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Hunterhill
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April 21st, 2021 at 5:25:15 PM permalink
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I only collect cards of people I know. Plus a couple ID cards of the late Ken Uston.



I have a very learn Beat the Dealer. I also have both of Grosjean's books. Everything else is nothing special, just good mathematical gambling books.


I also collect gambling books mostly blackjack.
I have an original copy of playing blackjack to win by the four horsemen Maisel,Cantey, McDermott and Baldwin from 1956.Itís spiral bound and in good condition I found it on Ebay for $ 10. Just a few years earlier a copy sold for 300ish.
In general I think EBay has driven down the price of gambling books, with the exception of Grosjeans.
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billryan
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:17:24 PM permalink
Many collectibles have nosedived in value as eBay proved them to be plentiful. As a teenager who collected comic books and built Aurora models, I had two or three stores to buy from. Two comic conventions a year gave me a chance to buy from out-of-town dealers.
When I had my stores, I needed people to walk through the doors. Now I can buy stuff from China and sell something to someone in Brazil or Ireland.
In a lot of cases, it turned out the supply in people's attics surpassed demand. Many collectibles have not aged well. Every boy in America wanted a coonskin cap in the 1950s. How many of their grandsons want one?
On the other hand, eBay quickly showed which stuff was in demand, and prices for some things skyrocketed.
Nothing like what's going on now, though. Comics that sat in dollar boxes for years are suddenly selling for hundreds or thousands just because a character pops up on Disney+.
Interesting times.
billryan
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:22:06 PM permalink
Interesting times.

The new owner of the NY Mets just purchased a company that intends to use AI to grade collectibles.
Very interesting.
Keeneone
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:35:41 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

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The new owner of the NY Mets just purchased a company that intends to use AI to grade collectibles.
Very interesting.

editing mine

That company, PSA (part of Collectors Universe), seems to be the "big dog" of card grading for ROI. I recently went down the rabbit hole of card grading and the number of grading companies (and their acronyms) is crazy.
PSA, BGS, SCG, BCCG, CSG, CGC, HGA, GEM, GAI, CCS, SCD
Wow, what a mouthful. Apparently PSA is slammed right now. They no longer are accepting lower fee grading items until at least July. I guess they are trying to hire and catch up with demand.
billryan
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:42:49 PM permalink
Quote: Keeneone

editing mine

That company, PSA (part of Collectors Universe), seems to be the "big dog" of card grading for ROI. I recently went down the rabbit hole of card grading and the number of grading companies (and their acronyms) is crazy.
PSA, BGS, SCG, BCCG, CSG, CGC, HGA, GEM, GAI, CCS, SCD
Wow, what a mouthful. Apparently PSA is slammed right now. They no longer are accepting lower fee grading items until at least July. I guess they are trying to hire and catch up with demand.



That's a different company. Today it was announced they bought Genamint, a Long Island start up that claims it has AI that grades cards and maybe other items.
A realistic turnaround time for economy card submissions is approaching a year.
charliepatrick
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:47:24 PM permalink
I fall for collecting things and have lots of 7" singles, a collection of chips from casinos I've been to, and a few scarves from Southampton Football (mainly the ones with both the away and home team). I also have a few board games, but because I play them rather than collect them. Both my record and chip collecting have taken me on holidays, like a week going to all the casinos in Northern Nevada, and going to the largest record fair in Europe most years. The internet now means it can be easier to find some records; I recently found a single on e-bay which I've been searching for over 30 years - not rare but just difficult to find.
Keeneone
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:56:32 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

That's a different company. Today it was announced they bought Genamint, a Long Island start up that claims it has AI that grades cards and maybe other items.
A realistic turnaround time for economy card submissions is approaching a year.


I might be misunderstanding you but Cohen (Cohen Private Ventures, LLC) is involved in some way with PSA now:
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/psa-parent-company-agrees-to-700-million-buyout-offer/
DRich
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April 21st, 2021 at 6:56:42 PM permalink
I never collected anything. I really didn't understand the point of it as a kid when every other kid was collecting. Today I would understand collecting for potential profit but I don't think that is why kids were collecting back in the day.
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Keeneone
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April 21st, 2021 at 7:09:26 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I fall for collecting things and have lots of 7" singles, a collection of chips from casinos I've been to, and a few scarves from Southampton Football (mainly the ones with both the away and home team). I also have a few board games, but because I play them rather than collect them. Both my record and chip collecting have taken me on holidays, like a week going to all the casinos in Northern Nevada, and going to the largest record fair in Europe most years. The internet now means it can be easier to find some records; I recently found a single on e-bay which I've been searching for over 30 years - not rare but just difficult to find.


Please forgive my ignorance of football scarves, but how often are the home/away ones available? Are they always available, a yearly thing, or once in lifetime? I know I have seen them, but I always assumed it was the name/colors of one team.
billryan
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April 21st, 2021 at 7:14:18 PM permalink
Quote: Keeneone

I might be misunderstanding you but Cohen (Cohen Private Ventures, LLC) is involved in some way with PSA now:
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/psa-parent-company-agrees-to-700-million-buyout-offer/



Yes, they took Collectors Universe private. Today they bought a company that has technology that supposedly can take the human factor out of grading collectibles. Rather than a highly trained human who can grade 75-100 cards an hour and needs benefits and breaks, the tech can scan an item and examine it on the pixel level. It might be able to grade 4,000 cards an hour more accurately than any human can do 60. If it works, it's a game-changer as it will detect the slightest manipulations.
I'd never heard of the company before the sale was announced.
I'm much more into comics than cards but hope this can be used on them, as well.

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