mind goes
blank. When she won the $1200 at the airport
on the way in that one time, when I was checking
in she was at the slots feeding 3 of them, trying
to lose that $1200 as soon as possible. Took her
three hours.
If Revel thinks its problem is a lack of smoke...I shudder to think what must be going on in those management meetings.
Here is a clue, Revel: your hotel is 80% empty midweek in winter. Start loosening up the comps.
Quote: sodawaterI shudder to think what must be going on in those management meetings.
Here is a clue, Revel: your hotel is 80% empty midweek in winter. Start loosening up the comps.
+1. But it's not even about the absolute number. 20% occupancy would be awesome if everyone else was at 10%. But everyone else is at 50%...
Wow. I did not know that casino hotels in Atlantic City were averaging fifty percent capacity. All those Pennsylvania casinos must have drained gamblers out of NYC until none were left.Quote: rdw4potus+1. But it's not even about the absolute number. 20% occupancy would be awesome if everyone else was at 10%. But everyone else is at 50%...
I just don't see the economics involved in operating a hotel with empty rooms... its the casino they should be trying to fill. You do that by filling the hotel to "Full" not to "Half Full". If that means Comps Galore then thats what you do. Show us your action we will show you a zero room rate.
Quote: aceofspades
As a loyal Revel-er, and, having been there as recently as 3 days ago, I only heard whispers of a smoking section being built (a separate room on the casino floor) -?
I think this is a more credible rumor than allowing smoking on the the entire floor. I doubt if they would make a complete U-turn or swing the pendulum in other direction so soon.
Quote: WizardThis is disappointing. First, because I have a bet they would go at least a year with Bob Dancer. I'll have to take my lumps on the air if they don't. More importantly, as a smoke-free advocate, I'm very disappointed in this news. We may have lost that battle, but will continue waging war on all smoking in public places.
Seems like it's all rumors at this point. Not to disparage the accounts of trusted forum members, but dealers are not the highest employees in the chain of command...I would say don't declare you've lost yet, Wiz!
Also, what were the exact specifications of your bet? Don't you still win if they allow some smoking but the floor is >50% non-smoking?
Quote: AcesAndEightsDon't you still win if they allow some smoking but the floor is >50% non-smoking?
"There are indications that Revel is rethinking its nonsmoking policy and may allow customers to light up in a new gambling area that is in the planning stages. Revel spokeswoman Maureen Siman would not rule out smoking when asked whether if it would be permitted on parts of the casino floor in the future. The Wall Street Journal reported that Revel has privately told investors that smoking is under consideration. . . .
"In Atlantic City, smoking is permitted on 25 percent of the casino floor. Atlantic City’s casinos were exempted from the 2007 New Jersey Smoke-Free Air Act, which bans smoking in most public places in the state. It is an Atlantic City law that restricts smoking to 25 percent of the casino floor." acpress from last week
Quote: SanchoPanza"There are indications that Revel is rethinking its nonsmoking policy and may allow customers to light up in a new gambling area that is in the planning stages. Revel spokeswoman Maureen Siman would not rule out smoking when asked whether if it would be permitted on parts of the casino floor in the future. The Wall Street Journal reported that Revel has privately told investors that smoking is under consideration. . . .
"In Atlantic City, smoking is permitted on 25 percent of the casino floor. Atlantic City’s casinos were exempted from the 2007 New Jersey Smoke-Free Air Act, which bans smoking in most public places in the state. It is an Atlantic City law that restricts smoking to 25 percent of the casino floor." acpress from last week
Do I get a gold star? LOL
I'd be interested to know from our members who go to AC how the other casinos comply with this 75% rule. Is it legitimately 75% of space with gaming? Or did they designate other parts of the building as part of the "casino" that people don't smoke in anyway, for example shopping/dining/convention areas?
Quote: WizardI win the bet if the Revel is at least 50% non-smoking by the end of 2013. If the law dictates they must be at least 75% non-smoking, then it would seem an easy victory. However, as I've argued in the thread about the bet about whether a car would stop in an intersection, I believe the spirit of the bet is more important than the letter. So, we'll have to see what the Revel does and take it from there.
I'd be interested to know from our members who go to AC how the other casinos comply with this 75% rule. Is it legitimately 75% of space with gaming? Or did they designate other parts of the building as part of the "casino" that people don't smoke in anyway, for example shopping/dining/convention areas?
WIZ - as a player who is in AC almost every week - I can tell you that the 75% rule is not really adhered too. When I am at Bally's, I see smokers everywhere. High limit pit, Asian pit, main floor - everywhere. It is the same at Caesars - smokers mingle everywhere.
I think the 75% rule is in name only.
Quote: WizardI'd be interested to know from our members who go to AC how the other casinos comply with this 75% rule. Is it legitimately 75% of space with gaming? Or did they designate other parts of the building as part of the "casino" that people don't smoke in anyway, for example shopping/dining/convention areas?
Smoking is prohibited inside all public buildings in New Jersey except for one-quarter of the casinos. And that is nothing more than one of the many farces perpetrated on customers.
Quote: SanchoPanzaSmoking is prohibited inside all public buildings in New Jersey except for one-quarter of the casinos. And that is nothing more than one of the many farces perpetrated on customers.
28 years ago on an Iberia Airlines flight, non smoking section. In the middle 5 seat section. lady next to me lights up. I politely ask her to refrain, she politely tells me she specifically asked for a smoking seat. I call over stewardess. She checks seat assignments. She confirms that I am in non smokong section, but..... that the lady, sitting right freakin next to me, is in the smokng section. When she would smoke I would not subtly blow the smoke her way. Any room that has smoking and non smoking sections is a joke!
What happens remains to be seen and I did not get details from the dealer on floor space, but we did discuss it for a few minutes and she was excited about it from the business standpoint. The Pit Boss heard a majority of the conversation and did nothing but say he could not comment. But he also did nothing to tell his dealer to not discuss it or deny it.
would hate to see revel give in to smokers who are so selfish they can't go outside rather than affect people medically with their habit.
Quote: WizardThanks for the answer about the AC smoking policy. I've never been to the Revel. Would it be easy to designate a certain area as smoking and non-smoking, where both had the full gamut of games?
WIZ - the casino floor at Revel is built in the shape of an ellipse...so, in that regard, you could have a 25% smoking area as the curvature of the casino might keep some smoke in a certain area BUT, which area should it be? there is only one craps section, one roulette section and one high limit section with the rest of the area being slots and blackjack (who gets to smoke?) - also, there are various restaurants and nightclubs on the perimeter of the casino floor - who wants smoking outside their restaurant/nightclub (nightclubs might actually want it)?
Also, my thought had always been that, being officially 100% smoke-free may affect their insurance rates - anyone know if that is the case?
Quote: aceofspadesWIZ - the casino floor at Revel is built in the shape of an ellipse.
This is an ellipse:
How can it be in this shape.
Quote: EvenBobThis is an ellipse:
How can it be in this shape.
Bird's eye view that is the floor
Quote: aceofspadesQuote: EvenBobHow can it be in this shape.
Bird's eye view that is the floor
Something like the Oval Office, but a tad larger.
Quote: aceofspadesWIZ - the casino floor at Revel is built in the shape of an ellipse.
So, if I'm shooting craps at the location of one of the foci, and throw the dice at the wall, will they pass the other focus point assuming I throw them hard enough?
Quote: WizardSo, if I'm shooting craps at the location of one of the foci, and throw the dice at the wall, will they pass the other focus point assuming I throw them hard enough?
