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April 16th, 2025 at 5:06:09 AM permalink
Today is my EIGHTEENTH ANNIVERSARY of working for Walgreens! 🥳🎇🎆 Wow, a NEWBORN born on the day I got hired is now a legal Adult! 😀 And to think, Walgreens was SUPPOSED to be JUST a STEPPING STONE. I had went to a job fair and they sent me to some sort of textiles place I believe and the textiles place told me I needed experience in order to get hired there. I went to Walgreens as a STEPPING STONE for the textiles place and..... Walgreens hired me and I NEVER looked back and look at me today, 18 year Anniversary working for Walgreens! 🥳🎇🎆
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 16th, 2025 at 7:24:20 AM permalink
It's called being 'trapped in the velvet rut' too cosy for you to move on to something better. Still.well done. Here's to the next 18
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April 16th, 2025 at 7:29:13 AM permalink
Wait a minute, Europe is where you go back to some place or some company and see the SAME person working for the SAME company for decades. Or has that changed?
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April 16th, 2025 at 7:30:07 AM permalink
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Today is my EIGHTEENTH ANNIVERSARY of working for Walgreens! 🥳🎇🎆 Wow, a NEWBORN born on the day I got hired is now a legal Adult! 😀 And to think, Walgreens was SUPPOSED to be JUST a STEPPING STONE. I had went to a job fair and they sent me to some sort of textiles place I believe and the textiles place told me I needed experience in order to get hired there. I went to Walgreens as a STEPPING STONE for the textiles place and..... Walgreens hired me and I NEVER looked back and look at me today, 18 year Anniversary working for Walgreens! 🥳🎇🎆
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Congrats, that is a big accomplishment. No one works at the same place that long anymore. I think my longest job was 12 years.
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April 16th, 2025 at 8:06:02 AM permalink
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Wait a minute, Europe is where you go back to some place or some company and see the SAME person working for the SAME company for decades. Or has that changed?
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I did 36 years and 6 years at my two employers, though roles changed. Wife did 19years and 14 years. My current colleague had same role for 17 years. A bit less common today.
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April 16th, 2025 at 9:19:31 AM permalink
Happy Anniversary.
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April 16th, 2025 at 4:04:44 PM permalink
Congratulations on 18 years. I am sure you have seen some changes in that time. Do you remember when they quit selling tobacco products? Also,do Walgreens have a lottery vending machine that sells scratch offs and online games like daily 3 etc? Some of the pharmacy around here do.
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April 17th, 2025 at 5:32:17 AM permalink
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Congratulations on 18 years. I am sure you have seen some changes in that time. Do you remember when they quit selling tobacco products? Also,do Walgreens have a lottery vending machine that sells scratch offs and online games like daily 3 etc? Some of the pharmacy around here do.
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after talking with a coworker he said Walgreens does still sell tobacco,but you really have to be desperate to buy them he said cigarettes around this area sell for about $15 a pack. I remember CVS quit selling tobacco but he said that happened in 2014. I thought Walgreens did also but I was wrong. I only smoked fro 3 months back in 1985. Cigarette were 85 cents a pack or 7.60 carton. Haven't looked back since
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April 17th, 2025 at 6:39:40 AM permalink
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Congratulations on 18 years. I am sure you have seen some changes in that time. Do you remember when they quit selling tobacco products? Also,do Walgreens have a lottery vending machine that sells scratch offs and online games like daily 3 etc? Some of the pharmacy around here do.
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after talking with a coworker he said Walgreens does still sell tobacco,but you really have to be desperate to buy them he said cigarettes around this area sell for about $15 a pack. I remember CVS quit selling tobacco but he said that happened in 2014. I thought Walgreens did also but I was wrong. I only smoked fro 3 months back in 1985. Cigarette were 85 cents a pack or 7.60 carton. Haven't looked back since
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Sorry, I actually started to reply to you but didn't finish the post. Yes, CVS Pharmacy is the one that stopped selling tobacco because they became CVS Health Pharmacy. I remember on a now defunct Website posting that CVS just lost a LOT of revenue buy no longer selling tobacco products as tobacco products make a LOT of money. Posters responded something like," Pharmacies shouldn't be selling tobacco products in the first place as Pharmacies are HEALTHY at their core and tobacco products are NOT healthy. It's an oxymoron. And besides, CVS will STILL be getting a LOT of revenue by selling anti tobacco products such as nicotine lozenges, gums, and patches. CVS will be fine financially." 💡
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 17th, 2025 at 6:40:36 AM permalink
Thank you to everyone who wished me a happy 18th anniversary of Walgreens employment! 😀
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 17th, 2025 at 1:46:12 PM permalink
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Thank you to everyone who wished me a happy 18th anniversary of Walgreens employment! 😀
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Keeping any job for 18 years is impressive. Be proud of yourself. When I hit 10 years at my second after residency job the hospital had a party for the 10’s, 20’s, 30’s. It was pleasant hearing an administrator giving thanks to the loyal workers. I think I may have been the first and only doctor to go. Mostly aides, transport staff, cooks, etc.

