driverless taxis - Brave New World
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don't think I'm ready for it - just too weird
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don't think I'm ready for it - just too weird
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I would like to try one. It is probably +EV for your family because if you die in a car accident just about every jury in the world will allow a large settlement.
I've seen a bunch of driverless cars on the Strip. Not sure if they are taxis.Quote: lilredrooster______________
don't think I'm ready for it - just too weird
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Quote: Ace2Guess I’m old fashioned. I say it’s only a matter of time before a driverless car plows through a huge group of pedestrians due to a technical glitch. Then no more driverless cars
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You are going to be very shocked when pilotless commercial airplanes are the norm. It will happen although not very soon.
Quote: DRichQuote: Ace2Guess I’m old fashioned. I say it’s only a matter of time before a driverless car plows through a huge group of pedestrians due to a technical glitch. Then no more driverless cars
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You are going to be very shocked when pilotless commercial airplanes are the norm. It will happen although not very soon.
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While feasible, I don't think the pilot's unions or the public will allow it. I imagine it will be the norm for freight operators long before passenger jets, and the first time an unmanned jumbo jet crashes, it will be the last.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: Ace2Guess I’m old fashioned. I say it’s only a matter of time before a driverless car plows through a huge group of pedestrians due to a technical glitch. Then no more driverless cars
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You are going to be very shocked when pilotless commercial airplanes are the norm. It will happen although not very soon.
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While feasible, I don't think the pilot's unions or the public will allow it. I imagine it will be the norm for freight operators long before passenger jets, and the first time an unmanned jumbo jet crashes, it will be the last.
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I don't think one crash would stop the program. Even if it has twice as many accidents as piloted planes in the U.S. I think it will continue. Just to be clear, I am guessing this will be nearly 50 years from now. I do believe remote piloted planes will come first. Basically commercial drones.
I'd be shocked if pilotless commercial airplanes are the norm in my lifetime...but it WILL happen eventually. Today, most pilots on commercial flights engage the autopilot about 30-60 seconds after takeoff, and don't disengage it until about a minute or two into the final approach, so for most intents and purposes we already have pilotless aircraft.Quote: DRichQuote: Ace2Guess I’m old fashioned. I say it’s only a matter of time before a driverless car plows through a huge group of pedestrians due to a technical glitch. Then no more driverless cars
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You are going to be very shocked when pilotless commercial airplanes are the norm. It will happen although not very soon.
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In the distant future, car, train, bus and airline passengers will look back at our time and say "I can't believe back then they had people operating these things!".
Quote: UP84<snip>In the distant future, car, train, bus and airline passengers will look back at our time and say "I can't believe back then they had people operating these things!".
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UP84,
Remember elevator operators? How about casino change girls?
For that matter, we're nearly to the point of saying "Remember grocery store cashiers?"
Dog Hand
No tipping the evil taxi driver who's trying to long haul you? I'M IN. Or Rideshare works too.Quote: lilredrooster______________
don't think I'm ready for it - just too weird
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Remember elevator operators? How about casino change girls?
For that matter, we're nearly to the point of saying "Remember grocery store cashiers?"
Dog Hand
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When I was growing up there were lots of elevator operators and there were a lot of them that had handicaps. It was a career for them it was the only job they could do, open and close the elevator door all day long. But they made a living and supported families doing it. I worked in a hotel in the maintenance department for a while in the late 60s and even the staff elevator was manned by a handicapped person.
Quote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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No, but we've banned many aggravating factors that increase risk of traffic injuries or deaths, such as drunk or drugged driving, distracted riving, cellphone use or texting while driving, unsafe cars, uninsured operation of a motor vehicle, minimum age and driver ed requirements to get a driver license, and others. And we do take away cars from those who breaks the rules serious enough to be judged a danger on the roadways,
So much for those “bans of aggravating factors”
Quote: Ace2Nearly as many Americans die every year from cars as died during the entire Vietnam War. It’s astounding
So much for those “bans of aggravating factors”
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I was walking across a busy crosswalk when the icon pictured walk and a female driver ran a red light and hit me
I wasn't hurt - I saw it in time and caught the car with my hands and pushed back
typical of the modern world - she didn't bother to even open her window and say she was sorry -
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: Ace2Nearly as many Americans die every year from cars as died during the entire Vietnam War. It’s astounding
So much for those “bans of aggravating factors”
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I was walking across a busy crosswalk when the icon pictured walk and a female driver ran a red light and hit me
I wasn't hurt - I saw it in time and caught the car with my hands and pushed back
typical of the modern world - she didn't bother to even open her window and say she was sorry -
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The same thing happened to me a few months ago. Right turn on red was allowed, so the driver must have been looking to the left to make sure no cars were coming. He must not have seen me because I was crossing from his right.
