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AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 2:46:17 PM permalink
Harrah's Rincon Casino in San Diego has announced a year long promotion for 2013 that culminates on December 31, 2013 with one million dollars being awarded to one player drawn at random. There are also monthly prizes and together they total more than two million dollars.

The more you play, the more entries you have. Play on Tuesdays and your entries are tripled.

There are very few close to postiive expectation games at Rincon but coupled with Caesars Total Rewards points and free play and comp dollars there might be a couple of positive plays including Super Aces Bonus video poker, perhaps 8/5 Aces and Faces (with the add-ons) and perhaps blackjack for skilled players and maybe for pass/dp craps players with full odds (again with the add ons).

I wrote about the details on my site here: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?1037-Is-this-the-ULTIMATE-casino-ADVANTAGE-play

It seems that Tuesday is the day to play because of triple entries. Whatcha' think?
FleaStiff
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:09:22 PM permalink
I think you had better find out just how many entries per day there can be that are made by person's whose cards may be present but who are themselves quite distant.
AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:20:44 PM permalink
Good question, but would you play on a machine with someone else's card inserted in it? Also, the cards must be reinserted in all machines if there is no play for a certain amount of minutes... so it wouldnt do you any good to put your cards in a bunch of machines and hope someone plays them later.
tringlomane
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December 28th, 2012 at 3:28:51 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Good question, but would you play on a machine with someone else's card inserted in it? Also, the cards must be reinserted in all machines if there is no play for a certain amount of minutes... so it wouldnt do you any good to put your cards in a bunch of machines and hope someone plays them later.



Yeah, generally I don't think this scenario is a big issue. But if there is a daily entry cap, then there could be an issue with using other people's cards (i.e. family members) to "share" entries.
AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 8:31:15 PM permalink
Well, there certainly isn't a daily entry cap. In fact, the casino wants more play -- and as much play as it can get out of this promotion -- because the more play there is the more profits there are to pay the prizes. The prizes are a fixed amount -- the prize schedule has been determined. What they need to do now is generate as much interest and as much play as possible to fund the prize pool.
tringlomane
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:01:29 PM permalink
Ok, I did some math. Does the big winner must be present to award the prize? If so, it will help your cause, but otherwise, this is a marginal promo at best with the following assumption: Harrah's Rincon has similar volume to Harrah's St. Louis.

Why Harrah's St. Louis? Because Missouri gives clear slot handle stats publicly on the Internet, and I failed to find the same for Harrah's Rincon. Not everyone uses their TR card so I am ignoring all table games, looking at the slot handle only and converting it to Tier points results in 621 million Tier points vying for ~$2M. So that's the rough equivalent of a 4X multiplier all year with a 10X multiplier on Tuesdays, except that you are quite likely to see nothing! Now if Harrah's Rincon is a significantly smaller casino than St. Louis, this promo could be a better value. If you barely make 7 Star (100k Tier) with 100% of your play at Harrah's Rincon, the value to you is roughly $320 if Rincon's volume is similar to St. Louis.

And unless I am really screwing up the math, Bob Dancer will definitely be skipping this promo, imo.
AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:10:55 PM permalink
About two years ago, Rincon ran a promotion that was also based on play. For each W2G you won during a period of time, you were entered into a drawing on one day for additional free play. If I recall it was $500 or $100 of free play at each drawing and the drawings went on every fifteen minutes for ten hours, or something like that.

One player dominated and got almost all of the free play awards. It was the one guy who always played $100 video poker.

Yes, you will have to be there to win not only the million dollar prize on Dec 31 but also the monthly drawings.

I suspect this will be another contest that is dominated by the heavy duty players.

If Bob Dancer goes through fifty thousand at a shot of winning a twenty thousand dollar car, I think this one is up his alley.
tringlomane
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:39:13 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

About two years ago, Rincon ran a promotion that was also based on play. For each W2G you won during a period of time, you were entered into a drawing on one day for additional free play. If I recall it was $500 or $100 of free play at each drawing and the drawings went on every fifteen minutes for ten hours, or something like that.

One player dominated and got almost all of the free play awards. It was the one guy who always played $100 video poker.



That's a totally different drawing, that guy gets a W-2 for a straight or better, right?

This drawing benefits people like that much, much less assuming you get 1 entry per tier credit.

If I am understanding the drawing correctly, it's directly proportional to slot/video poker handle, so it's just like a 10X multiplier on a Tuesday (if everyone shows up of course). The best thing Rincon has at higher limits is 99.4% Ace$ for $25 max per deal, so I guess that's worth playing on a Tuesday to go above 100% with entries, but otherwise, it's still -EV. They also have 8/5 Bonus Double STP for 99.67% at $17.50 max per deal (5 hands at $3.50 each, so jealous of this as I <3 Double STP so much, and it's the best DSTP machine I have seen on VPFree2).

A big factor is who all shows up on Dec. 31st or whatever. They are forced to award it right and/or won't award it to people that don't "check in/play" that day?
AlanMendelson
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December 28th, 2012 at 10:44:39 PM permalink
there is a W2G for a $100 VP player on Jacks or Better with just three of a kind.

I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying that the bigger bettors are not going to win? My thinking is that a few of the regular high limit players will walk away with the monthly money and one of them is going to get the million.

Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces at $500 per push, or $100 per coin. They eliminated the 9/6 Jacks game.

I also think that someone who comes in there with a big bankroll and plays on Tuesdays for triple entries and shows up on Saturdays and on Dec 31 could walk away with the whole thing.
tringlomane
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December 28th, 2012 at 11:14:15 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

there is a W2G for a $100 VP player on Jacks or Better with just three of a kind.

I'm not sure I understand your point? Are you saying that the bigger bettors are not going to win? My thinking is that a few of the regular high limit players will walk away with the monthly money and one of them is going to get the million.

Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces at $500 per push, or $100 per coin. They eliminated the 9/6 Jacks game.

I also think that someone who comes in there with a big bankroll and plays on Tuesdays for triple entries and shows up on Saturdays and on Dec 31 could walk away with the whole thing.



Oh, it's definitely possible, but there are tons of diamonds out there that never earn W2Gs because they play penny slots at $1-$2 a pull consistently all year that have their fair share this contest (my mom is an example of one of these people :( ). It really depends on who shows up on Dec. 31st. If only 40% of the Tier points earned all show up on any given drawing (probably reasonable), then the value for a min level 7 Star jumps to $800 if Rincon's volume is roughly St. Louis's.

This is really hard to estimate, but I still think this isn't that great of a promo. Even if people play 8/5 Aces & Faces for $500/hand on Tuesdays only, I'm still not sure that will make it that +EV, it's only a 99.26% game!! It might be worth it to them once they value all comps they'll get a solid 7 Star, but I don't think it's a gigantic money making opportunity. And it's a big gamble, it's like playing the lottery. A gigantic player might have a 1 in 50 chance of winning, which makes his EV for the Dec. 31st drawing $20k, but I'm guessing the EV loss he had to gain all those entries might be more than $20k.

The 2011 "Race to Rewards", now THAT was a great promo (on a percentage basis at least).

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