Quote: darkozI started out with a very miniscule advantage.
If Nathan has something that's fantastic. She may be on to growing into a high profit AP career.
I think only her fear of being caught is going to hold her back.
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Yep, you left your Player's Club card in a machine by complete accident and left to catch a Subway or a Train. You realized you left your Player's Club card in the machine and went back to retrieve it. You then saw that a complete Stranger was inadvertently playing BIG money on your Player's Club card and earning you a LOT of points. When the guy left, you took your card back and realized he made you enough points to get a burger. 😀 You then got the idea to start a Team based on one guy inadvertently playing BIG money on your Player's Club card and earning you enough points to get a burger. 😀
I don't think Nathan has the AP "it factor" to become an AP.Quote: darkozI started out with a very miniscule advantage.
If Nathan has something that's fantastic. She may be on to growing into a high profit AP career.
I think only her fear of being caught is going to hold her back.
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Heres one small test. Nathan, are you playing other -EV games in-between your loopholing times?
Quote: AxelWolfI don't think Nathan has the AP "it factor" to become an AP.Quote: darkozI started out with a very miniscule advantage.
If Nathan has something that's fantastic. She may be on to growing into a high profit AP career.
I think only her fear of being caught is going to hold her back.
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Heres one small test. Nathan, are you playing other -EV games in-between your loopholing times?
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Before the advantage loophole, I was asking complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card and getting free play, points, Comps, and getting Promotions that way before one day I made the HUGE mistake of asking someone to play on my Player's Club card TWICE(I forgot that I had ALREADY asked him to play on my Player's Club card ☢️😵💫) and he reported me the second time. I had found someone else who played on my Player's Club card and I got approached by some Casino Staff Members and Casino Security and told that I couldn't ask complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card, banned for 24 hours, told of I ever asked another complete Stranger to play on my Player's Club card it would be a permanent banning, and perp walked out of the Casino. ☢️😵💫 I had gotten EXTREMELY greedy that day. I was already entitled to a FREE Entry to a Promotion because I am a Silver card, but I decided I wanted MORE Entries, so I asked complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card. I definitely could have won the Promotion with my free entry but decided to get greedy and instead ended up with no entry for the promotion and banned for 24 hours. 😵💫☢️
Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfI don't think Nathan has the AP "it factor" to become an AP.Quote: darkozI started out with a very miniscule advantage.
If Nathan has something that's fantastic. She may be on to growing into a high profit AP career.
I think only her fear of being caught is going to hold her back.
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Heres one small test. Nathan, are you playing other -EV games in-between your loopholing times?
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Before the advantage loophole, I was asking complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card and getting free play, points, Comps, and getting Promotions that way before one day I made the HUGE mistake of asking someone to play on my Player's Club card TWICE(I forgot that I had ALREADY asked him to play on my Player's Club card ☢️😵💫) and he reported me the second time. I had found someone else who played on my Player's Club card and I got approached by some Casino Staff Members and Casino Security and told that I couldn't ask complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card, banned for 24 hours, told of I ever asked another complete Stranger to play on my Player's Club card it would be a permanent banning, and perp walked out of the Casino. ☢️😵💫 I had gotten EXTREMELY greedy that day. I was already entitled to a FREE Entry to a Promotion because I am a Silver card, but I decided I wanted MORE Entries, so I asked complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card. I definitely could have won the Promotion with my free entry but decided to get greedy and instead ended up with no entry for the promotion and banned for 24 hours. 😵💫☢️
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Perhaps you should seek a career in politics, Your entire paragraph has no relevance to Axels question.
I propose everyone block her until we see some evidence. Axel, I nominate you to keep a lookout !!
Quote: rainmanQuote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfI don't think Nathan has the AP "it factor" to become an AP.Quote: darkozI started out with a very miniscule advantage.
If Nathan has something that's fantastic. She may be on to growing into a high profit AP career.
I think only her fear of being caught is going to hold her back.
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Heres one small test. Nathan, are you playing other -EV games in-between your loopholing times?
