How do you change your oil

Quote: AZDuffman

In need of validation? I am not the one arguing against it to the end of the earth. I just made a common point. As usual people here cannot handle a general statement.

You made a point. Then you asked a follow-up question when someone had a different take. Then you re-stated your point. Then you re-stated it, and expanded on it. Then re-state it again and again.

I'll give you another reason it is obtuse: it generally lacks self-awareness. For example, saying others "cannot handle a general statement", when you are doing the exact same thing they are. Or consider this theory: a real-man can accept different opinions, handle the slightest bit of criticism, and not feel the need to always get the last word it.

Real men ride Harleys and let their old ladies handle their light stuff.

Quote: TomG

-It comes across as though you are in desperate need of validation.
-It declares there is weakness in having variation among a group of people, which is the exact opposite of what is true.

One of my favorite posts of all time. I just didn't know how to put in words that thought.
I would never say that not knowing how to safely put someone to sleep makes him not a 'real man'.
So some can change oil. Some can be anesthesiologists. I'll bet a bunch of my colleagues can change oil. Good for them.

Quote: AZDuffman

Why on earth does it bother you so much that someone says a man should know how to change his oil and how car brakes work?

It annoyed me that you basically suggested guys that dont know how to, or haven't done those things are not manly men or those things would somehow make you one.

Then you basically associated those two things with being a renaissance man, that is laguable to me. You wanted to simplify the meaning of a renaissance man to support your use of the word. Simplifying it as you did would make most guys renaissance men.

Quote: Ace2

The James Bond character was largely based on a homosexual British intelligence officer. Not sure if that qualifies as “a real man”

Aston Martin = Miata (-;

Quote: AZDuffman

Why on earth does it bother you so much that someone says a man should know how to change his oil and how car brakes work?

Personally, I just think it is outdated. I am trying to think of an equivalent today but I am not having much luck. Probably something with the internet.

Quote: AxelWolf

It annoyed me that you basically suggested guys that dont know how to, or haven't done those things are not manly men or those things would somehow make you one.

Then you basically associated those two things with being a renaissance man, that is laguable to me. You wanted to simplify the meaning of a renaissance man to support your use of the word. Simplifying it as you did would make most guys renaissance men.

So on one hand you say most guys know how to change oil based on my definition of renaissance man but on the other get upset that most guys don't know how to change oil?

Sorry, but renaissance man would mean knowing both blue collar and white collar jobs. As I said, based on how important cars are to our life renaissance man needs to know a bit about the mechanics of cars. And being able to do the blue collar things is a requirement for "manly" where I come from. Instead of getting upset go learn how to change oil if it bothers you that you are not meeting the definition I have thrown down. Or just don't let it bother you. I could care less either way, I lead my own life.

Quote: DRich

Personally, I just think it is outdated. I am trying to think of an equivalent today but I am not having much luck. Probably something with the internet.

Arguably, knowing how to set up and use Bluetooth/Navigation/Apple Carplay/Android Auto/wireless hotspot may be more important than knowing how to change the oil in todays automobiles. :)

If you don’t know how to hang a bear bag and cold soak your meals you’re not a renaissance man.

Quote: mcallister3200

If you don’t know how to hang a bear bag and cold soak your meals you’re not a renaissance man.

Problem solved: Yeti cooler and Clif bars



https://www.clifbar.com/

Quote: Keeneone

Arguably, knowing how to set up and use Bluetooth/Navigation/Apple Carplay/Android Auto/wireless hotspot may be more important than knowing how to change the oil in todays automobiles. :)

But a manly man knows how to do both!

I've done lots of my own car repairs. I've replaced clutches, timing chains, water pumps, and most of the bolt ons (alternators, starters, fuel pumps, etc). I've done most of the suspension parts. I put a supercharger on my Miata. I haven't had to rebuild or replace an engine or transmission. I think I could have, though. It's just nuts and bolts and following instructions.

