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August 6th, 2019 at 5:12:35 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

There's this thing called "lying", and how it works is...get on stage and lie your a** off about everything.

Even to the point of saying you could kill people on 5th ave and get away with it.

Wait, no, THAT's rhetoric. /thumbsup

This whole convo started because AZ said only suckers donate. I merely pointed out that Trump is a sucker because he bragged about donating...over and over. But then, in predictable fashion, he said that Trump wasn't a sucker, but everybody else must be?

Again with the different set of rules for Trump vs. everybody else.



Maybe I need to clarify.

Trump, and guys like him, have to donate as a cost of doing business. As I said, same as a bodega owner in Ozone Park has to sponsor a little league team that does not exist. Occasionally paying the shakedown is the only way. Microsoft learned this in the late 1990s. They did not make donations. They got investigated for anti-trust violations.

People who donate thinking it matters. like those suckers who sent checks to Obama in 2008 to "make a difference." They are wasting their money. Sending it to a machine of political consultants and ad agencies. Their hard earned money, gone.
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August 6th, 2019 at 5:19:23 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

There's this thing called "lying", and how it works is...get on stage and lie your a** off about everything.

Even to the point of saying you could kill people on 5th ave and get away with it.

Wait, no, THAT's rhetoric. /thumbsup

This whole convo started because AZ said only suckers donate. I merely pointed out that Trump is a sucker because he bragged about donating...over and over. But then, in predictable fashion, he said that Trump wasn't a sucker, but everybody else must be?

Again with the different set of rules for Trump vs. everybody else.



I don't know anything about any of that. I have noticed that AZDuffman tends to make absolute statements a good deal of the time, even when he might not intend to. For instance, if his statement had been, "Everyone below a certain income level who donates to politicians is a sucker," I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that statement.

There's no question that there is a certain quid pro quo that is possible when a wealthy individual makes a donation to a politician. Unless that politician is Gary Johnson, he'll just offer you a refund if you don't like what he's doing.
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August 6th, 2019 at 5:32:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I don't know anything about any of that. I have noticed that AZDuffman tends to make absolute statements a good deal of the time, even when he might not intend to. For instance, if his statement had been, "Everyone below a certain income level who donates to politicians is a sucker," I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that statement.



Yes, I make absolute and general statements because we are having a general conversation. I expect most readers understand this kind of conversation. I do not care about some exception someone knows in Racine, Wisconsin which does not change the general statement.
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August 6th, 2019 at 5:52:31 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I do not care about some exception someone knows in Racine, Wisconsin which does not change the general statement.



Sure it does. It can be the difference between ordering a massacre and ordering the attack on combatants. It does service to a whole host of wrong-headed thinking.
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August 6th, 2019 at 5:56:55 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Sure it does. It can be the difference between ordering a massacre and ordering the attack on combatants. It does service to a whole host of wrong-headed thinking.



I can't even follow whatever point you are trying to make.

In my life I have learned the more intelligent people can handle generalized conversation. They draw the conclusion of what is being presented. Less intelligent people or those trying to look more intelligent than they are always mention the rare exception. They cannot draw the conclusion.
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August 6th, 2019 at 6:47:13 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I can't even follow whatever point you are trying to make.

In my life I have learned the more intelligent people can handle generalized conversation. They draw the conclusion of what is being presented. Less intelligent people or those trying to look more intelligent than they are always mention the rare exception. They cannot draw the conclusion.



Mission's example couldn't be characterized as a rare exception. He was still referring to a large group of people.

In my life, I've learned more intelligent people prefer to be accurate, or correct as possible, time and circumstances permitting.
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August 7th, 2019 at 2:36:53 PM permalink
Okay, I'm going to dvr de Blasio on Hannity tonight. This sounds like must-see TV.
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August 7th, 2019 at 3:15:44 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Okay, I'm going to dvr de Blasio on Hannity tonight. This sounds like must-see TV.