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Before the advantage loophole, I was asking complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card and getting free play, points, Comps, and getting Promotions that way before one day I made the HUGE mistake of asking someone to play on my Player's Club card TWICE(I forgot that I had ALREADY asked him to play on my Player's Club card ☢️😵💫) and he reported me the second time. I had found someone else who played on my Player's Club card and I got approached by some Casino Staff Members and Casino Security and told that I couldn't ask complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card, banned for 24 hours, told of I ever asked another complete Stranger to play on my Player's Club card it would be a permanent banning, and perp walked out of the Casino. ☢️😵💫 I had gotten EXTREMELY greedy that day. I was already entitled to a FREE Entry to a Promotion because I am a Silver card, but I decided I wanted MORE Entries, so I asked complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card. I definitely could have won the Promotion with my free entry but decided to get greedy and instead ended up with no entry for the promotion and banned for 24 hours. 😵💫☢️
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Perhaps you should seek a career in politics, Your entire paragraph has no relevance to Axels question.
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It kind of does. I USED to have a positive EV until I got reported and kicked out the Casino for 24 hours. 💡
Quote: odiousgambitI assume we're being played, and have been from the beginning ... now Nathan can post this kind of stuff knowing we're hooked and will see it. Of note? no pictures of any money
I propose everyone block her until we see some evidence. Axel, I nominate you to keep a lookout !!
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I heavily thought about showing proof, but then thought if I show proof, I might just be setting up myself to be caught by the Casino. 💡🤔
From what Nathan has told me, there is, in fact, a loophole and I have come across similar things so I believe it's a legitimate exploitable situation. I think people are going to roll their eyes a bit when it ends and she discloses it. I still don't know how long it's taken her to win $3,300, I don't know if that was a lumpsum. lots of smaller wins or a few medium wins.Quote: odiousgambitI assume we're being played, and have been from the beginning ... now Nathan can post this kind of stuff knowing we're hooked and will see it. Of note? no pictures of any money
I propose everyone block her until we see some evidence. Axel, I nominate you to keep a lookout !!
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I will ask Nathan for her permission to compare it to somthing simular.
I mean, I don't know, if she figured this out herself and it's profitable, I think it's kind of clever given her situation.
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I mean, I don't know, if she figured this out herself and it's profitable, I think it's kind of clever given her situation.
I was not interested at all in this thread until now. If Axel finds it clever, I am intrigued.
She said it was ok for this comparison...
If I were to compare it to something... I would compare it to a hot seat promotion where one was able to win by just having their card in a machine without having to play(the machines took an hour to time out), so that person accumulated 3 digits worth of cards over time and would leave their cards in machines during the promotion time.
Something changed and she noticed the change and and figured out how to exploit it.Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolf
I mean, I don't know, if she figured this out herself and it's profitable, I think it's kind of clever given her situation.
I was not interested at all in this thread until now. If Axel finds it clever, I am intrigued.
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There is an ethical aspect one might consider regarding this. I make no judgements but it's just something to note.
so this is over now?Quote: NathanI USED to have a positive EV until I got reported and kicked out the Casino for 24 hours. 💡
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Quote: odiousgambitso this is over now?Quote: NathanI USED to have a positive EV until I got reported and kicked out the Casino for 24 hours. 💡
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The "I used to have a positive EV," refers to me asking complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club card until one day I accidentally asked the same person TWICE to play on my Player's Club card and he reported me and I got kicked out and banned for 24 hours. I don't know how I forgot I already asked this guy to play on my Player's Club card. 😵💫☢️😱😳😬
I have a feeling it will be around for a long time.Quote: odiousgambitso this is over now?Quote: NathanI USED to have a positive EV until I got reported and kicked out the Casino for 24 hours. 💡
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The amount of money being made on a per-month average is less than my summertime Energy bill.
Quote: AxelWolf
Something changed and she noticed the change and and figured out how to exploit it.
There is an ethical aspect one might consider regarding this. I make no judgements but it's just something to note.
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That's good AP!
And what do you consider the ethics of AP? For me it's don't screw people you are working with, be respectful of all APs you encounter, do not assist casinos in countering AP. If she's not doing any of that it sounds good to me.
I personally don't take any issue with it.Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: AxelWolf
Something changed and she noticed the change and and figured out how to exploit it.
There is an ethical aspect one might consider regarding this. I make no judgements but it's just something to note.
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That's good AP!
And what do you consider the ethics of AP? For me it's don't screw people you are working with, be respectful of all APs you encounter, do not assist casinos in countering AP. If she's not doing any of that it sounds good to me.