Upon getting hit, I did the same maneuver of pushing off with my hands as you did. The people in the car did not stop to ask me why I had hit their car.
I think a mannequin that whistles the company jingle would be a nice touch.
I also think that automated taxis have a distinct competitive disadvantage if the passenger doesn't know where they want to go.
Quote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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That’s a fraction of the problem. The number of totally ruined and severely diminished lives due to MVAs dwarfs the number of deaths.
I forgot the exact figures, but if an enforced speed limit was 50mph, deaths due to MVAs would plummet. We chose convenience over safety as a country. Imagine if a politician tried to propose a bill to lower the speed limit to 50 mph?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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That’s a fraction of the problem. The number of totally ruined and severely diminished lives due to MVAs dwarfs the number of deaths.
I forgot the exact figures, but if an enforced speed limit was 50mph, deaths due to MVAs would plummet. We chose convenience over safety as a country. Imagine if a politician tried to propose a bill to lower the speed limit to 50 mph?
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Traveling on interstates is one of the deadliest situations Americans find themselves in, so the less time they spend on them, the safer they are. Therefore, the faster one goes, the less time you are in danger. Getting hit by a car doing 60 is no deadlier than getting hit by one doing 50, or one doing 70.
However.....
Most accidents occur in the home, so the more time you spend commuting, the less time you are at home; therefore, you are safer.
More people die in their sleep than in nightclubs, so one could argue you are better off partying all night than sleeping.
The only negative is development seems to be slower than the consensus was in the early 2010s (you can read countless articles from 2012-2018 where people were convinced that by 2020 they would be common at least in certain circumstances, even if not realistic to own, but even level 3 seems to be a challenge).
. If you die then of course it doesn’t matter. But car accidents at 70mph are FAR more likely to end in death than ones at 50 mph. It’s not even close. I’m hoping your entire post was meant as satire….?Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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That’s a fraction of the problem. The number of totally ruined and severely diminished lives due to MVAs dwarfs the number of deaths.
I forgot the exact figures, but if an enforced speed limit was 50mph, deaths due to MVAs would plummet. We chose convenience over safety as a country. Imagine if a politician tried to propose a bill to lower the speed limit to 50 mph?
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Traveling on interstates is one of the deadliest situations Americans find themselves in, so the less time they spend on them, the safer they are. Therefore, the faster one goes, the less time you are in danger. Getting hit by a car doing 60 is no deadlier than getting hit by one doing 50, or one doing 70.
However.....
Most accidents occur in the home, so the more time you spend commuting, the less time you are at home; therefore, you are safer.
More people die in their sleep than in nightclubs, so one could argue you are better off partying all night than sleeping.
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Quote: SOOPOO. If you die then of course it doesn’t matter. But car accidents at 70mph are FAR more likely to end in death than ones at 50 mph. It’s not even close. I’m hoping your entire post was meant as satire….?Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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That’s a fraction of the problem. The number of totally ruined and severely diminished lives due to MVAs dwarfs the number of deaths.
I forgot the exact figures, but if an enforced speed limit was 50mph, deaths due to MVAs would plummet. We chose convenience over safety as a country. Imagine if a politician tried to propose a bill to lower the speed limit to 50 mph?
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Traveling on interstates is one of the deadliest situations Americans find themselves in, so the less time they spend on them, the safer they are. Therefore, the faster one goes, the less time you are in danger. Getting hit by a car doing 60 is no deadlier than getting hit by one doing 50, or one doing 70.
However.....
Most accidents occur in the home, so the more time you spend commuting, the less time you are at home; therefore, you are safer.
More people die in their sleep than in nightclubs, so one could argue you are better off partying all night than sleeping.
