U2 and propoganda
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I am a lifelong obsessive fan of the band U2
I have been to every tour for the past 20 years and noticed, over that time, that each show has delved more and more into displays of political propaganda -- images form the current tour confirm that it is now becoming straight up talking points -- regardless of my political ideology, when I go to a concert, I want to hear the music and have fun - not be bombarded with political messages -- I am thinking of selling my ticket
Thoughts?
Wasn't this debunked?
Any data on this? If we go by laws and rights, name one right in the USA that men have that women don't (oh yeah, they have the right not to be conscripted)
Does this mean only women are poor? (What's with the minstrel show face on this?)
PS--I realize I mistyped propoganda in the thread title
Quote: billryanIt's entertainment. Go if you want, don't if you don't want to. How anyone can be upset with U2 for being political is strange. How do you separate a band known for its politics from politics?
It's not the politics on its own - it's that they are clearly talking points from one side without any data or evidence backing the slogans up
Quote: aceofspadesIt's not the politics on its own - it's that they are clearly talking points from one side without any data or evidence backing the slogans up
I'm not sure what you want from them. Shut up and sing? I can only imagine Bono's response.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure what you want from them. Shut up and sing? I can only imagine Bono's response.
Yes, basically - I do not want left or right wing agendas being promoted at a concert I paid for -- that is why I am thinking of putting the ticket up for sale
Quote: aceofspadesI am running into a quandary and seek the wisdom and thoughts of the forum:
I am a lifelong obsessive fan of the band U2...
My condolences.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMy condolences.
LOL
The sign says "opportunities," not "rights". To use the U.S. as an example, no women were drafted in the NFL last week, while a few hundred men were and guaranteed the contracts that go along with it. Perhaps it's simply because women choose not to be 6'5" and run a 4.4 40. But really it has more to do with different hormones and different dna. And differences in those things do create different opportunities.
Not a clue about the third one. It wouldn't be totally surprising if there were different causes and outcomes between men and women who live in poverty. My first thoughts on places to look would be prisons, drug abuse and treatment, mental health, and poor single mothers. Would be interested if there is a story behind that one
Quote: TomGI'll take a stab at this. Without knowing any background, the first sign seems like a reasonable request and good life advice. Asking to shoot people would be violent propaganda.
The sign says "opportunities," not "rights". To use the U.S. as an example, no women were drafted in the NFL last week, while a few hundred men were and guaranteed the contracts that go along with it. Perhaps it's simply because women choose not to be 6'5" and run a 4.4 40. But really it has more to do with different hormones and different dna. And differences in those things do create different opportunities.
Not a clue about the third one. It wouldn't be totally surprising if there were different causes and outcomes between men and women who live in poverty. My first thoughts on places to look would be prisons, drug abuse and treatment, mental health, and poor single mothers. Would be interested if there is a story behind that one
If a woman could pass the ball like Peyton Manning or sack a QB like Lawrence Taylor, then they certainly would be drafted - additionally, men’s and women’s sports have traditionally been separated as male professional athletes will easily dominate female professional athletes in every sport - do you want all major sports to be open competition — meaning no more male/female leagues - just one league? Women and men in the NBA/PGA/MLB/OLYMPICS/NFL/NHL? women would have virtually no chance at beating a professional male in any professional or olympic sport
Quote: aceofspadesIf a woman could pass the ball like Peyton Manning or sack a QB like Lawrence Taylor, then they certainly would be drafted
Women cannot do that because of sex differences, which means they have fewer lucrative professional football opportunities then men
Quote: TomGWomen cannot do that because of sex differences, which means they have fewer lucrative professional football opportunities then men
Exactly my point - it’s a false equivalency - it’s like men saying they have fewer opportunities for childbirth
Quote: aceofspades- it’s a false equivalency -
That may very well be true. That is also something different from propaganda
Quote: TomGWomen cannot do that because of sex differences, which means they have fewer lucrative professional football opportunities then men
On the other hand, millions of women... Millions, have lifestyles ranging from cofortable to decadent without working, or just doing something they enjoy on the side.
How much of those nfl earnings will be enjoyed by women? Over/under 45%
How much of the brain damage, busted knees and brutal workouts will be endured by women? 0.
