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December 30th, 2020 at 6:20:28 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Well, let me unconfuse you.

I am asking why management here said there would be a suspension for calling it "china virus" but seems fine with "british virus" or whatever part of Britain it is being named after. Are they not concerned a bunch of rednecks are going to attack some Brits they find, which was a reason given for the previous ban?



I can't say that I have been closely following this forum the last few weeks. But, I can't see an instance of a mod saying that phrase is not allowed (not using it on purpose in case it is a rule). I know on DT it is used nonstop by some..... So I don't see it being banned here....

Is it wrong to say MERS? (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome)? (which is also a coronavirus, and also probably spread to humans from eating bats and camels....).
A lot of medical stuff is named after its (presumed) origin, I don't see the issue as long as it is the official name (which the phrase in question is not to be fair, and if it is used as a slur, I can see why it would be banned).
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December 30th, 2020 at 8:51:15 PM permalink
There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling Covid-19 the China Virus, or the Wu Flu. There's also nothing wrong with referring to the British variant.

Anyone that says otherwise is merely being pretentious and is "virtue signaling".

I'm not offended by a virus named after a location, which is yet another reason why I'm happier than people that are so easily offended.
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December 30th, 2020 at 11:14:32 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling Covid-19 the China Virus, or the Wu Flu. There's also nothing wrong with referring to the British variant.

Anyone that says otherwise is merely being pretentious and is "virtue signaling".

I'm not offended by a virus named after a location, which is yet another reason why I'm happier than people that are so easily offended.



Can I just call you whatever I want because it's not offensive to me?

If not why not?

When people started using derogatory associations whether minor ones or major, it was always fine with the person using it.
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December 31st, 2020 at 1:45:57 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Well, let me unconfuse you.

I am asking why management here said there would be a suspension for calling it "china virus" but seems fine with "british virus" or whatever part of Britain it is being named after. Are they not concerned a bunch of rednecks are going to attack some Brits they find, which was a reason given for the previous ban?

OK. I'm 'management' here and I'm a Brit. AIUI, that puts me in a reasonable position to determine if the term 'British covid' is offensive.

I do see it as offensive and I'll explain why. That will require a brief mention of politics, for which I apologise.
Certain Americans have used the term China Virus alongside very clear 'Blaming' of the Chinese nature for the virus. Certainly far from crediting the Chinese for identifying or gene sequencing the threat. Those same Americans were demonising China, and by extension anyone of Chinese ethnicity. By any stretch of the imagination, that was hostile and offensive.
Now, we Brits have identified a new strain, mostly because we needed to, when we saw it's characteristics here. It's a similar situation to Denmark identifying a strain in Danish mink farms. To call that the Danish Covid would demonise the Danish, but no-one seemed to see any fun or political capital in that.

Imagine for a moment that one day, you came home from the office and found you had headlice. Now obviously, you were not causative of the infestation of your place of work, but if you went to the office next day and advised your colleagues that they might need to use an anti-lice shampoo, would you be grateful if you were to be immortalised with the expression 'Duffman's nits'? That would not be giving you credit, but would be deriding you. You would rightly be offended every-time you heard that term.

I chose not to suspend or act on the OP for using the term British Covid even though I saw it as offensive. It was insensitive and possibly ignorant, but the rules here do not preclude insensitivity or ignorance or maybe unintended racism. That another moderator suspended for the racist, ignorant or insensitive 'China Virus' barb is his prerogative and I'm guessing it related to the alignment of that comment with the racism of a certain high profile celebrity.

Incidentally, I would not use the term 'Rednecks' because I understand that may be offensive to Southern Americans. Similarly I would tend not describe my American associates as Yanks, because that is mildly perjorative in the wrong context. But yes. There might well have been an attempt to stir up racist attacks on Brit's by ignorant Americans, just as there was racist hostility to Chinese or even Chinese looking persons after similar incitement.
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December 31st, 2020 at 3:18:08 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

OK. I'm 'management' here and I'm a Brit. AIUI, that puts me in a reasonable position to determine if the term 'British covid' is offensive.