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But, here's an example of something someone might take issue with. Let's say the casino is having a drawing for $10,000 and they allow everyone a maximum of 2 tickets, but somehow you were able to find a loophole they gave you access to 50 tickets. Technically it's the casino money to begin with, but once they are giving it out, it's other people's money.
Again, I don't have a problem or issue with it as I have been involved in similar situations and even worse.
Quote: AxelWolfI personally don't take any issue with it.Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: AxelWolf
Something changed and she noticed the change and and figured out how to exploit it.
There is an ethical aspect one might consider regarding this. I make no judgements but it's just something to note.
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That's good AP!
And what do you consider the ethics of AP? For me it's don't screw people you are working with, be respectful of all APs you encounter, do not assist casinos in countering AP. If she's not doing any of that it sounds good to me.
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But, here's an example of something someone might take issue with. Let's say the casino is having a drawing for $10,000 and they allow everyone a maximum of 2 tickets, but somehow you were able to find a loophole they gave you access to 50 tickets. Technically it's the casino money to begin with, but once they are giving it out, it's other people's money.
Again, I don't have a problem or issue with it as I have been involved in similar situations and even worse.
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I JUST saw this post TODAY. Axel is CLOSE to what the advantage loophole is. 😀 💡
Quote: NathanI was JUST was told my Grandpa died! 😭
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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you have some fond memories of him that will help you through the difficult times.
This just reminds me how old I am. I haven't had grandparents for over 40 years.
Quote: MDawgSorry to hear that. If you "just found out," did it happen a bit ago?
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Thank you for your condolences. 😇 Grandpa died last Wednesday, Mom JUST told me last night! 😵💫
Quote: DRichQuote: NathanI was JUST was told my Grandpa died! 😭
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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you have some fond memories of him that will help you through the difficult times.
This just reminds me how old I am. I haven't had grandparents for over 40 years.
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Thank you for your condolences. 😇 Yep, I have fond memories of my Grandpa. 😇 Sad thing is, he was my last living Grandpa. 😭 Maternal Grandfather died when my Mom was still a child. 😭 And my Paternal Grandpa died last Wednesday. 😭
Quote: NathanQuote: MDawgSorry to hear that. If you "just found out," did it happen a bit ago?
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Thank you for your condolences. 😇 Grandpa died last Wednesday, Mom JUST told me last night! 😵💫
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Just had a bunch of friends lose very elderly relatives. Assuming grandpa lived a good life, and found joy in his family (like you!), please celebrate his life rather than mourn his death. I hope that’s what my kids and grandkids do when I kick the bucket.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: NathanQuote: MDawgSorry to hear that. If you "just found out," did it happen a bit ago?
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Thank you for your condolences. 😇 Grandpa died last Wednesday, Mom JUST told me last night! 😵💫
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Just had a bunch of friends lose very elderly relatives. Assuming grandpa lived a good life, and found joy in his family (like you!), please celebrate his life rather than mourn his death. I hope that’s what my kids and grandkids do when I kick the bucket.
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Yep, Grandpa was EXTREMELY elderly. 95. 💡 Grandpa lives a good life loved by Family! 😇 M6 condolences to your Friends who lost their elderly relatives. 😭 Hopefully your kids and Grandkids celebrate your life than mourn your death when you go to the other side so to speak. 😇💡
Quote: NathanMy stool looked kind of greenish grayish,
TMI.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: NathanMy stool looked kind of greenish grayish,
TMI.
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Well, you are in Nathan's Corner so me doing TMI posts comes with the territory. 😉🤣🤭
Remember to value your parents while you still have them.
Quote: gordonm888Sorry to read about the loss of your Grandpa, Nathan.
Remember to value your parents while you still have them.
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Thank you for your kind words Dieter. 😇
I mean in my case when I won a cash prize in a casino drawing they handed me the W-2G even before I could go to the casino cage to collect.
Quote: MDawgSounds like you just got the W-2G. So why would you be filing anything pursuant to it this year.
I mean in my case when I won a cash prize in a casino drawing they handed me the W-2G even before I could go to the casino cage to collect.
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No, I got the Jackpot and the W-2G in October. 😀 I filed the W-2G with this year's taxes. 😀
You got a W2G and not a 1099?Quote: MDawgSounds like you just got the W-2G. So why would you be filing anything pursuant to it this year.
I mean in my case when I won a cash prize in a casino drawing they handed me the W-2G even before I could go to the casino cage to collect.
