lilredrooster
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June 9th, 2021 at 4:36:22 AM permalink
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crypto tax cheats


not reporting capital gains





from the time before the IRS began to monitor and track transactions

if there was a way to actually find out how many

I'd be willing to bet - I'd price it this way:






thousands but not 10,000.......................25/1


ten thousand or more but not 100,000..................9/1


100,000 or more but less than 1 million..........................2/1


more than one million...............even money






in America tons of people looking to get over





they knew it was illegal - but if called out would feign ignorance







it's the American way










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DJTeddyBear
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June 9th, 2021 at 6:02:29 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

it's the American way


A former boss of mine once said to me, “What’s the point of owning a business if you can’t steal money from the government?”
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June 9th, 2021 at 6:26:04 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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crypto tax cheats
not reporting capital gains

from the time before the IRS began to monitor and track transactions
if there was a way to actually find out how many
I'd be willing to bet - I'd price it this way:
thousands but not 10,000.......................25/1
ten thousand or more but not 100,000..................9/1
100,000 or more but less than 1 million..........................2/1
more than one million...............even money

in America tons of people looking to get over
they knew it was illegal - but if called out would feign ignorance
it's the American way


True...otherwise, why would anyone bother with VP machines that "just happen to" pay 1199 for a Royal?

I wonder what the number is if you limit it to people who make more than a certain amount...say, $100,000 or more.
rxwine
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June 9th, 2021 at 7:28:17 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

..............


crypto tax cheats


not reporting capital gains





from the time before the IRS began to monitor and track transactions

if there was a way to actually find out how many

I'd be willing to bet - I'd price it this way:






thousands but not 10,000.......................25/1


ten thousand or more but not 100,000..................9/1


100,000 or more but less than 1 million..........................2/1


more than one million...............even money






in America tons of people looking to get over





they knew it was illegal - but if called out would feign ignorance







it's the American way










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It’s a topic for another thread, but would the IRS really come out ahead if accurate gambling’s winnings were done for everyone? You have to know if the number of evaders exceeds the number of people who could’ve taken a deduction. I think it favors one side more, but I’ve been surprised before when the real stats come out. Though we will probably never know.
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billryan
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June 9th, 2021 at 8:59:57 AM permalink
I'm not sure at what level not reporting income turns into a felony, but with the rise in the value of bitcoin, even selling one or two of them without reporting it will be felonies, and I would think the IRS will be looking to make a few public examples in order to get others to "volunteer" their information. I also have been told crypto is not nearly as anonymous as most people think it is. Others tell me that isn't true but that is a risk I don't have to worry about.
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OnceDear
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June 9th, 2021 at 9:40:43 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I'm not sure at what level not reporting income turns into a felony, but with the rise in the value of bitcoin, even selling one or two of them without reporting it will be felonies, and I would think the IRS will be looking to make a few public examples in order to get others to "volunteer" their information. I also have been told crypto is not nearly as anonymous as most people think it is. Others tell me that isn't true but that is a risk I don't have to worry about.

Coinbase have confirmed that they have given lots of transaction data to the IRS. This is the weakest link in BTC anonymity and evasion.
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June 9th, 2021 at 10:34:40 AM permalink
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Coinbase have confirmed that they have given lots of transaction data to the IRS. This is the weakest link in BTC anonymity and evasion.



Very true. Anyone using Coinbase or another exchange and trying to stay anonymous is an idiot. If you want to stay private you must maintain your own wallet.
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June 9th, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

A former boss of mine once said to me, “What’s the point of owning a business if you can’t steal money from the government?”



The government has money?
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June 9th, 2021 at 11:04:07 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Very true. Anyone using Coinbase or another exchange and trying to stay anonymous is an idiot. If you want to stay private you must maintain your own wallet.

Hmmmmf.... I maintain my own wallet. But to convert to and from fiat is not so easy without using either an exchange, or a fiat transfer service like paypal.
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June 9th, 2021 at 11:37:21 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Very true. Anyone using Coinbase or another exchange and trying to stay anonymous is an idiot. If you want to stay private you must maintain your own wallet.



Correct which totally destroys the argument only criminals are interested in Bitcoin to protect their anonymity
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DRich
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June 9th, 2021 at 12:13:24 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Hmmmmf.... I maintain my own wallet. But to convert to and from fiat is not so easy without using either an exchange, or a fiat transfer service like paypal.



The best way is to find an individual that wants to buy for cash.
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June 9th, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Hmmmmf.... I maintain my own wallet. But to convert to and from fiat is not so easy without using either an exchange, or a fiat transfer service like paypal.



