Sexual consent?
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Talk about revisionist history -- in order to be upheld in Court, everyone is going to eventually have to wear 360˚ High Def cameras with sound - it will be the only way to determine what exactly happened
Signed consent forms? no good - the consent could have been coerced or forged
Videotaped consent? no good - someone could be off camera holding a gun pointed at you; or could have kidnapped a family member, thus forcing you to consent on video
24/7 cameras with sound are the wave of the future for sexual consent
Quote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
Talk about revisionist history -- in order to be upheld in Court, everyone is going to eventually have to wear 360˚ High Def cameras with sound - it will be the only way to determine what exactly happened
Signed consent forms? no good - the consent could have been coerced or forged
Videotaped consent? no good - someone could be off camera holding a gun pointed at you; or could have kidnapped a family member, thus forcing you to consent on video
24/7 cameras with sound are the wave of the future for sexual consent
It seems you can also find yourself in trouble for "unwanted advances", even if the person never indicated it was unwanted. Seems the next generation will have to send a certified letter asking if it's ok to talk to them to reduce the chances of a ruined career or public embarrassment.
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Quote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
Talk about revisionist history -- in order to be upheld in Court, everyone is going to eventually have to wear 360˚ High Def cameras with sound - it will be the only way to determine what exactly happened
Signed consent forms? no good - the consent could have been coerced or forged
Videotaped consent? no good - someone could be off camera holding a gun pointed at you; or could have kidnapped a family member, thus forcing you to consent on video
24/7 cameras with sound are the wave of the future for sexual consent
This is beyond messed up news. Reminds me of two separate things. I remember in my high school or college years some guy was telling his buddies that his friend's girlfriend ran out of his house buck naked. There was a lot of laughter from his buddies. Then he dropped the bomb. She told a passing police he had raped her and the friend was now in jail. The buddies' laughter stopped on a dime and his buddies were like," Damn!That's actually really messed up!" I have heard that women will give sexual consent and then claim rape if they regretted the sex. That's messed up.
Quote: NathanQuote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
Talk about revisionist history -- in order to be upheld in Court, everyone is going to eventually have to wear 360˚ High Def cameras with sound - it will be the only way to determine what exactly happened
Signed consent forms? no good - the consent could have been coerced or forged
Videotaped consent? no good - someone could be off camera holding a gun pointed at you; or could have kidnapped a family member, thus forcing you to consent on video
24/7 cameras with sound are the wave of the future for sexual consent
This is beyond messed up news. Reminds me of two separate things. I remember in my high school or college years some guy was telling his buddies that his friend's girlfriend ran out of his house buck naked. There was a lot of laughter. Then he dropped the bomb. She told a passing police he had raped her and the friend was now in jail. The laughter stopped on a dime and his buddies were like," Damn!That's actually really messed up!" I have heard that women will give sexual consent and then claim rape if they regretted the sex. That's messed up.
See the Aziz Ansari case:
This is the blog post written by the woman who Aziz Ansari had sex with, who, later "regretted" it
Article in The Atlantic defending Ansari (written by, yes, a female)
Ansari's statement:
After they get these kind of policies, the women wonder where all the good, marriagable men have gone. Why more and more men are going MGTOW.
For men, it is just more and more not worth the risk. She fake cries rape. She says you abuse the kids. She instigates physical action then tells everyone he beats her. The man has his life destroyed. Nobody believes him. The few that do get called misogynists.
Learn a trade and live comfortable and happy on your own. Just shrug and move on when all the single moms complain about how hard they have it.
Quote: AZDuffmanMen need to pretty much avoid universities these days. Too many crazy, man-hating women stacking the deck against them.
After they get these kind of policies, the women wonder where all the good, marriagable men have gone. Why more and more men are going MGTOW.
For men, it is just more and more not worth the risk. She fake cries rape. She says you abuse the kids. She instigates physical action then tells everyone he beats her. The man has his life destroyed. Nobody believes him. The few that do get called misogynists.
Learn a trade and live comfortable and happy on your own. Just shrug and move on when all the single moms complain about how hard they have it.
Divorce attorneys (myself excluded), when retained by a woman, whether there has ever been a domestic violence incident in the past or not, routinely have their female clients immediately file for an order of protection on behalf of herself and the kids - gets the guy immediately removed from the house and, even if it is shown at trial that nothing actually happened - the guy is fighting from behind as the woman and kids are in the house and she has no incentive to settle the case from this position of power
In Georgia a woman must resist rape to the utmost of her ability under the circumstances else the law will not consider the event to be rape.
In Washington and probably other states a woman can not claim an implied threat so an encounter with a street person who says he wants sex can not claim a fear of a dirty disheveled person or an assumption that he was armed. He did not display a weapon or threaten to force the issue, he merely disclosed his desires.
Getting control of the marital residence is important particularly since checkbooks and tax returns are there as well as perhaps diaries, calendars and perhaps other evidence.
Quote: FleaStiffThe law can be taken to extremes.
In Georgia a woman must resist rape to the utmost of her ability under the circumstances else the law will not consider the event to be rape.