Man women sure are horribly oppressed. How do they soldier on?
Anyway, politics and music often go hand in hand. You can enjoy it, dislike it or not care. But it's normal. It is just part of their personal expression.
To me, part of why you consume art is to check out someone else's pov.
Make it all based on performance - men and women all in the same league, same marathons, same track and field events (of course, the requirements would all be the same -- be better than the person you are competing against for a spot) -- that will give every woman the exact same opportunity in every sports league and/or event
For some strange reason...hmmmm...I doubt any woman would sign up for this "whoever is the best athlete" system
Quote: aceofspadesWhy don't be do away with gender specific leagues -- no more WNBA, LPGA, tennis, gender specific Olympic events, etc.
You are free to do that out of some weird sense of equal opportunity (it’s surprising you haven’t done it yet). Everyone else with a management stake in those leagues will instead do whatever is most profitable.
Support U2's political agenda with your attendance regardless if you support it or not
Life is not perfect
Life is short
Go to the concert and enjoy
I am not a trump supporter but went to a couple of rallies just to watch the circus
Go see the U2 circus
Quote: aceofspadesWhy don't be do away with gender specific leagues -- no more WNBA, LPGA, tennis, gender specific Olympic events, etc.
Make it all based on performance - men and women all in the same league, same marathons, same track and field events (of course, the requirements would all be the same -- be better than the person you are competing against for a spot) -- that will give every woman the exact same opportunity in every sports league and/or event
For some strange reason...hmmmm...I doubt any woman would sign up for this "whoever is the best athlete" system
Its not about competition
Its about entertainment
I am entertained by female athletes
No way I want them competing with the boys, it kills the entertainment
My favorite female athlete
Katie Ledecky
Quote: TomGWomen cannot do that because of sex differences, which means they have fewer lucrative professional football opportunities then men
There is absolutely nothing stopping a bunch of women from getting together and forming a professional football league for women players. I mean, they did it for basketball. And soccer. And a bunch of other sports.
So, the opportunity is there, it's just that no one has put forth the effort (and money) to actually do it. It has nothing to do with sexism.
Women were a sideshow in wrestling organizations until it was shown that there was money to be made. If and when a women's football league appears to be financially viable, it will happen.
I have seen some really good MMA female fights.
Quote: TigerWuThere is absolutely nothing stopping a bunch of women from getting together and forming a professional football league for women players. I mean, they did it for basketball. And soccer. And a bunch of other sports.
So, the opportunity is there, it's just that no one has put forth the effort (and money) to actually do it. It has nothing to do with sexism.
There is the lingerie (now Legends) football league. And they are more serious about the football portion than I would have ever have guessed.
But unfortunately for women, the only sport that is on somewhat equal footing with men for revenue and salaries is women's tennis I believe. Then I'm guessing golf is next down the line. Someone correct me if I'm wrong (very possible).
Quote: billryanThe NBA wanted nothing to do with women's basketball until it became obvious someone else was going to do it.
Women were a sideshow in wrestling organizations until it was shown that there was money to be made. If and when a women's football league appears to be financially viable, it will happen.
I think the wnba looses money. However, the best players can make pretty big money playing in china.
I think a lot of the reason they do stuff like the wnba and forcing female announcers into games is to expand the female audience for the sport and the products the sport is used to sell.
Quote: FleaStiffPropaganda? just having the band named after an unemployment form is propaganda enough.
Are you confusing them with UB40?
Quote: RigondeauxI think the wnba looses money. However, the best players can make pretty big money playing in china.
I think a lot of the reason they do stuff like the wnba and forcing female announcers into games is to expand the female audience for the sport and the products the sport is used to sell.
It's complicated. The league may be losing money itself, but many of the arenas are owned by the team owners so they get revenue that way.
Quote: RigondeauxI think the wnba looses money. However, the best players can make pretty big money playing in china.
I think a lot of the reason they do stuff like the wnba and forcing female announcers into games is to expand the female audience for the sport and the products the sport is used to sell.
I think its because the college game is so popular
A lot of women's college basketball teams pull in a lot of fans
UCONN games usually sell out
As to female announcers
I think Doris Burke is one of the best basketball announcer/analyst in the game regardless of gender