When you hit 20 will there be any recognition of your achievement? And more importantly, do you get a raise on each anniversary?
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April 17th, 2025 at 5:18:12 PM permalink
My friend started working full-time at the Grand Union supermarket in 1976. It was a union job with good benefits and a guaranteed raise of at least fifty cents every six months. After 25 years, he was making almost forty dollars an hour to stock shelves overnight. Grand Union got bought by a German company, and he took a lump sum payout in lieu of a monthly pension.
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April 18th, 2025 at 5:57:17 AM permalink
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My friend started working full-time at the Grand Union supermarket in 1976. It was a union job with good benefits and a guaranteed raise of at least fifty cents every six months. After 25 years, he was making almost forty dollars an hour to stock shelves overnight. Grand Union got bought by a German company, and he took a lump sum payout in lieu of a monthly pension.
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Speaking of Pensions, a few days ago, I looked up what a Pension was thinking it was like a 401K Retirement Plan and a Pension is better than a 401 K Retirement Plan, a Pension means you get paid for LIFE after you retire. A 401K Retirement Plan is much more limited, you can probably afford like a two year vacation before needing to work again with a 401K Retirement Plan. For instance, I had a Coworker who retired for about two years and had to come back to work after those two years. She is currently about 71! 😱😳😬 With a Pension she would have STILL been retired. 💡
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 18th, 2025 at 6:17:20 AM permalink
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My friend started working full-time at the Grand Union supermarket in 1976. It was a union job with good benefits and a guaranteed raise of at least fifty cents every six months. After 25 years, he was making almost forty dollars an hour to stock shelves overnight. Grand Union got bought by a German company, and he took a lump sum payout in lieu of a monthly pension.
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Speaking of Pensions, a few days ago, I looked up what a Pension was thinking it was like a 401K Retirement Plan and a Pension is better than a 401 K Retirement Plan, a Pension means you get paid for LIFE after you retire. A 401K Retirement Plan is much more limited, you can probably afford like a two year vacation before needing to work again with a 401K Retirement Plan. For instance, I had a Coworker who retired for about two years and had to come back to work after those two years. She is currently about 71! 😱😳😬 With a Pension she would have STILL been retired. 💡
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You probably won't know what a Life Annuity is, then.

It's a pension for life that you buy with your retirement savings. Often paying very little per year.

If your 401K is only enough to keep you alive for a couple of years, then you are in deep doodoo.

Try finding paid employment at 71, 75, 80, 90 that will give you enough money to live on comfortably, especially with the costs associated with old age.

Nathan, you've had my advice in PM. I wasn't joking about how important it is to save for YOUR retirement.
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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April 18th, 2025 at 8:05:09 AM permalink
If you have $25,000 saved for retirement by age thirty, odds are it will be worth around $300,000 or more by the time you turn 65. It's essential to understand how far behind you are. You appear to be from a lower-middle-class background, which means your Social Security check will be average, at best, and won't be enough for you to live on.
I'm not being mean, I'm trying to scare you into seeing the future. It's late, but it's never too late to start. Old Age is a reality, not a possibility.