In Washington and probably other states a woman can not claim an implied threat so an encounter with a street person who says he wants sex can not claim a fear of a dirty disheveled person or an assumption that he was armed. He did not display a weapon or threaten to force the issue, he merely disclosed his desires.
Getting control of the marital residence is important particularly since checkbooks and tax returns are there as well as perhaps diaries, calendars and perhaps other evidence.
Georgia Law is messed up. I remember a woman was slipped a Roofie without her permission in her drink and was passed out. When she came to, she realized her vagina was unusually sore and went to the ER to have herself checked out. That's how she found out she had been raped while she was passed out. Poor woman. :( According to Georgia Law, it's not rape since she didn't do anything to stop the rape from occurring. She couldn't! She was passed out! Georgia Law is beyond messed up! :(
Quote: aceofspadesDivorce attorneys (myself excluded), when retained by a woman, whether there has ever been a domestic violence incident in the past or not, routinely have their female clients immediately file for an order of protection on behalf of herself and the kids - gets the guy immediately removed from the house and, even if it is shown at trial that nothing actually happened - the guy is fighting from behind as the woman and kids are in the house and she has no incentive to settle the case from this position of power
What makes you different? Sounds like a good and accepted strategy.
Are your clients better served by not utilizing basic strategy?
Quote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
Joke's on them... I could never get laid in college.
Seriously, though... there is no way that would hold up in a court of law, if it ever even made it to trial. That would set up all kinds of ridiculous precedent.
"Hello, police? I know I said Bill could borrow my car to go to the store, but I have retroactively changed my mind and would like to press charges for grand theft auto. And I also bought him lunch last week but I've changed my mind about that, too, so I'd like to have him charged with petty theft, as well."
So you had sex with someone and regret it. Welcome to real life. Get the **** over it and move on.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
Joke's on them... I could never get laid in college.
Seriously, though... there is no way that would hold up in a court of law, if it ever even made it to trial. That would set up all kinds of ridiculous precedent.
"Hello, police? I know I said Bill could borrow my car to go to the store, but I have retroactively changed my mind and would like to press charges for grand theft auto. And I also bought him lunch last week but I've changed my mind about that, too, so I'd like to have him charged with petty theft, as well."
So you had sex with someone and regret it. Welcome to real life. Get the **** over it and move on.
Yeah I don't see that holding up well at all. You can't press charges after giving consent. Though it is a gray area since most sexual activities occur in private. A lot of "He said, she said," goes on. I think it was mentioned that people just might have to have written consent that is signed by a lawyer/notary and both of them before consensual sex is had. So that way a woman who regretted the sex can't turn around and say,"Hey, he raped me!" Because the lawyer/notary could just show the contract that all of them signed agreeing to the consensual sex.
Quote: MaxPenWhat makes you different? Sounds like a good and accepted strategy.
Are your clients better served by not utilizing basic strategy?
I have this thing about not fabricating evidence
about the NY attorney general resigning
over a sex scandal big news? He's the
guy who hates Trump, and Trump predicted
in 2013 that this guy would resign in disgrace
just like Elliot Spitzer did.
Trump is a prophet.
Quote: aceofspadesAt some universities, they are teaching women that, even if they consented to sex, they can revoke that consent the next day (can a man do this as well?)
That article doesn't do a very good job of explaining it, but I think the university program is saying that if you were very drunk, then you were unable to give consent to begin with. Not that you willingly engaged in sex and then regretted it the next day. It's from a news site with a conservative POV, unsurprisingly.
Quote: aceofspadesI have this thing about not fabricating evidence
How quaint
Quote: EvenBobHey Ace, you live in NYC, is the story
about the NY attorney general resigning
over a sex scandal big news? He's the
guy who hates Trump, and Trump predicted
in 2013 that this guy would resign in disgrace
just like Elliot Spitzer did.
Trump is a prophet.
Oh yeah very big news!
Quote: jmills
That article doesn't do a very good job of explaining it, but I think the university program is saying that if you were very drunk, then you were unable to give consent to begin with. Not that you willingly engaged in sex and then regretted it the next day. It's from a news site with a conservative POV, unsurprisingly.
Feminists have pushed this since at least my day. The woman can the next day decide she was too drunk, or some other excuse. You need to understand that to these feminist types, ANY sex is really rape. They hate men and will do anything to make life harder on every male around.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou need to understand that to these feminist types, ANY sex is really rape.
lolololol
Seeing a bunch of straight men bitching and moaning about consent is funny. Y'all seem miserable.
Quote: ams288lolololol
Seeing a bunch of straight men bitching and moaning about consent is funny. Y'all seem miserable.
Seeing as how this affects straight men - who else would be discussing it?
Quote: AZDuffmanYou need to understand that to these feminist types, ANY sex is really rape.
I remember in the 90's they told
us even consensual married sex
was rape for a woman. She was
only consenting because it was
expected, not because she wanted
it. Right.
Orson Wells said the two most frustrating
things in life are cold coffee, and an
insatiable woman. You can't do much
about either.
Quote: aceofspadesSeeing as how this affects straight men - who else would be discussing it?