When I was younger, I did the repairs because of money. When I was older, I did them because it was fun and I wanted to learn stuff.

Now, I don't do any of that. I can afford to pay, and it isn't fun any more and anyhow I know how to do it already so I don't need to learn. I'm just too old to go crawling around a car any more.

Quote: Mosca

Now, I don't do any of that. I can afford to pay, and it isn't fun any more and anyhow I know how to do it already so I don't need to learn. I'm just too old to go crawling around a car any more.

That is about where I am. The best part is when you talk to a wise-ass service manager and shut down their nonsense. Or like I had a SUV once blew a master cylinder a week after I bought it. I tell the guy at the desk the problem and get a "what makes you think that is what it is?" Polite and probing but I was like, "because I know how brakes work and know what it is." Or another one who I told the problem was warped rotors and said it could be the ABS. I said check what you are required to, but it is the rotors. Well, guess who was right.

Quote: AZDuffman

That is about where I am. The best part is when you talk to a wise-ass service manager and shut down their nonsense. Or like I had a SUV once blew a master cylinder a week after I bought it. I tell the guy at the desk the problem and get a "what makes you think that is what it is?" Polite and probing but I was like, "because I know how brakes work and know what it is." Or another one who I told the problem was warped rotors and said it could be the ABS. I said check what you are required to, but it is the rotors. Well, guess who was right.

I definitely agree that being less ignorant about how things work is useful, but it applies to woman as well. And pretty much everyone.

Who doesn’t want the girlfriend working on their hot rod when she knows what she’s doing?

Quote: rxwine

I definitely agree that being less ignorant about how things work is useful, but it applies to woman as well. And pretty much everyone.

Who doesn’t want the girlfriend working on their hot rod when she knows what she’s doing?

The only thing that I want my wife or girlfriend doing on the car is changing the blinker fluid.

Quote: AZDuffman

But a manly man knows how to do both!

So I guess if you’re an Amish man you’re not manly.

Quote: AZDuffman

So on one hand you say most guys know how to change oil based on my definition of renaissance man but on the other get upset that most guys don't know how to change oil?

Sorry, but renaissance man would mean knowing both blue collar and white collar jobs. As I said, based on how important cars are to our life renaissance man needs to know a bit about the mechanics of cars. And being able to do the blue collar things is a requirement for "manly" where I come from. Instead of getting upset go learn how to change oil if it bothers you that you are not meeting the definition I have thrown down. Or just don't let it bother you. I could care less either way, I lead my own life.

First off, as I already stated, I know how to change oil, do breaks, and much more when it comes to cars, I have rebuilt and installed engines with my fathers supervision. I have oftentimes done my own auto repairs. Even nowadays, I sometime put in my own car stereo systems, amplifier and all, I have even done it without using a wiring harness. I'm always attempting to do things myself, even if I have never done it before.

I'm not upset, and it's not bothering me, it takes something much more serious and important to get me upset. This is a forum where people have discussions, this is the discussion right now. I said, I was annoyed, and I though your statement was obtuse since I know some people who I would consider manly men, men that probably haven't done brakes or changed their own oil.

Where did I say most guys know how to change their own oil? I never said that or indicated that, I have no clue what the percentage is. You simplified the definition of a renaissance man when you tossed out a textbook definition 'a person with many talents or areas of knowledge'. If that's the case, and If being able to change your oil and do your brakes is among the qualifications of being a renaissance man( a relatively easy tasks for the average guy who is interested in that) then perhaps being able to change a lightbulb, take out the trash, pump gas, put water in your radiator, mow the lawn , change a bike tire, fix a bike chain, jack up a car, jump start a car, use some power tools are all qualifications as well. In that case, every handyman and backyard mechanic and average hillbilly would a super renaissance man.

Nowadays, it seems like computers and cellphones are very important to our lives, so perhaps being able to fix those things would be more important than being able to change your oil and do your breaks(I sometime fix my own computers).