Annuities are an option, but it's essential to know that most annuities are not inflation-protected and lose a significant portion of their value over time.
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April 18th, 2025 at 11:36:59 AM permalink
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 18th, 2025 at 12:59:21 PM permalink
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
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Nathan
It was 8 months ago that a few of us here expressed concern about the likelihood of you being absolutely stoney broke in your retirement. Broke as in not being able to house and feed yourself.
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I expect to retire around 68. ... My 401K has about $7,000 at this moment. I started my 401K a bit late and made a couple of loans from it. Had I started my 401K from the get go and NEVER touched it, I probably would have had about $15,000 in it.💡

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Maybe you are inline to inherit a fortune, in which case, no problem.

$50 x 25 years x 12 monthly paychecks = an extra $15,000 (in todays money) NOT $28,000. So are you counting employer's match contributions.*

Let's be extremely optimistic and say you get your 401K up to $50,000 by age 68. How long will that KEEP YOU ALIVE?
Don't count on Social Security to be enough.
You need to be putting more like $200-$500 a month away unless you have a good plan B.

All this assumes you can even hold a job down till age 68, Can you? Walgreens won't be laying you off through modernisation programs?

Do you have a good Plan B? Put my mind at rest.


*If you are not at least getting the employer's Max matching, then you are giving free money away every month.


Is there a government web site where you can get a quote of your likely or accrued monthly Social Security benefit. I'm curious how your US system works. Here in the UK, there is a gov web site that we can go to.

Maybe try this https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/benefit6.cgi
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April 18th, 2025 at 2:38:00 PM permalink
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
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It is more cost-effective to spend that money on being charming, and marry rich.

Decades ago I used to get edgy and unscrupulous proposals of that nature from richer women every now and then, but that doesn't happen anymore. I wonder what changed. Must be the economy!
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April 18th, 2025 at 2:48:13 PM permalink
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A 401K Retirement Plan is much more limited, you can probably afford like a two year vacation before needing to work again with a 401K Retirement Plan



I hope you are wrong, and I think you are. I am planning on my 401k will be able to pay me close to $6000 a month for at least 25 years. Of course, I will not live nearly that long.
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April 18th, 2025 at 3:13:30 PM permalink
I don't plan on tapping my IRA until I'm 73 and will empty it in around 15 years. I'm hoping the six years I have left will make enough to cover the taxes on the account.
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April 18th, 2025 at 3:37:52 PM permalink
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A 401K Retirement Plan is much more limited, you can probably afford like a two year vacation before needing to work again with a 401K Retirement Plan



I hope you are wrong, and I think you are. I am planning on my 401k will be able to pay me close to $6000 a month for at least 25 years. Of course, I will not live nearly that long.
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If Karen is paying a minimum into her 401K, then she's not wrong. On track for the order of 30K total invested, she can draw maybe 15K for two comfortable years of retirement before falling back on her rainy day savings.... Oh. This is Nathan :(

DRich, I'm curious with just a simple question, on the assumption that you are neither exceptionally wealthy nor poor.... Do you keep a close eye on your 401K value, or do you maybe just read the annual statements. I ask, because I feel that it's pretty exceptional to watch the value ( as I do with my equivalent scheme)
a drawdown of $6k per month (at today's money value) for 25 years, assuming that investment returns cancel out inflation, implies a fund value of the order of 6000x12x25=$1.8m
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April 18th, 2025 at 3:40:11 PM permalink
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I don't plan on tapping my IRA until I'm 73 and will empty it in around 15 years. I'm hoping the six years I have left will make enough to cover the taxes on the account.
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I am dividend based, and between that and Social Security which I will be eligible for in a couple of years, I will have more than enough. Plus my wonderful AP life of course!