Why
Neither will listen to each other and will speak over each other
Hannity is an intellectual lightweight. He wont have Blasio on for very long or Blasio will expose him as stupid
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August 7th, 2019 at 4:24:29 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Why
Neither will listen to each other and will speak over each other
Hannity is an intellectual lightweight. He wont have Blasio on for very long or Blasio will expose him as stupid



Because I have popcorn.

Of course if they get into a long discussion about the shootings, it will just be depressing.
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August 8th, 2019 at 7:48:25 AM permalink
New poll of Pennsylvania:

Trump 39 fav, 58 unfav (52 strong unfav)
Trump 37% excellent/good job, 63% fair/poor
Deserves re-elect 38%
Time for a change 61%

I know it’s too early to put much weight in a poll like this, but wasn’t it Boz who said all the Trump haters were clustered in NY and CA? Hmmmmmmm.....

And imagine if “Scranton Joe” Biden is the Dem nominee, one can only wonder how low Donald’s PA numbers could go...
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August 9th, 2019 at 3:33:08 PM permalink
Too bad Boz isn't commenting. He's always interested in the "takers".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/taxes/who-isnt-paying-income-taxes/ar-AAFxrj8?ocid=spartandhp
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August 10th, 2019 at 6:09:28 AM permalink
Epstein Dead

That didn't take long.
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August 10th, 2019 at 6:20:13 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Epstein Dead

That didn't take long.



Slipped on a bar of soap.
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August 10th, 2019 at 7:03:09 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Epstein Dead

That didn't take long.



Donald’s goons got him.

I don’t actually believe this. Just gotta counter all the stupid right-wing Clinton conspiracy theories.
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August 10th, 2019 at 8:36:40 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Donald’s goons got him.



Own hand, CIA, Mossad, DNC. Take your pick.

He died hours after 2,000 pages of court documents from a 2015 lawsuit, naming prominent Democrats were unsealed.

No one knows where he got his $500 million. He supposedly ran a hedge fund, but no clients have been found.

One theory is that he worked for the Mossad, setting up politicians and world leaders for blackmail.

The FBI had him twelve years ago. Then the feds dropped their charges and allowed him to plead to lesser state charges. That could only have been approved by Meuller and Comey.

Would not be surprised if his girlfriend Maxwell ends up the same way. 'Broken heart' and all.
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August 10th, 2019 at 8:39:05 AM permalink
Guy attempts suicide, is put on suicide watch, suicides. Dunno how that joint rolls, but here it's a bare room in a quasi straight jacket with check ins every 10min.

And he still suicides?

Where's my list...
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August 10th, 2019 at 9:53:39 AM permalink
Quote: Face

Guy attempts suicide, is put on suicide watch, suicides. Dunno how that joint rolls, but here it's a bare room in a quasi straight jacket with check ins every 10min.



When you have access to 500mil
and will pay any amount to get
what you want to off yourself,
how hard would that be to find
a corrupt prison official.
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August 10th, 2019 at 10:17:13 AM permalink
Quote: ams288



Yeah, it was Trump who was worried,
who banned the guy forever from
his property 15 years ago for being
a disgusting perv. It wasn't the
legion of perv Dems, starting with
Bill Clinton, who partied with Epstein
for decades, they weren't worried
at all.
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Quote: EvenBob

When you have access to 500mil
and will pay any amount to get
what you want to off yourself,
how hard would that be to find
a corrupt prison official.



Should be easy to find and charge the offender, then.

Lol. There I go joking again.
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August 10th, 2019 at 10:58:23 AM permalink
Amazingly, despite being found unconscious a few weeks ago after a possible suicide attempt, high profile prisoner Epstein was not on suicide watch.

If this was an NYPD facility, the warden would be putting in his papers, and heads would roll.

Epstein was in a Federal Correctional facility, and Warden Shirley Skipper-Scott, will probably get a promotion as a reward for her incompetence.
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August 10th, 2019 at 11:00:44 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yeah, it was Trump who was worried,
who banned the guy forever from
his property 15 years ago for being
a disgusting perv. It wasn't the
legion of perv Dems, starting with
Bill Clinton, who partied with Epstein
for decades, they weren't worried
at all.