I said "bitching and moaning."
When will the discussion start?
Quote: EvenBobI remember in the 90's they told
us even consensual married sex
was rape for a woman. She was
only consenting because it was
expected, not because she wanted
it. Right.
Not mine. I was the one turning her down a lot.
Quote: ams288I said "bitching and moaning."
When will the discussion start?
If you do not like the tone of the discussion, do not demean it by claiming it is 'bitching and moaning' - perhaps add in your own 2¢ and steer it towards a level of discourse you approve of
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot mine. I was the one turning her down a lot.
Of course, but that's not the point.
The Feminists wanted to convince
us no woman really ever wanted sex.
I actually dumped a woman 40 years
ago because that's all she wanted.
Great for about the first month, then
it gets real old real fast.
Quote: EvenBobOf course, but that's not the point.
The Feminists wanted to convince
us no woman really ever wanted sex.
I actually dumped a woman 40 years
ago because that's all she wanted.
Great for about the first month, then
it gets real old real fast.
Probably why BOB (Not you) was invented.
Quote: aceofspadesperhaps add in your own 2¢ and steer it towards a level of discourse you approve of
Oh god no, you don't want that. Believe
me.
Quote: EvenBobOf course, but that's not the point.
The Feminists wanted to convince
us no woman really ever wanted sex.
I actually dumped a woman 40 years
ago because that's all she wanted.
Great for about the first month, then
it gets real old real fast.
Reminds me of a show called The Secret Life Of The American Teenager. Adrian the female just wanted sex and Max,the male actually wanted a real relationship. Their relationship was weird due to the fact that Max was her stepbrother from her estranged father who walked out on Adrian and her Mom when Adrian was a baby and Adrian found out who he was when she was like 16. Her Dad got married to a woman who had a son named Max who was now around Adrian's age. Adrian and Max used the excuse," We're not blood related brother and sister, and we weren't raised as blood brother and sister, so us having a sexual relationship with each other is okay." Fans really went off on their relationship thinking it was still disgusting. I have older attractive first step cousins who are just a few years older than me and technically we are not blood related so it wouldn't be technically incest if we dated, but we were raised as first cousins and it would just gross out the family. The Adrian and Max relationship didn't last long as presumably the producers deducted fans would be grossed out.
Quote: ams288I said "bitching and moaning."
When will the discussion start?
Haha... did you read the posted article? It doesn't deserve serious discussion.
Quote: EvenBobOrson Wells said the two most frustrating
things in life are cold coffee, and an
insatiable woman. You can't do much
about either.
I prefer iced coffee myself.
Quote: gamerfreakI prefer iced coffee myself.
Translation: You entirely missed the point.
Quote: NathanGeorgia Law is messed up. I remember a woman was slipped a Roofie without her permission in her drink and was passed out. When she came to, she realized her vagina was unusually sore and went to the ER to have herself checked out. That's how she found out she had been raped while she was passed out. Poor woman. :( According to Georgia Law, it's not rape since she didn't do anything to stop the rape from occurring. She couldn't! She was passed out! Georgia Law is beyond messed up! :(
That does not seem to be correct
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-court-of-appeals/1745720.html
Georgia law stipulates that if a woman is drugged or otherwise mentally or physically incapacitated the level of requirement for her to do something to prevent the rape is lowered to the extent of her power at that time
Quote: darkozThat does not seem to be correct
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-court-of-appeals/1745720.html
Georgia law stipulates that if a woman is drugged or otherwise mentally or physically incapacitated the level of requirement for her to do something to prevent the rape is lowered to the extent of her power at that time
Geez! And I was using Nathan as my authoritative analyst of Georgia law! And you, darkoz, have now burst my bubble!
Quote: darkozThat does not seem to be correct
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-court-of-appeals/1745720.html
Georgia law stipulates that if a woman is drugged or otherwise mentally or physically incapacitated the level of requirement for her to do something to prevent the rape is lowered to the extent of her power at that time
If you are going to fact check peoples posts..........
Reportedly, Costner invited the girls back to his hotel room to have a party - but on one condition. The girls had to take off all of their clothing and become buck naked in the hotel hallway before they entered his hotel room.
I used to think Costner was a jerk, but now I understand why he does that. That, ladies, establishes "consent."
Quote: gamerfreakI prefer iced coffee myself.
I have switched over. I tell the girls at the coffeehouse that iced coffee warming up tastes better than hot coffee cooling off.
Quote: gordonm888I knew a girl (in her early 20s) who, with 2 other girls, happened to meet Kevin Costner in a beach community in South Carolina.
Reportedly, Costner invited the girls back to his hotel room to have a party - but on one condition. The girls had to take off all of their clothing and become buck naked in the hotel hallway before they entered his hotel room.
I used to think Costner was a jerk, but now I understand why he does that. That, ladies, establishes "consent."
Interesting example. It may in your mind, but not the law's. So in your mind once entering his hotel room the girls cannot say no if KC grabs one of them from behind? Can he f,,, them 3 times and then they can leave? 4? When do they regain their autonomy? Just curious....