Your mileage may vary: being from the lower class originally I have minimal needs and a good, literal toolbox. Being able to physically do what you need done, and actively doing it, is very valuable. It also reduces one's medical bills. Funny how that works out. Never stop being active! Until you're sure you're dead. And even then, try to move around a little, just in case.
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April 18th, 2025 at 3:54:41 PM permalink
I live off my dividends, Social Security and $800 a month from the sale of a former business. Those payments end on my 70th birthday, so I'll need to save to cover the gap years.
Someone was silly enough to offer me a 0% credit card for 27 months, with a $40,000 cap, so I've been making a minimum payment and putting the rest into a money market fund. I'm also getting a $20 statement credit for every $1000 I put on it. I'm not really into chasing bonuses and no interest offers, but this was too easy.
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April 18th, 2025 at 4:09:04 PM permalink
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DRich, I'm curious with just a simple question, on the assumption that you are neither exceptionally wealthy nor poor.... Do you keep a close eye on your 401K value, or do you maybe just read the annual statements.



Your assertion of me being neither wealthy nor poor is correct. I always look at the quarterly statements for all of my investments, I still get them mailed to me so I don;t forget to keep my eye on them.
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April 18th, 2025 at 5:03:41 PM permalink
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
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You aren't factoring in compounding. I'll use round numbers to make it simpler.
You deposit $50 and are earning 10% interest . After a year, you have $55. The next year you get 10% interest on $55 and have $60.50.
Your deposits will make interest, and that interest will get interest. That's why it is vital to get the money in early- so it earns incom e and that income compounds. You still have 30 years to catch up.
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April 18th, 2025 at 5:07:44 PM permalink
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
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Nathan
It was 8 months ago that a few of us here expressed concern about the likelihood of you being absolutely stoney broke in your retirement. Broke as in not being able to house and feed yourself.
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I expect to retire around 68. ... My 401K has about $7,000 at this moment. I started my 401K a bit late and made a couple of loans from it. Had I started my 401K from the get go and NEVER touched it, I probably would have had about $15,000 in it.💡

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Maybe you are inline to inherit a fortune, in which case, no problem.

$50 x 25 years x 12 monthly paychecks = an extra $15,000 (in todays money) NOT $28,000. So are you counting employer's match contributions.*

Let's be extremely optimistic and say you get your 401K up to $50,000 by age 68. How long will that KEEP YOU ALIVE?
Don't count on Social Security to be enough.
You need to be putting more like $200-$500 a month away unless you have a good plan B.

All this assumes you can even hold a job down till age 68, Can you? Walgreens won't be laying you off through modernisation programs?

Do you have a good Plan B? Put my mind at rest.


*If you are not at least getting the employer's Max matching, then you are giving free money away every month.


Is there a government web site where you can get a quote of your likely or accrued monthly Social Security benefit. I'm curious how your US system works. Here in the UK, there is a gov web site that we can go to.

Maybe try this https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/benefit6.cgi
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I get paid twice a month. So $50 each paycheck is $100 a month. At the end of the year I will have $1,200. After 25 years, I will have an extra $30,000. 💡

But I at first had calculated what I would have had if I had started from my VERY FIRST paycheck at $50 every paycheck for 18 years. I already have about $7,000 in my Retirement Fund now. And $100×(Remember I get paid twice a month or $50×2 ) is $1,200 a year and × 18 years is roughly $21,000 + $7000 is $28,000 I would have had today if I had done this every single paycheck for 18 years. 💡
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April 18th, 2025 at 7:47:31 PM permalink
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NOTHING is more critical than saving towards your retirement. The first 10-15% of your paycheck should go into a retirement account, and you need to learn how to live on 85% of your take-home.
You won't get by on just your Social Security check, and you have already wasted eighteen years.
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡

If I start with my next paycheck saving $50 every paycheck and work for say 25 more years, I will have about an extra $28,000 in my Retirement Fund. Miplet has roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund and he's only about a year older than me and he implied he is worried about only having roughly $160,000 in his Retirement Fund . I'll admit I screwed up by not saving for my Retirement Fund from my VERY FIRST paycheck. 😵‍💫💡🤔 But I will start SERIOUSLY saving for my Retirement from now on. 💡
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Nathan
It was 8 months ago that a few of us here expressed concern about the likelihood of you being absolutely stoney broke in your retirement. Broke as in not being able to house and feed yourself.
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I expect to retire around 68. ... My 401K has about $7,000 at this moment. I started my 401K a bit late and made a couple of loans from it. Had I started my 401K from the get go and NEVER touched it, I probably would have had about $15,000 in it.💡

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Maybe you are inline to inherit a fortune, in which case, no problem.

