darkoz
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May 4th, 2021 at 10:03:31 AM permalink
One of the most famous judgements without a physical assault is the Chicago nickel judgement.

An elderly woman cashed out a nickel from a slot machine. (literally a nickel). She was surrounded, backroomed, ejected from the property and refused to be allowed to even catch her return bus from the Casino bus tour group location.

Her judgement was $875,000.05. The extra nickel was the juries message to the casino obviously.

It got reduced on appeal but was still mid six figures.

https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/1761/Gambling-with-Casino-s-nickel-and-the-big-prize-winning-judgement/
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May 4th, 2021 at 10:25:21 AM permalink
If you had brought this case to me, I would have listened patiently then gotten right to the core of the matter by explaining that even though you may have a righteous claim, that you had bloody hands by virtue of your manipulating the casino's system with handfuls of player cards that didn't belong to you. I would have asked if you intend to continue with this sort of thing, and then asked why you would want to put yourself out there like that if you were going to continue to live in a glass house.

In a case like this, if I did take it, I would have sent the client to a psychologist to establish that he was traumatized by the incident.

In your case, you weren't affected whatsoever, you went right back to the casinos to continue to do the same thing. If anything, you just wanted to establish that it was okay to continue doing the same thing. No jury would buy into that sort of thing, and any attorney familiar with casinos and gaming would have known that.

But...if you shop a loser case around enough, sometimes you will find an attorney willing to take it. And the expert witnesses on both sides who get paid in cash have no problem with these types of cases either.

I'd say that your getting this attorney to take the case was as much a function of her lack of knowledge about what she was in for, as a testament to your ability to sell yourself.

It is not significant that the case made it to trial...that was just the judge stating that as a matter of law, yes, this should go to the jury - that there were triable issues of fact. Didn't mean you had a winner.

I would advise against proceeding with your next lawsuit if it is anything along these same lines.
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May 4th, 2021 at 10:37:27 AM permalink
As there seems to be no mention of your lawsuit online it seems you chose not to file an appeal, as appellate decisions are typically published and found via google search, but trials are unpublished and remain in the dark.

Why didn't you file an appeal?

Not saying you should have, just wondering what the reasoning was.
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darkoz
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May 4th, 2021 at 10:48:05 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

As there seems to be no mention of your lawsuit online it seems you chose not to file an appeal, as appellate decisions are typically published and found via google search, but trials are unpublished and remain in the dark.

Why didn't you file an appeal?

Not saying you should have, just wondering what the reasoning was.



There were a few reasons.

One the appeal would have been out of pocket. My attorney made it clear her agreement in handling the case for judgement as her only pay did not include appeals.

Secondly, there was a second similar case involving my Casino partner who was also backroomed and had a separate upcoming trial and yes using this same attorney. It really wasn't about the money for me but about not having my rights trampled. Too many people on here can't imagine someone who isn't dog hungry for cash. But I was perfectly content with having my business partner go and hopefully, having learned what to expect, prevail in his own trial.

Unfortunately Covid then happened and my Casino buddy passed away from Covid complications.

It was this second trial coming up that I hesitated discussion of this but that's not going to happen now.
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May 4th, 2021 at 10:58:58 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

One of the most famous judgements without a physical assault is the Chicago nickel judgement.

No reason to keep the name of the Casino under wraps, is there ? MotorCity Casino in Detroit .
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May 4th, 2021 at 1:09:39 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

No reason to keep the name of the Casino under wraps, is there ? MotorCity Casino in Detroit .



I really doubt it was in Michigan when the Wizard was staying near JFK airport.
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darkoz
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May 4th, 2021 at 1:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I really doubt it was in Michigan when the Wizard was staying near JFK airport.



Ugghhh!

Good example of how threads and posts lead to confusion.

The lawsuit I was involved in was Resorts World in NYC.

I think it was you DRich that said you would be shocked at any six figures award for a non-violent backroomed situation.

I mentioned the casino case in which $875,000 was awarded for a non-violent backroomed situation.

It was pointed out this was at Motor City Casino said case back in 2001.

Hope that clears the confusion
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MrV
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May 4th, 2021 at 2:15:36 PM permalink
I can certainly understand why RW fought tooth and claw, as there is little if any precedent in NY for cases of this type.

In LV guys like Bob N. have beaten a path to a payday but the east coast casinos want to avoid or delay this as long as possible.

Once the word is out via example that they can be successfully sued in NY then the mini-floodgates of litigation may open, causing the casinos some expensive paydays.

DO, not knocking your attorney but good grief man, she never tried a case of this type before?

Obviously she was outmatched: it happens ... a lot.
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JohnnyQ
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May 4th, 2021 at 3:26:13 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I really doubt it was in Michigan when the Wizard was staying near JFK airport.

OK, I guess I should have used the quote thingie to point out what I was referring to. Oh wait, I did.

BUT yes, I agree it can be confusing jumping around a bit. DARKOZ jumped first.

Anyhows, I was referring to this:

Quote: darkoz

One of the most famous judgements without a physical assault is the Chicago nickel judgement.

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May 4th, 2021 at 3:29:22 PM permalink
I know Maryland casinos have been sued successfully for backrooomings.
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