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August 10th, 2019 at 12:04:16 PM permalink
Donny and Jeffy fell out over a piece of beachfront real estate. Rich guy died and the two of them got into war over who would buy it. Thing got ugly, with lots of innuendos dropped by both sides. It was during this public fight that someone anonymously notified Palm Beach authorities about Epstiens habits.
A lot of powerful people are breathing easier today. I hope security tapes and logs exist and are made public. I know if I had a bunch of powerful people over for wild parties, I'd keep a record of some type. It might come in handy someday.
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August 10th, 2019 at 12:21:54 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Donny and Jeffy fell out over a piece of beachfront real estate. Rich guy died and the two of them got into war over who would buy it. Thing got ugly, with lots of innuendos dropped by both sides. It was during this public fight that someone anonymously notified Palm Beach authorities about Epstiens habits.
A lot of powerful people are breathing easier today. I hope security tapes and logs exist and are made public. I know if I had a bunch of powerful people over for wild parties, I'd keep a record of some type. It might come in handy someday.



Wait, you mean EB’s claim that Donny banned him from his properties for being a “disgusting perv” isn’t accurate?!

I’m shocked!
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August 10th, 2019 at 2:41:48 PM permalink
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Why are Pablo Escobar, Donald Trump, Beto Orourke, and Lucille 2 all hanging out together?
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August 10th, 2019 at 3:12:33 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Quote: ams288


Why are Pablo Escobar, Donald Trump, Beto Orourke, and Lucille 2 all hanging out together?



Pablo Escobar, Donald Trump, Beto Orourke, and Lucille 2 walk into a bar...
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August 10th, 2019 at 6:41:29 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Amazingly, despite being found unconscious a few weeks ago after a possible suicide attempt, high profile prisoner Epstein was not on suicide watch.

If this was an NYPD facility, the warden would be putting in his papers, and heads would roll.

Epstein was in a Federal Correctional facility, and Warden Shirley Skipper-Scott, will probably get a promotion as a reward for her incompetence.



Suicide Watch is something that is challenging to stay on (requires a lot of resources, you can't just keep a prisoner on it for months on end), and most inmates do not want to be (and will work to get off of it).

My guess is if somebody as well connected as Epstein wanted to get off suicide watch, he easily can. It likely was not a conspiracy, he probably told the overworked, underpaid prison counselor "I have been feeling better and more accepting of my condition" and was removed. Especially, because he likely explained that the last incident was an accident, and there was no confirmation to prove otherwise. Maybe not the best system, but that is how it often works out....

If somebody wants to commit suicide, they will find a way. I doubt there is any conspiracy, other than Epstein working to get in a position to off himself after he realized that there is no getting out this time.
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August 10th, 2019 at 6:59:26 PM permalink
lol.... he really is just a giant f****ng moron.

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August 10th, 2019 at 7:02:37 PM permalink
Asphyxiation doesn't take that long, and I suppose if you held your breath before you even slipped a sheet around your neck, it could go even faster undetected. (I assume they didn't give him a ready-made noose. that'd be a dead give away of collusion)
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August 10th, 2019 at 7:24:19 PM permalink
I'm gonna go with Barr moving Epstein to The Witness Protection Program until we see his body. He's probably back on his very own Pedo-Island already, under an assumed name.
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August 10th, 2019 at 8:30:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yeah, it was Trump who was worried,
who banned the guy forever from
his property 15 years ago for being
a disgusting perv. It wasn't the
legion of perv Dems, starting with
Bill Clinton, who partied with Epstein
for decades, they weren't worried
at all.

Add no less than George Mitchell and Bill Richardson to the growing list. Let's not forget that it was Richardson who took care of Monica Lewinsky after Clinton's fling.
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August 10th, 2019 at 9:16:58 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Donny and Jeffy fell out over a piece of beachfront real estate. Rich guy died and the two of them got into war over who would buy it. Thing got ugly, with lots of innuendos dropped by both sides. It was during this public fight that someone anonymously notified Palm Beach authorities about Epstiens habits.