$50 x 25 years x 12 monthly paychecks = an extra $15,000 (in todays money) NOT $28,000. So are you counting employer's match contributions.*

Let's be extremely optimistic and say you get your 401K up to $50,000 by age 68. How long will that KEEP YOU ALIVE?
Don't count on Social Security to be enough.
You need to be putting more like $200-$500 a month away unless you have a good plan B.

All this assumes you can even hold a job down till age 68, Can you? Walgreens won't be laying you off through modernisation programs?

Do you have a good Plan B? Put my mind at rest.


*If you are not at least getting the employer's Max matching, then you are giving free money away every month.


Is there a government web site where you can get a quote of your likely or accrued monthly Social Security benefit. I'm curious how your US system works. Here in the UK, there is a gov web site that we can go to.

Maybe try this https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/benefit6.cgi
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I get paid twice a month. So $50 each paycheck is $100 a month. At the end of the year I will have $1,200. After 25 years, I will have an extra $30,000. 💡

But I at first had calculated what I would have had if I had started from my VERY FIRST paycheck at $50 every paycheck for 18 years. I already have about $7,000 in my Retirement Fund now. And $100×(Remember I get paid twice a month or $50×2 ) is $1,200 a year and × 18 years is roughly $21,000 + $7000 is $28,000 I would have had today if I had done this every single paycheck for 18 years. 💡
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There is zero chance you won't gamble most of it away.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 19th, 2025 at 12:15:41 AM permalink
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You aren't factoring in compounding. I'll use round numbers to make it simpler.
You deposit $50 and are earning 10% interest . After a year, you have $55. The next year you get 10% interest on $55 and have $60.50.
Your deposits will make interest, and that interest will get interest. That's why it is vital to get the money in early- so it earns incom e and that income compounds. You still have 30 years to catch up.
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In my estimations, i considered investment returns, dividends and growth would keep up with and cancel out the effect of inflation which also compounds.
E.g. If Nathan needs 10,000 per year today, then she might need 23,000 per year after 28 years of 3% inflation ( or 39,000 after 5% inflation). If her investment return was also 3%(or 5%) AND she increased her contributions at 3% a year as her salary goes up, then all these things cancel out and we can just use 'today values' for everything. I acknowledge that investment returns could be way in excess of inflation, but it's far from guaranteed that they would even keep up.

As years pass, reality will assert itself and Nathan has already spent 18 years to build up just over a very real $7000, which no doubt buys less groceries than it would have 18 years ago.
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April 19th, 2025 at 10:53:02 AM permalink
I'll confess, I thought that the Bingo loophole would KEEP being a lucrative hustle for me, I was winning at least $300 every Bingo day so I REALLY didn't take my finances all that seriously, hey, just keep winning at least $300 for about 10 times in the year, that gravy train will keep rolling for YEARS and I got caught and banned and the gravy train is stalled for a year and it could be a permanent stop if the Casino ban is just for a year whereas the Bingo ban is permanent. The letter just states that it's a Casino ban for a year. For all I know, I'll be allowed back into JUST the Casino after a year and not the Bingo games. Now that the Bingo train has stopped for at least a year, I am going to be taking my finances VERY seriously. 💡
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April 19th, 2025 at 11:07:50 AM permalink
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I JUST did calculations and if I had saved $50 from every paycheck for Retirement, I would have had about $21,000 for Retirement. 💡
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You aren't factoring in compounding. I'll use round numbers to make it simpler.
You deposit $50 and are earning 10% interest . After a year, you have $55. The next year you get 10% interest on $55 and have $60.50.
Your deposits will make interest, and that interest will get interest. That's why it is vital to get the money in early- so it earns incom e and that income compounds. You still have 30 years to catch up.
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In my estimations, i considered investment returns, dividends and growth would keep up with and cancel out the effect of inflation which also compounds.
E.g. If Nathan needs 10,000 per year today, then she might need 23,000 per year after 28 years of 3% inflation ( or 39,000 after 5% inflation). If her investment return was also 3%(or 5%) AND she increased her contributions at 3% a year as her salary goes up, then all these things cancel out and we can just use 'today values' for everything. I acknowledge that investment returns could be way in excess of inflation, but it's far from guaranteed that they would even keep up.