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A car hitting a pedestrian at fifty will be as deadly as hitting them at seventy. When NYC lowered the speed limit from 40 to 30 on secondary streets, they said getting hit at 30 you had a 50-50 chance of survival, while at forty it was close to zero, IIRC.
A person hit by a car at 30MPH has a 51% chance of survival. At 40 MPH, it is 10%. At 58MPH or above, it is 1%
. Most accidents involve cars hitting other cars. At least most that I would see in the OR. Of course a direct hit on a pedestrian at 50 would virtually always be fatal. Being sideswiped at 50 is better than being sideswiped at 70. Spinning out at 50 into a wall is better than spinning out into a wall at 70. Need I go on?Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOO. If you die then of course it doesn’t matter. But car accidents at 70mph are FAR more likely to end in death than ones at 50 mph. It’s not even close. I’m hoping your entire post was meant as satire….?Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: Ace2Each year, cars kill about four times as many Americans as guns, but no one is trying to ban cars
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That’s a fraction of the problem. The number of totally ruined and severely diminished lives due to MVAs dwarfs the number of deaths.
I forgot the exact figures, but if an enforced speed limit was 50mph, deaths due to MVAs would plummet. We chose convenience over safety as a country. Imagine if a politician tried to propose a bill to lower the speed limit to 50 mph?
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Traveling on interstates is one of the deadliest situations Americans find themselves in, so the less time they spend on them, the safer they are. Therefore, the faster one goes, the less time you are in danger. Getting hit by a car doing 60 is no deadlier than getting hit by one doing 50, or one doing 70.
However.....
Most accidents occur in the home, so the more time you spend commuting, the less time you are at home; therefore, you are safer.
More people die in their sleep than in nightclubs, so one could argue you are better off partying all night than sleeping.
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A car hitting a pedestrian at fifty will be as deadly as hitting them at seventy. When NYC lowered the speed limit from 40 to 30 on secondary streets, they said getting hit at 30 you had a 50-50 chance of survival, while at forty it was close to zero, iirc.
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffWith almost 10 years as an auto insurance claims adjuster, I will say cars are safe for the most part. I have seen some horrific collisions where people have bruises and scratches and I have seen some heart breaking cases of kids killed by drunk drivers, suicides by driving head on into a semi truck, people hitting a patch of ice and car rolls down a mountain killing the entire family... My understanding is the driverless cars still have an operator that can override in an emergency situation, maybe kinda like how the plans have auto pilot.
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That may be now. But not the future plan. The plan is for driverless cars.
You couldn't really mix humans with that kind of solution.
Quote: rxwineI don't know about the mix of driverless cars with human driven cars, but I'd wager someone with computer modelling skills could design a fully automated driverless city where the traffic moved more efficiently and thereby getting to where you want to go with less delay. The traffic movement might be rather unorthodox by today's standards.
You couldn't really mix humans with that kind of solution.
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I have long maintained you will only see driverless cars in quantity driving with other driverless cars. Mixing human driving with a lot of driverless driving is asking for disaster.
if I ever see a driverless car on the street - I'm going to jump right in front of it when it's about 7 feet away from me and see if it's going to hit me
I won't actually let it hit me - if it doesn't stop I'll use my awesome all natural speed and quickness to get out of the way
my prediction - it won't stop - and it would hit me if I didn't move and if I wasn't blessed with such breathtaking agility
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if I ever see a driverless car on the street - I'm going to jump right in front of it when it's about 7 feet away from me and see if it's going to hit me
I won't actually let it hit me - if it doesn't stop I'll use my awesome all natural speed and quickness to get out of the way
my prediction - it won't stop - and it would hit me if I didn't move and if I wasn't blessed with such breathtaking agility
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A car equipped for self-driving would have you on its camera and I'm sure the insurance company will very publicly sue the first few people who try that. Change is coming.
I've only seen one driverless car, going into Harrahs off the strip and it slowed to a crawl for the speed bumps.