I do see it as offensive and I'll explain why. That will require a brief mention of politics, for which I apologise.
Certain Americans have used the term China Virus alongside very clear 'Blaming' of the Chinese nature for the virus. Certainly far from crediting the Chinese for identifying or gene sequencing the threat. Those same Americans were demonising China, and by extension anyone of Chinese ethnicity. By any stretch of the imagination, that was hostile and offensive.
Now, we Brits have identified a new strain, mostly because we needed to, when we saw it's characteristics here. It's a similar situation to Denmark identifying a strain in Danish mink farms. To call that the Danish Covid would demonise the Danish, but no-one seemed to see any fun or political capital in that.

Imagine for a moment that one day, you came home from the office and found you had headlice. Now obviously, you were not causative of the infestation of your place of work, but if you went to the office next day and advised your colleagues that they might need to use an anti-lice shampoo, would you be grateful if you were to be immortalised with the expression 'Duffman's nits'? That would not be giving you credit, but would be deriding you. You would rightly be offended every-time you heard that term.

I chose not to suspend or act on the OP for using the term British Covid even though I saw it as offensive. It was insensitive and possibly ignorant, but the rules here do not preclude insensitivity or ignorance or maybe unintended racism. That another moderator suspended for the racist, ignorant or insensitive 'China Virus' barb is his prerogative and I'm guessing it related to the alignment of that comment with the racism of a certain high profile celebrity.

Incidentally, I would not use the term 'Rednecks' because I understand that may be offensive to Southern Americans. Similarly I would tend not describe my American associates as Yanks, because that is mildly perjorative in the wrong context. But yes. There might well have been an attempt to stir up racist attacks on Brit's by ignorant Americans, just as there was racist hostility to Chinese or even Chinese looking persons after similar incitement.



I was trying to show the hypocrisy of those who were insistent on calling it the China virus this Spring.

Upon retrospect, I went about it the wrong way

Let this serve as an apology if you or anyone was offended
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December 31st, 2020 at 3:23:42 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I was trying to show the hypocrisy of those who were insistent on calling it the China virus this Spring.

Upon retrospect, I went about it the wrong way

Let this serve as an apology if you or anyone was offended

No problem. Thanks. You at least got the topic aired.
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December 31st, 2020 at 3:34:44 AM permalink
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I chose not to suspend or act on the OP for using the term British Covid even though I saw it as offensive. It was insensitive and possibly ignorant, but the rules here do not preclude insensitivity or ignorance or maybe unintended racism. That another moderator suspended for the racist, ignorant or insensitive 'China Virus' barb is his prerogative and I'm guessing it related to the alignment of that comment with the racism of a certain high profile celebrity.



Only responding to part of this.

I do not know that anyone got suspended for saying "china virus" but I do remember being warned we would if we did. Your wording of "her (corrected) prerogative" is where my problem lies. If we are going to have this kind of rule it should be universal, not a particular moderator deciding all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

The "rednecks" comment was made because one reason given for not allowing "china virus" was supposed attacks on Chinese people by what whoever brought it up would call them "rednecks." IOW, demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.

I have brought up what I consider Barb's biased moderation before.

Is "china virus" allowed now? Is "british virus" banned? Or are all animals equal but some are more equal than others?
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December 31st, 2020 at 5:59:03 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Is "china virus" allowed now? Is "british virus" banned? Or are all animals equal but some are more equal than others?

I will probably not suspend for either, but would discourage both. YMMV.
Each case is decided by whichever moderator chooses to act, or not.

You now know the risk.

I've already made clear my opinion that both terms are offensive to me. Some members, and moderators, have expressed opposing opinions. I respect all those views.
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December 31st, 2020 at 6:19:45 AM permalink
I don't really find any words, terms or phrases offensive.
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December 31st, 2020 at 7:51:21 AM permalink
It is being referred to as the “uk strain” in news articles and reports for better or worse. Is uncooked bat soup a thing in Britia now?

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