That was years after the onset of the Giuffre problem.
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August 11th, 2019 at 9:52:03 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Wait, you mean EB’s claim that Donny banned him from his properties for being a “disgusting perv” isn’t accurate?!



Unsealed Documents Detail Alleged Epstein Victim’s Recruitment at Mar-a-Lago

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/09/epstein-mar-a-lago-trump-1456221

Epstein was using Mar-a-Lago to recruit
young girls and Trump banned him.
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August 12th, 2019 at 5:34:49 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Unsealed Documents Detail Alleged Epstein Victim’s Recruitment at Mar-a-Lago

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/09/epstein-mar-a-lago-trump-1456221

Epstein was using Mar-a-Lago to recruit
young girls and Trump banned him.




There is nothing in the article you linked to suggest that. Why is it you and Max consistently make wrong statements, then add a link thinking it will not be read?
Let me repeat-There is nothing in the article eb posted to suggest trump banned epi for any recruiting..
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August 12th, 2019 at 10:36:31 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

There is nothing in the article eb posted to suggest trump banned epi for any recruiting..

For some people sexual assault may not be exactly be "recruiting," according to their extraordinarily high standards: "Trump later banned Epstein from the property, allegedly due to a sexual assault on a girl there, according to previously disclosed court records."
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August 12th, 2019 at 11:08:32 AM permalink
I thought this was funny:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/12/trump-evangelicals-blasphemy-profanity-1456178

It turns out Trump ain't any none too damn religious too much! Who would have guessed that? Affairs with porn stars with a baby in the house? No problem. Grab them by the *****? No big deal. Paying said porn star for her silence and lying about it? It's cool.

But...now you've said, 'Goddamn,' and that thur's a lynchin' boy.

He's a religious white guy, though. Favorite book is The Bible. Said so himself.

You can prove it by asking him what the First Commandment is, I've got $5 he says, "Thou shalt not kill," you can have the field at even money. Thou shalt not kill is wrong, of course, it's "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before me."

Just to clarify, I don't have a problem with him sleeping with porn stars, paying them hush money or shooting off his mouth with, 'locker room talk,' in what he thought was a private conversation. I just think it's funny that he has to say, "Goddamn," all over the place for the Evangelicals (whose waist size likely often exceeds their IQ score) to acknowledge that he's not all that Religious of a guy.

I mean, I get why they voted for him, "He used 'Bible,' in a sentence in a speech, AND HE'S WHITE TOO, LINDA!!!" But, goddamn, you're just now realizing that he doesn't hold your God's Commandments sacred and above all else?
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August 12th, 2019 at 11:34:25 AM permalink
Honest Abe was right, it in this case Molotov was closer to the mark.
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August 12th, 2019 at 12:30:53 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

according to their extraordinarily high standards: "Trump later banned Epstein from the property, allegedly due to a sexual assault on a girl there, according to previously disclosed court records."



That and the newly unsealed documents
pretty much make it clear what happened.
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August 12th, 2019 at 12:55:00 PM permalink
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That and the newly unsealed documents
pretty much make it clear what happened.



Trump doesn’t want crime ON his property. Godfather says no murders on family property.
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August 12th, 2019 at 1:24:34 PM permalink
Anybody listen to Biden when he gives
a speech? His platform seems to be,
Trump can't be president any longer.

This is nothing new, it's been tried in
other elections. But it never ever works,
that person always loses. Because people
usually vote for something, like they
did with Trump. They seldom vote
against anything.
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August 12th, 2019 at 1:38:42 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Anybody listen to Biden when he gives
a speech? His platform seems to be,
Trump can't be president any longer.

This is nothing new, it's been tried in
other elections. But it never ever works,
that person always loses. Because people
usually vote for something, like they
did with Trump. They seldom vote
against anything.



Yeah, “Trump sucks,” definitely won’t resonate with the liberals. It hasn’t been all I’ve ever heard for the last three years, or anything.

Granted, it didn’t work for Clinton, but her platform was as much, “I’m a woman, vote for me,” as anything else. Besides that, people like Biden better than they do Clinton and Obama’s Presidency is looked upon more favorably now than when he first left office.