There is some guy out there saying "where I come from" all you guys are a bunch of nancy boys. I'm fairly certain that's something my father would have many years ago and didn't know better. Perhaps deservingly so given his background, many skills and talents. Hell, he would have probably kicked someone's ass for calling him a renaissance man.

I'm fairly certain most of us live our own lives, and when it comes right down to it, most of us could care less about all this, but here we are discussing it.

Quote: DRich

The only thing that I want my wife or girlfriend doing on the car is changing the blinker fluid.

Quote: DRich

The only thing that I want my wife or girlfriend doing on the car is changing the blinker fluid.

Quote: AxelWolf

First off, as I already stated, I know how to change oil, do breaks, and much more when it comes to cars, I have rebuilt and installed engines with my fathers supervision. I have oftentimes done my own auto repairs. Even nowadays, I sometime put in my own car stereo systems, amplifier and all, I have even done it without using a wiring harness. I'm always attempting to do things myself, even if I have never done it before.

B-R-A-K-E-S

Quote: rxwine

Who doesn’t want the girlfriend working on their hot rod when she knows what she’s doing?

I don't. I do not want her to be a clueless ditz who lets the mechanic replace the flux capacitor, but I am not looking for one who works on the car.

I want a gf (well, before I went MGTOW) who can do the things I cannot do well or do not want to do.

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: AxelWolf

First off, as I already stated, I know how to change oil, do breaks, and much more when it comes to cars, I have rebuilt and installed engines with my fathers supervision. I have oftentimes done my own auto repairs. Even nowadays, I sometime put in my own car stereo systems, amplifier and all, I have even done it without using a wiring harness. I'm always attempting to do things myself, even if I have never done it before.

B-R-A-K-E-S

Obviously, but my voice to text doesn't seem to know that.

Newish automobile skills I have been forced to learn in the last couple of years:
-how to unlock a keyless automobile when the battery dies.
-how to get an e-shifter vehicle into neutral with a dead battery.

Quote: Keeneone

-how to get an e-shifter vehicle into neutral with a dead battery.

Interesting. I would never have thought of that one.

Quote: AxelWolf

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Quote: AxelWolf

First off, as I already stated, I know how to change oil, do breaks, and much more when it comes to cars, I have rebuilt and installed engines with my fathers supervision. I have oftentimes done my own auto repairs. Even nowadays, I sometime put in my own car stereo systems, amplifier and all, I have even done it without using a wiring harness. I'm always attempting to do things myself, even if I have never done it before.

B-R-A-K-E-S

Obviously, but my voice to text doesn't seem to know that.

Which is just one reason I hate VTT.

Quote: Keeneone

Newish automobile skills I have been forced to learn in the last couple of years:
-how to unlock a keyless automobile when the battery dies.
-how to get an e-shifter vehicle into neutral with a dead battery.

I completely do not like the way cars are going with the electrics. I want a solid cable to my e-brake. I do not like the idea of nothing connected to open the doors. Nor acceleration by wire, steer by wire, or all the rest. I wonder if in 10 years when this stuff is wearing out it will hold up?

Is there a point to any of this drivel?

Quote: AZDuffman

I completely do not like the way cars are going with the electrics. I want a solid cable to my e-brake. I do not like the idea of nothing connected to open the doors. Nor acceleration by wire, steer by wire, or all the rest. I wonder if in 10 years when this stuff is wearing out it will hold up?

They don't want that. Bur you probably wouldn't want it either if complexity and obsolescence kept you in business. HANDS OFF.

BAD!!!!
At 117-year-old (as of June 2018), the Centennial Light is the world's longest-lasting light bulb. Burning since June of 1901, it is currently located inside Fire Station #6 at 4550 East Avenue, Livermore, California, and maintained by the Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Departmen

GOOD
replace bulb every 3-4 years.