Quote: billryanQuote: lilredrooster______________
if I ever see a driverless car on the street - I'm going to jump right in front of it when it's about 7 feet away from me and see if it's going to hit me
I won't actually let it hit me - if it doesn't stop I'll use my awesome all natural speed and quickness to get out of the way
my prediction - it won't stop - and it would hit me if I didn't move and if I wasn't blessed with such breathtaking agility
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A car equipped for self-driving would have you on its camera and I'm sure the insurance company will very publicly sue the first few people who try that. Change is coming.
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the insurance co. is not going to sue me because I'm not looking for money - I'm not going to make a claim
I'm looking for publicity - I want to be famous - I want to show off my moves
I want to be on national television and all over the web - like Tik Tok - and have people constantly talking about how cool I am
then I'll make money in advertising by lying about mediocre products - by saying how great they are - so all the big companies will want me to be a spokesman
I've got it all figured out - there are no flaws
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I'm curious how they will handle attempted carjackings.
Here’s a scenario to consider:
A baby carriage suddenly gets knocked in front of a car. A small child is nearby. The car recognizes that it can’t stop soon enough, but it can swerve and avoid at least one of them.
What should it be programmed to do?
You have one hundred nano seconds to decide after reading this Human!
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A car equipped for self-driving would have you on its camera and I'm sure the insurance company will very publicly sue the first few people who try that. Change is coming.
I've only seen one driverless car, going into Harrahs off the strip and it slowed to a crawl for the speed bumps.
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Insurance companies would not sue, they would just deny for an intentional act.
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A car equipped for self-driving would have you on its camera and I'm sure the insurance company will very publicly sue the first few people who try that. Change is coming.
I've only seen one driverless car, going into Harrahs off the strip and it slowed to a crawl for the speed bumps.
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Insurance companies would not sue, they would just deny for an intentional act.
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I disagree. They'd call it attempted insurance fraud and pursue both criminal and civil remedy.
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if I ever see a driverless car on the street - I'm going to jump right in front of it when it's about 7 feet away from me and see if it's going to hit me
I won't actually let it hit me - if it doesn't stop I'll use my awesome all natural speed and quickness to get out of the way
my prediction - it won't stop - and it would hit me if I didn't move and if I wasn't blessed with such breathtaking agility
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A car equipped for self-driving would have you on its camera and I'm sure the insurance company will very publicly sue the first few people who try that. Change is coming.
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the insurance co. is not going to sue me because I'm not looking for money - I'm not going to make a claim
I'm looking for publicity - I want to be famous - I want to show off my moves
I want to be on national television and all over the web - like Tik Tok - and have people constantly talking about how cool I am
then I'll make money in advertising by lying about mediocre products - by saying how great they are - so all the big companies will want me to be a spokesman
I've got it all figured out - there are no flaws
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So... Son of Sam laws won't interfere?
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I disagree. They'd call it attempted insurance fraud and pursue both criminal and civil remedy.
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let them sue - that will make me even more famous
the BIG BAD INSURANCE COMPANIES against li'l ole me
Tik Tok will eat it up - they haven't got a prayer - Instagram will have them running away with their heads between their legs in fear of losing tens of thousands of customers
I've got this - no problem
note to Dieter - I'm not in jeopardy from the Son of Sam law because I didn't do anything criminal - all I did was expose a defective machine
I'll be a national hero - virtually untouchable
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Didn't you see I, Robot? The car will calculate which has a better chance of surviving. Then it will save Will Smith.Quote: rxwineI imagine a driverless city would have “eye-in-the-sky” also working in tandem with gps in the car. Or at least eyes on poles.
Here’s a scenario to consider:
A baby carriage suddenly gets knocked in front of a car. A small child is nearby. The car recognizes that it can’t stop soon enough, but it can swerve and avoid at least one of them.
What should it be programmed to do?
You have one hundred nano seconds to decide after reading this Human!
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Quote: JoemanDidn't you see I, Robot? The car will calculate which has a better chance of surviving. Then it will save Will Smith.Quote: rxwineI imagine a driverless city would have “eye-in-the-sky” also working in tandem with gps in the car. Or at least eyes on poles.
Here’s a scenario to consider:
A baby carriage suddenly gets knocked in front of a car. A small child is nearby. The car recognizes that it can’t stop soon enough, but it can swerve and avoid at least one of them.
What should it be programmed to do?
You have one hundred nano seconds to decide after reading this Human!
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Or he will slap them!