As years pass, reality will assert itself and Nathan has already spent 18 years to build up just over a very real $7000, which no doubt buys less groceries than it would have 18 years ago.
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There is no point in harping on the past. She is starting from a bad place, but she still has twenty-plus years to make up for it. $100 a paycheck for twenty years will get you around $65,000, which can be used to buy an annuity that will pay you a few hundred a month. That and your social security will be enough, as long as you don't eat very often and have a lot of friends who allow you to couch surf.
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April 19th, 2025 at 11:54:55 AM permalink
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There is no point in harping on the past. She is starting from a bad place, but she still has twenty-plus years to make up for it. $100 a paycheck for twenty years will get you around $65,000, which can be used to buy an annuity that will pay you a few hundred a month. That and your social security will be enough, as long as you don't eat very often and have a lot of friends who allow you to couch surf.
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True enough. She is where she is and has to start there.
She's proposing $50 from each paycheck and BR suggests $100 as an absolute minimum. I'm with BR on urging her to contribute to the max possible extent. $100 is a big ask, but so is coach surfing at age 68. Karen remaining employed to age 68 is also a pretty big ask, through no fault of hers.

I urge Nathan to check her Social Security payment forecast. To my understanding, she needs 35 years of contributing years to get about $2,000 a month and from my estimate of her current salary and situation, it's more like $1100 a month as it stands.*

Karen...... The sooner you start saving and economising, the better. Remember to get the maximum employer contribution match, possible.

*Actually, I'm impressed and surprised that the US 'Social Security' pension compares very well to our UK state pension . Typically >$2,000 per month compared to the $1330 that I and my wife will both get from age 66.

Is my $2,000 estimate correct for a Walgreens salary for 35 years?
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April 19th, 2025 at 12:00:37 PM permalink
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Is my $2,000 estimate correct for a Walgreens salary for 35 years?



That is probably a reasonable guess. My projected SS is around $2600 if I start collecting at 62. I believe it would be closer to $3100 if I waited until 65.
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April 19th, 2025 at 1:36:38 PM permalink
$2,000 sounds right if she waited until her full retirement age, but the trend is to take it much earlier. The majority of my friends are taking it at 62. I don't get anywhere near $2,000 from SS, but I've multiple revenue streams.
Florida has lots of 55 and over communities, and some- Century City, and Green Acres come to mind, are very reasonable. Your church will often help find a roommate or someone needing a boarder.
The good thing is you'll get discounts at Dennys and many other places, so your money will go further.
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April 19th, 2025 at 2:44:35 PM permalink
Just noticed on TV Burger King has a 2/5 and 3/7 deal. Maybe you can get a couple chicken sandwich for Easter tomorrow...I know in the past you have mentioned you like Burger King
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Just noticed on TV Burger King has a 2/5 and 3/7 deal. Maybe you can get a couple chicken sandwich for Easter tomorrow...I know in the past you have mentioned you like Burger King
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Nice offer. Not available to me in the UK, though.
$;o(

https://retailwire.com/burger-king-2-for-5-3-for-7-combos/
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$2,000 sounds right if she waited until her full retirement age, but the trend is to take it much earlier. The majority of my friends are taking it at 62.
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Do you need 35 participating years, to get it in full and are those participating years optional. I.e. Might it be that Nathan hasn't yet got 18 Years in the bag?