Quote: rxwine

They don't want that. Bur you probably wouldn't want it either if complexity and obsolescence kept you in business. HANDS OFF.

BAD!!!!
At 117-year-old (as of June 2018), the Centennial Light is the world's longest-lasting light bulb. Burning since June of 1901, it is currently located inside Fire Station #6 at 4550 East Avenue, Livermore, California, and maintained by the Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Departmen

GOOD
replace bulb every 3-4 years.

I have lost brakes twice in my life so that makes me want a solid cable.

Quote: Keeneone

Newish automobile skills I have been forced to learn in the last couple of years:
-how to unlock a keyless automobile when the battery dies.

I have had this happen, theres a special key inside my key fob that you have to do a combination of turns in order for it to work and unlock the door, its kinda tricky.

I also lost my key fob and it cost me like 400 to replace it, i don't remember the exactly what it cost now. I kinda got scammed from the mobile locksmith guy . It was a pain in the ass and pricy to go to the dealership and get one made and programed so i just wanted someone to come out and do it. I called around asking for prices, I finally got quoted about $225 or something like that. I knew that was suspiciously low, but I was desperate to get it done ASAP. I knew/know there are lots of crooks in the locksmith business.

When the guy(I think he was Armenian or something like that)got here he said he had to charge me extra to get inside the car since the car doors were locked and he needed to get inside to make me a new key. I said, of course, I'm locked out of the car, why else would I have called you guys? He said, "I don't know, maybe you just wanted an extra key made, how would I know that?" I'm sure I said something smart ass back, but i can't recall what I said now.

I also messed up and originally miss stated the year of my car by one year, this didn't technically really matter and I knew this since there isn't a change in the process or anything special between the year I stated and the year of my car. Nonetheless, this gave the guy the opportunity to claim their quote was based on the year I stated, but this particular year would be more. I told him this was all BS and i knew it. I was going to tell him to FK off, but, I just said to myself FK it, since I needed it done ASAP(there was some important thing in the car I needed) and it would cost me the same or more going somewhere else. Also, it's probably not a good idea to mess with the locksmith that now knows where you live and what you drive.

To make things worst, I found my original key fob a few days later in a place I already searched, I just did not search that spot well enough.

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Quote: AxelWolf

First off, as I already stated, I know how to change oil, do breaks, and much more when it comes to cars, I have rebuilt and installed engines with my fathers supervision. I have oftentimes done my own auto repairs. Even nowadays, I sometime put in my own car stereo systems, amplifier and all, I have even done it without using a wiring harness. I'm always attempting to do things myself, even if I have never done it before.

B-R-A-K-E-S

Obviously, but my voice to text doesn't seem to know that.

Which is just one reason I hate VTT.

I had a really good one that I liked on my computer before it crashed, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be available any longer. I'm sure I can locate a copy of it if I tried, I just haven't taken the time to do so.

Quote: billryan

Is there a point to any of this drivel?

That's kinda rude Bill, I can ask that about many of the conversations here, including ones you participate in. For instance, who really cares about what anyone ate today?

Quote: AZDuffman

I have lost brakes twice in my life

Probably the ones you fixed yourself 🤣

Quote: AxelWolf

-snip-
To make things worst, I found my original key fob a few days later in a place I already searched, I just did not search that spot well enough.

At least you found the lost one, it is worth $$.
OEM keyfob pricing from dealerships is getting a bit high IMO. I was quoted close to $300 for one and said no thanks, I'll make do with one key. It was a unique keyfob because it had a remote start button on it, but $300 for an extra key?
I can get 10 oil changes for that kind of money. :)

Seems the oil filter gets stuck and is made of thinner metal. Custom wrench didnt work. Had to use giant plier to come off.

I change oil myself bc i save time

Quote: jjjoooggg

Seems the oil filter gets stuck and is made of thinner metal. Custom wrench didnt work. Had to use giant plier to come off.