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DRich remarked on that too but the difference is that I actually won and received the cash while many of the rest of you just talk about what you think should be.
Specifically it was a contest where a certain amount of Theo loss / play over a certain number of days equaled a certain number of tickets up to a maximum number. I won one of the top cash prizes (all prizes were cash) with just one ticket in the drum it was pretty amazing while many who maxed out won nothing.
Quote: NathanAs I filed my W2G Form I thought of how time consuming it would have been if I had about 20 W2G Forms to fill out. ☢️
One of my bigger years gambling I had over 500 W2G's to file and that was back when you had to itemize every single one and submit the paper copies to the IRS, It was a pain in the butt.
Quote: DRichQuote: NathanAs I filed my W2G Form I thought of how time consuming it would have been if I had about 20 W2G Forms to fill out. ☢️
One of my bigger years gambling I had over 500 W2G's to file and that was back when you had to itemize every single one and submit the paper copies to the IRS, It was a pain in the butt.
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Isn't that what the wife is for?
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: NathanAs I filed my W2G Form I thought of how time consuming it would have been if I had about 20 W2G Forms to fill out. ☢️
One of my bigger years gambling I had over 500 W2G's to file and that was back when you had to itemize every single one and submit the paper copies to the IRS, It was a pain in the butt.
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Isn't that what the wife is for?
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Unfortunately, this was before the current wife who works for a CPA firm.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: NathanAs I filed my W2G Form I thought of how time consuming it would have been if I had about 20 W2G Forms to fill out. ☢️
One of my bigger years gambling I had over 500 W2G's to file and that was back when you had to itemize every single one and submit the paper copies to the IRS, It was a pain in the butt.
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Isn't that what the wife is for?
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Unfortunately, this was before the current wife who works for a CPA firm.
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Smart choice.
When I lived in Vegas, I was friendly with Funnybone, a top draw on the independent wrestling circuit. He had some tax issues a few years back, but he now keeps meticulous records. In 2018, he had over 500 1099s from shows and appearances, and he half-jokingly said he wrestles a week a year just to pay for his tax preparation.
Cash as aposed to what?Quote: MDawgCorrect.
DRich remarked on that too but the difference is that I actually won and received the cash while many of the rest of you just talk about what you think should be.
Specifically it was a contest where a certain amount of Theo loss / play over a certain number of days equaled a certain number of tickets up to a maximum number. I won one of the top cash prizes (all prizes were cash) with just one ticket in the drum it was pretty amazing while many who maxed out won nothing.
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I don't know that promo chips are/were obvious to anyone but you.Quote: MDawgPromo chips obviously. I thought you claimed to have been in tournaments or drawings before??
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Of course, I have been in and won countless drawings and contests.
I have never been in a tournament or drawing that offered promo chips as a prize, it's usually cash, free play, or an actual prize, such as a car. Oftentimes they give you a cash option instead of the prize.
Regardless, of whatever type of payment I chose (even cash) if it was a contest, drawing, or promo they would normally give a 1099. There have been multiple times when I have been issued free play and there was no W2G or 1099 issued. There was one casino that was issuing 1099s for $100 free play wins.
I on the other hand know next to nothing about much to do with slots. Keep pushing dem buttons!
How or why are my comments wrong and or lack knowledge? Me thinks you need to use that standard BS line since you have nothing.Quote: MDawgAs I said before, you know next to nothing about much to do with table games, especially any sort of high level action with regards to that, and prove it with your comments time and again.
I on the other hand know next to nothing about much to do with slots. Keep pushing dem buttons!
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Are you claiming that drawings won from the table games department are treated differently than drawings won from the slot department when it comes to what forms they should be issuing to the winners?
Quote: NathanQuote: gordonm888Sorry to read about the loss of your Grandpa, Nathan.
Remember to value your parents while you still have them.
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Thank you for your kind words Dieter. 😇
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You have mistaken me for Dieter. Even though this is a grave insult to Dieter, it is not suspension worthy.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: NathanQuote: gordonm888Sorry to read about the loss of your Grandpa, Nathan.
Remember to value your parents while you still have them.
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Thank you for your kind words Dieter. 😇
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You have mistaken me for Dieter. Even though this is a grave insult to Dieter, it is not suspension w
Sorryorthy.
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Sorry, I REALLY should have said,"Gordon, and not Dieter. 💡 Thank you for your kind words, Gordon. 😇