Here in UK, we have to be employed and earning a modest wage for a year to count towards the quota. We can buy skipped years for about $1,000 to make up to 35. For each year we are missing, our weekly pension is reduced by 1/35 or about $25 a month.
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April 19th, 2025 at 7:33:15 PM permalink
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I'll confess, I thought that the Bingo loophole would KEEP being a lucrative hustle for me, I was winning at least $300 every Bingo day so I REALLY didn't take my finances all that seriously, hey, just keep winning at least $300 for about 10 times in the year, that gravy train will keep rolling for YEARS and I got caught and banned and the gravy train is stalled for a year and it could be a permanent stop if the Casino ban is just for a year whereas the Bingo ban is permanent. The letter just states that it's a Casino ban for a year. For all I know, I'll be allowed back into JUST the Casino after a year and not the Bingo games. Now that the Bingo train has stopped for at least a year, I am going to be taking my finances VERY seriously. 💡
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The fact that you were able to detect and work that opportunity means you will be able to do it again, as long as opportunities exist.

You might want to consider relocating to a place where there is more gaming. Most larger venues have a bunch of things you can play for $20/hr or so, if you put the work in to detect and solve them.

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April 19th, 2025 at 8:03:32 PM permalink
I'm not sure where you are getting the 35 year figure.

To my knowledge, you need 40 credits to qualify for SS. You get one credit for each quarter, so ten years of employment qualifies you.
If you have 40 credits, you qualify for benefits. 39 credits and you don't. The more high-paying years you have, the higher your payment. I don't believe the US offers any buy-out options. They used to have some little-known options, but they were discontinued.
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April 24th, 2025 at 7:21:19 PM permalink
Well, I will confess that I haven't posted much on WOV because I have two certain individuals make VERY racist posts based on what I posted here. I can say something VERY serious like, " I fell down and broke my leg and got a cast, and they'll make that VERY serious post and make a COMPLETELY racist mocking post about it. 😫

They will say stuff like,"Karen Nathan fell down on the ground and said,"Ouch, this done flo sho tripped me up and muh leg sho done hurt. I called my Mammie to take I's and I's to the dere h'spitalul and she sho nuff did and the doctor's put dus here cast on dus dere hutting leg of mines and mines."

They make fan fiction about me and my Mother as if we are stereotypical slaves from 1850. 😫 I have politely asked these two individuals to STOP making racist posts about me and my Mother but they continue to do so. 🤔 Even the Admin on this Website said that racist posts are to STOP and they STILL make racist posts about me and my Mother. 😫 I have politely asked for the HIGHLY racist "Mammie,"fan fiction to STOP and they STILL do it. 😫 One of them just recently well let's just say called me an animal who hangs out on a porch. It's all VERY racist and I am fed up with it. 😫

I know we are not supposed to bring up drama from other Websites on here, but I feel this should be an exception as they are making racist posts about me and my Mother based on what I write here and I am sick of it. 😫 I will FULLY accept a suspension for bringing up drama from another Website and putting it here, that's how fed up with this whole thing I am. 😫
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April 24th, 2025 at 8:54:35 PM permalink
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...One of them just recently well let's just say called me an animal who hangs out on a porch...



They called you a... monkey?

I haven't seen anything like that here, but I might just be overlooking it. When you spend your time in casinos you have to be prepared to peacefully coexist with all kinds of people (including the you-know-whats!) and not easily offended or upset. If someone's race is going to disorient them I can't imagine them being very successful in that environment.

And at the same time, anyone who publicly posts information about another player (physical appearance, where they play, anything that could help a casino identify them on the floor)) I consider to be edgeplaying at being a snitch and I will treat them accordingly.
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April 24th, 2025 at 9:02:09 PM permalink
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...One of them just recently well let's just say called me an animal who hangs out on a porch...



They called you a... monkey?

I haven't seen anything like that here, but I might just be overlooking it. When you spend your time in casinos you have to be prepared to peacefully coexist with all kinds of people (including the you-know-whats!) and not easily offended or upset. If someone's race is going to disorient them I can't imagine them being very successful in that environment.