I change oil myself bc i save time

You can also use a strap wrench. I can’t remember why I bought mine but it comes in handy more often than you’d expect. For removing oil filters, pool filters, even stuck jar lids

Quote: AxelWolf

I have had this happen, theres a special key inside my key fob that you have to do a combination of turns in order for it to work and unlock the door, its kinda tricky.

I also lost my key fob and it cost me like 400 to replace it, i don't remember the exactly what it cost now. I kinda got scammed from the mobile locksmith guy . It was a pain in the ass and pricy to go to the dealership and get one made and programed so i just wanted someone to come out and do it. I called around asking for prices, I finally got quoted about $225 or something like that. I knew that was suspiciously low, but I was desperate to get it done ASAP. I knew/know there are lots of crooks in the locksmith business.

When the guy(I think he was Armenian or something like that)got here he said he had to charge me extra to get inside the car since the car doors were locked and he needed to get inside to make me a new key. I said, of course, I'm locked out of the car, why else would I have called you guys? He said, "I don't know, maybe you just wanted an extra key made, how would I know that?" I'm sure I said something smart ass back, but i can't recall what I said now.

I also messed up and originally miss stated the year of my car by one year, this didn't technically really matter and I knew this since there isn't a change in the process or anything special between the year I stated and the year of my car. Nonetheless, this gave the guy the opportunity to claim their quote was based on the year I stated, but this particular year would be more. I told him this was all BS and i knew it. I was going to tell him to FK off, but, I just said to myself FK it, since I needed it done ASAP(there was some important thing in the car I needed) and it would cost me the same or more going somewhere else. Also, it's probably not a good idea to mess with the locksmith that now knows where you live and what you drive.

To make things worst, I found my original key fob a few days later in a place I already searched, I just did not search that spot well enough.

I think you are better off losing a fob than a early-mid 2000’s car with an actual key.

I lost the only key I had to a 2001 or 2002 highlander. Multiple places quoted me in the $900 range. Something about a security chip in the physical key that made it really expensive to re-key the car.

Fortunately I eventually found the key and had a copy made for $10 so it wouldn’t happen again.

Quote: AZDuffman

I have lost brakes twice in my life so that makes me want a solid cable.

I've never seen the brakes fail on a well-maintained car. It's usually the result of some inept installation, generally by someone who thinks he knows more than he does.

Quote: billryan

I've never seen the brakes fail on a well-maintained car. It's usually the result of some inept installation, generally by someone who thinks he knows more than he does.

I did my first brake job (pads/rotors) last year. It’s very easy...would be difficult to mess up the job

Quote: billryan

I've never seen the brakes fail on a well-maintained car. It's usually the result of some inept installation, generally by someone who thinks he knows more than he does.

Once it was an older car and blew a brake line. The other was when I forgot to release the parking brake and boiled the brake fluid.

No matter, I prefer that solid connection.

By the way, I'm afraid to do anything at the dealership. They broke my engine cover, and did not say anything, I found it myself, after a while, came to them, and pointing out their mistake they did not believe it, I through difficulties still with the ability to prove it and they wanted me to glue the old, I grinned and began to swear. They put a new one, and imagine how many things they can break and you do not notice it and they will not tell you that. So do it better in the car services, which you will be confident or better yet do it yourself, so there is a higher probability that everything will be fine. So when buying a car and reading that the man serviced at the dealer, I treat this purchase with caution!

I don't know that and I won't even touch xD I go to the mechanic and he does everything

Try to change it yourself. You have to start somewhere.

Quote: Maxxx17

Try to change it yourself. You have to start somewhere.
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Just buy a new car every 10,000 miles and don't worry about changing oil.

Quote: DRich

Quote: Maxxx17

Try to change it yourself. You have to start somewhere.
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Just buy a new car every 10,000 miles and don't worry about changing oil.
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This is more subtle and hilarious than an iconic thank-you could properly commend.