Finally, Biden is all about electability. His only focus right now needs to be he’s the guy best poised to beat Trump. After all, this isn’t the General Election yet, so he really just needs to paint himself as Moderate and electable and (some of) the other candidates as too liberal without coming out and flatly saying their ideas suck in a way that alienates the far left.

Let’s unite against our common foe, basically. If he wins the nomination, that’s when you’ll see him try to pander to Independents with ideas a little more evolved than, “That Trump Guy sucks, amirite?”
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August 12th, 2019 at 1:44:23 PM permalink
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Finally, Biden is all about electability.



Trying not to be biased for a minute, but
when I see Biden talk all I think is,
geez this guy is old. He looks old,
he sounds like an old grandpa. He
looks feeble as hell. What's he gonna
look like 2 years from now in his first
year, if he got elected.
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August 12th, 2019 at 2:55:03 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Trying not to be biased for a minute, but
when I see Biden talk all I think is,
geez this guy is old. He looks old,
he sounds like an old grandpa. He
looks feeble as hell. What's he gonna
look like 2 years from now in his first
year, if he got elected.



He'll probably look the same as he's looked for the past decade or so.
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August 12th, 2019 at 7:06:00 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Epstein was in a Federal Correctional facility, and Warden Shirley Skipper-Scott, will probably get a promotion as a reward for her incompetence.



Given who is in charge everything Federal, it's both obvious and crazy that Trump supporters are going to question everything that is reported, while never once questioning the presidents role in it.

Trump could easily find out if any protocols were breached and insist on a full investigation to get to the bottom of what happened leading up to Epstein's death. It's obvious he won't, because he knows his supporters are so desperate to make up their own stories and so desperate to not have that taken away
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August 12th, 2019 at 7:28:54 PM permalink
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Given who is in charge everything Federal, it's both obvious and crazy that Trump supporters are going to question everything that is reported, while never once questioning the presidents role in it.

Trump could easily find out if any protocols were breached and insist on a full investigation to get to the bottom of what happened leading up to Epstein's death. It's obvious he won't, because he knows his supporters are so desperate to make up their own stories and so desperate to not have that taken away



It's obvious he won't, since he has tweeted evidence-free conspiracy theories himself.
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August 12th, 2019 at 7:35:01 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

It's obvious he won't, since he has tweeted evidence-free conspiracy theories himself.



Yet his supporters are ok with him completely disregarding any possibility of a full investigation.

Let me correct that. They will always demand nothing be done to infringe on their abilities to believe any story they want.
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August 12th, 2019 at 10:45:48 PM permalink
I don't know if I was watching today's episode or another day, but I thought Scaramucci did a great job on summing up Trump and much of the GOP on Anderson Cooper.
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August 13th, 2019 at 3:37:41 AM permalink
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Given who is in charge everything Federal, it's both obvious and crazy that Trump supporters are going to question everything that is reported, while never once questioning the presidents role in it.

Trump could easily find out if any protocols were breached and insist on a full investigation to get to the bottom of what happened leading up to Epstein's death. It's obvious he won't, because he knows his supporters are so desperate to make up their own stories and so desperate to not have that taken away



Yeah, an investigation into a prison death. Because those always get to the bottom of things.
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August 13th, 2019 at 6:06:02 AM permalink
https://boingboing.net/2019/08/13/watch-cnn-host-chris-cuomo-thr.html


Seems like Fredo Cuomo has a violent streak. Hopefully someone reported him to police where he lives as he is obviously a violent individual and should not be allowed to have guns or be neat them.

See something, say something. We as responsible gun owners have an obligation here to report unhinged individuals.
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August 13th, 2019 at 6:55:09 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

https://boingboing.net/2019/08/13/watch-cnn-host-chris-cuomo-thr.html


Seems like Fredo Cuomo has a violent streak. Hopefully someone reported him to police where he lives as he is obviously a violent individual and should not be allowed to have guns or be neat them.

See something, say something. We as responsible gun owners have an obligation here to report unhinged individuals.



Weirdly, Sean Hannity came to Cuomo’s defense.
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