And at the same time, anyone who publicly posts information about another player (physical appearance, where they play, anything that could help a casino identify them on the floor)) I consider to be edgeplaying at being a snitch and I will treat them accordingly.
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I had someone on that other Website take my picture while I was in a Casino minding my own business and put my picture on that Website for everybody to see without my permission, acknowledgement, or knowledge. 😵‍💫 This Poster also inadvertently photographed two bystanders who were playing near me, those random people had NOTHING to do with me and THEIR pictures were put on that Website without their permission, knowledge, and consent too! 😱😳
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April 24th, 2025 at 9:16:46 PM permalink
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...One of them just recently well let's just say called me an animal who hangs out on a porch...



They called you a... monkey?

I haven't seen anything like that here, but I might just be overlooking it. When you spend your time in casinos you have to be prepared to peacefully coexist with all kinds of people (including the you-know-whats!) and not easily offended or upset. If someone's race is going to disorient them I can't imagine them being very successful in that environment.

And at the same time, anyone who publicly posts information about another player (physical appearance, where they play, anything that could help a casino identify them on the floor)) I consider to be edgeplaying at being a snitch and I will treat them accordingly.
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I had someone on that other Website take my picture while I was in a Casino minding my own business and put my picture on that Website for everybody to see without my permission, acknowledgement, or knowledge. 😵‍💫 This Poster also inadvertently photographed two bystanders who were playing near me, those random people had NOTHING to do with me and THEIR pictures were put on that Website without their permission, knowledge, and consent too! 😱😳
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That, is the kind of behavior that should and usually does get you blackballed in the world of advantage play.

It's also the kind of guy that I would be inclined to follow into that place in the casino where there are no cameras, and [self-censored].
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There are some former and even current WOV members who toss about the n word relentlessly Nathan is quite right about those goings on.
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There are some former and even current WOV members who toss about the n word relentlessly Nathan is quiet right about those goings on.
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You meant quite and not quiet right? 💡
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Seminole Classic Casino is going to have Bingo on May 7th. I'm banned for a year from Seminole Classic Casino, but maybe other Posters might want to go there and play. 😀
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April 25th, 2025 at 8:52:37 AM permalink
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I know we are not supposed to bring up drama from other Websites on here, but I feel this should be an exception as they are making racist posts about me and my Mother based on what I write here and I am sick of it. 😫 I will FULLY accept a suspension for bringing up drama from another Website and putting it here, that's how fed up with this whole thing I am. 😫
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You have no reason or excuse for this post. If you don't like the posts there, complain there.
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April 25th, 2025 at 9:41:06 AM permalink
I had to look up P.M. as I wasn't familiar with it. I don't think I've ever heard it, nor read it before. I'd assumed it was similar to a couch potato.
I don't know what the purpose of this thread is. Are you looking for people here to go there(where?) and defend you or is this just you blowing off steam?
If you are looking for advice, Move on. Why post on a site that allows such garbage in the first place?
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April 25th, 2025 at 10:06:51 AM permalink
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I know we are not supposed to bring up drama from other Websites on here, but I feel this should be an exception as they are making racist posts about me and my Mother based on what I write here and I am sick of it. 😫 I will FULLY accept a suspension for bringing up drama from another Website and putting it here, that's how fed up with this whole thing I am. 😫
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You have no reason or excuse for this post. If you don't like the posts there, complain there.
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In my case I was referring as well to the occasional posts you see in THIS and other WOV threads by banned member(s) that remain up until deleted.

So this is not entirely a topic that concerns an outside forum.

But I would agree - enough said for now, the mods are doing a good job scrubbing those posts as quickly as possible.
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April 25th, 2025 at 2:45:29 PM permalink
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I know we are not supposed to bring up drama from other Websites on here, but I feel this should be an exception as they are making racist posts about me and my Mother based on what I write here and I am sick of it. 😫 I will FULLY accept a suspension for bringing up drama from another Website and putting it here, that's how fed up with this whole thing I am. 😫
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You have no reason or excuse for this post. If you don't like the posts there, complain there.
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In my case I was referring as well to the occasional posts you see in THIS and other WOV threads by banned member(s) that remain up until deleted.

So this is not entirely a topic that concerns an outside forum.

But I would agree - enough said for now, the mods are doing a good job scrubbing those posts as quickly as possible.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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