The best way is to find an individual that wants to buy for cash. You also avoid any fees.
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June 9th, 2021 at 12:32:24 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

The best way is to find an individual that wants to buy for cash. You also avoid any fees.




Great. Now, what do you do with a few hundred grand in cash? Money laundering rules are getting ridiculous. I recently switched some accounts from tdAmeritrade to a personal advisor who uses Pershing for their holding company. Sent over five accounts. Pershing refused to accept one because it had been funded with $67,000 in cash. I have to go back six years and reconstruct where the money to open the account in 2015 came from and show it wasn't drug or terrorist-related They won't even touch the profits in the account..
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June 9th, 2021 at 12:39:23 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

The best way is to find an individual that wants to buy for cash. You also avoid any fees.




Great. Now, what do you do with a few hundred grand in cash? Money laundering rules are getting ridiculous. I recently switched some accounts from tdAmeritrade to a personal advisor who uses Pershing for their holding company. Sent over five accounts. Pershing refused to accept one because it had been funded with $67,000 in cash. I have to go back six years and reconstruct where the money to open the account in 2015 came from and show it wasn't drug or terrorist-related They won't even touch the profits in the account..
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DRich
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June 9th, 2021 at 1:16:26 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Great. Now, what do you do with a few hundred grand in cash? Money laundering rules are getting ridiculous. I recently switched some accounts from tdAmeritrade to a personal advisor who uses Pershing for their holding company. Sent over five accounts. Pershing refused to accept one because it had been funded with $67,000 in cash. I have to go back six years and reconstruct where the money to open the account in 2015 came from and show it wasn't drug or terrorist-related They won't even touch the profits in the account..



Just hold the cash or deposit it very slowly. Obviously if it is millions it will be more difficult but if it is $100,000 it would be easy to deposit $1000 a day in various bank accounts over 100 days.
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June 9th, 2021 at 1:32:49 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Just hold the cash or deposit it very slowly. Obviously, if it is millions it will be more difficult but if it is $100,000 it would be easy to deposit $1000 a day in various bank accounts over 100 days.



My money works for me. Placing multiple deposits into multiple accounts simply to evade or avoid taxes is me working for the money.
There are ten thousand legitimate ways to reduce one's tax liability. Using bitcoin isn't one of them.
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OnceDear
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June 9th, 2021 at 1:33:33 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Very true. Anyone using Coinbase or another exchange and trying to stay anonymous is an idiot. If you want to stay private you must maintain your own wallet.

Hmmmmf.... I maintain my own wallet. But to convert to and from fiat is not so easy without using either an exchange, or a fiat transfer service like paypal.
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June 9th, 2021 at 1:51:21 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Great. Now, what do you do with a few hundred grand in cash? Money laundering rules are getting ridiculous. I recently switched some accounts from tdAmeritrade to a personal advisor who uses Pershing for their holding company. Sent over five accounts. Pershing refused to accept one because it had been funded with $67,000 in cash. I have to go back six years and reconstruct where the money to open the account in 2015 came from and show it wasn't drug or terrorist-related They won't even touch the profits in the account..



So let me get this straight.

You already are being scrutinized as a possible money launderer with Pershing but you don't like Bitcoin because it might make you look like a criminal?
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OnceDear
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June 9th, 2021 at 2:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Great. Now, what do you do with a few hundred grand in cash? Money laundering rules are getting ridiculous. I recently switched some accounts from tdAmeritrade to a personal advisor who uses Pershing for their holding company. Sent over five accounts. Pershing refused to accept one because it had been funded with $67,000 in cash. I have to go back six years and reconstruct where the money to open the account in 2015 came from and show it wasn't drug or terrorist-related They won't even touch the profits in the account..


AML and KYC rules a PITA. If asked to explain where £Xx,xxx came from before you can spend it is no different really to having it confiscated or flushed down the toilet. If told by Coinbase or some government, to explain where my BTC or £££ came from, I'd be hard pressed to present an audit trail. So far, one can just say 'I accumulated $xxxxx over 45 years of continuous employment' and that mostly gets accepted. Less easy with BTC.
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June 9th, 2021 at 2:23:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So let me get this straight.

You already are being scrutinized as a possible money launderer with Pershing but you don't like Bitcoin because it might make you look like a criminal?



I'm not ignoring you. It's just that most of your posts are just non-credible. When,(IF) you post something worth a response, you'll get one.
For what must be the thirtieth time, I don't like bitcoin as an investment. It has zero to do with any of the nonsensical leaps of logic you continue to make.
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June 9th, 2021 at 2:27:55 PM permalink
Just make sure you wrap it up in rubber bands and pay some anonymous guy to go to casinos in british columbia and launder it there they will gladly do it for you.

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