Nathan
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February 21st, 2018 at 7:57:40 AM permalink
This is one of my rare completely serious threats but why don't these losers shooting up schools filled with innocent kids, teens, and staff do something POSITIVE? I am starting this thread thinking of it being reported somewhere that a mass shooter/killer of a school admitted he did it so that he would become famous and a part of History. Senseless and beyond sad. How about becoming famous and a part of History because you did something POSITIVE like saving a bunch of 5 year old's lives? Why become famous(More like infamous) for cruelly killing a bunch of innocent people for fun?
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Romes
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February 21st, 2018 at 9:18:44 AM permalink
Simple... because it's a lot easier to buy a gun and pull the trigger than it is to cure cancer. I saw a video I'll search for from a news station. Plus, people with mental health issues often have them as a result of violence/'bad' experiences, which I'd think doesn't make them more ample to do something good. They took a 13 year old boy to try to go purchase:

1) Cigarettes
2) Beer
3) Porn
4) Lottery Cards
5) Guns

He was 13 and looked 13... he was laughed at for trying to purchase 4 of these, and he DID purchase the 5th... which one do you think it was? Yes, the gun... from a gun show and a private seller. The 13 year old boy was able to buy a riffle, with ease.

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ThatDonGuy
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February 21st, 2018 at 9:31:33 AM permalink
Well, that, and they confuse "fame" and "infamy" (or "notoriety").

They think they will be "famous"; instead, they're "notorious," and that assumes anybody remembers their names long after the fact.
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February 21st, 2018 at 9:38:05 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Simple... because it's a lot easier to buy a gun and pull the trigger than it is to cure cancer. I saw a video I'll search for from a news station. Plus, people with mental health issues often have them as a result of violence/'bad' experiences, which I'd think doesn't make them more ample to do something good. They took a 13 year old boy to try to go purchase:

1) Cigarettes
2) Beer
3) Porn
4) Lottery Cards
5) Guns

He was 13 and looked 13... he was laughed at for trying to purchase 4 of these, and he DID purchase the 5th... which one do you think it was? Yes, the gun... from a gun show and a private seller. The 13 year old boy was able to buy a riffle, with ease.



Without going overly specific, that was a .22cal bolt action rifle with no apparent removable magazine, ie, none of the characteristics that trigger what we'll call "increased scrutiny", such as large cap mags and such.

Federal law states that a licensed dealer must not sell to anyone under 18. Federal law also states that unlicensed dealers MAY sell to anyone, regardless of age. I don't know the ol' fellas status, but if he's just a dude with guns, no laws were broken.

Further, VA itself has no laws concerning age where these low cal, low cap guns are concerned. Handguns, sure. Weapons with certain accessories or abilities, very much so. Open carry, you bet. But for a 5-10rd bolt action .22, nothing.

In other words, this appears to be completely valid, legal under the eyes of both state and federal government. Show me the same kid getting a handgun, or a semi with a cap over 10rds, and I'd least share your shock if not outrage. Otherwise, I got relatively the same gun (mine is semi) when I was 8yrs old.
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Steverinos
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February 21st, 2018 at 9:43:14 AM permalink
Things are changing this time around because of the kids. The demonstrations today are impressive. Adults aren't cutting it anymore. You'd think that when twenty 6 year old kids were murdered in elementary school, the republicans would've come around and engaged in some common sense. But now that we have 17 and 18 year olds who are getting ready to vote, this might make the difference.
billryan
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February 21st, 2018 at 10:15:24 AM permalink
Quote: Face

Quote: Romes

Simple... because it's a lot easier to buy a gun and pull the trigger than it is to cure cancer. I saw a video I'll search for from a news station. Plus, people with mental health issues often have them as a result of violence/'bad' experiences, which I'd think doesn't make them more ample to do something good. They took a 13 year old boy to try to go purchase:

1) Cigarettes
2) Beer
3) Porn
4) Lottery Cards
5) Guns

He was 13 and looked 13... he was laughed at for trying to purchase 4 of these, and he DID purchase the 5th... which one do you think it was? Yes, the gun... from a gun show and a private seller. The 13 year old boy was able to buy a riffle, with ease.



Without going overly specific, that was a .22cal bolt action rifle with no apparent removable magazine, ie, none of the characteristics that trigger what we'll call "increased scrutiny", such as large cap mags and such.

Federal law states that a licensed dealer must not sell to anyone under 18. Federal law also states that unlicensed dealers MAY sell to anyone, regardless of age. I don't know the ol' fellas status, but if he's just a dude with guns, no laws were broken.

Further, VA itself has no laws concerning age where these low cal, low cap guns are concerned. Handguns, sure. Weapons with certain accessories or abilities, very much so. Open carry, you bet. But for a 5-10rd bolt action .22, nothing.

In other words, this appears to be completely valid, legal under the eyes of both state and federal government. Show me the same kid getting a handgun, or a semi with a cap over 10rds, and I'd least share your shock if not outrage. Otherwise, I got relatively the same gun (mine is semi) when I was 8yrs old.



The outrage is that that sale was legal. A private citizen can't sell or give my son a beer, but can sell him a gun.
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February 21st, 2018 at 11:14:22 AM permalink
Quote: billryan


The outrage is that that sale was legal. A private citizen can't sell or give my son a beer, but can sell him a gun.
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It's been legal since before your great-great-great-great grandaddy was even a twinkle in his daddy's eye. 230 years+ it's been legal.

I just did a wickedly quick look at weapons used in mass shootings during my lifetime ('80-present). TWO used a .22cal, both handguns. NONE used a bolt action. I'm afraid I'd need more info to understand why you or anyone finds anything nearing "outrage".
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FleaStiff
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February 21st, 2018 at 11:17:08 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

This is one of my rare completely serious threats but why don't these losers shooting up schools filled with innocent kids, teens, and staff do something POSITIVE?

Mainly because they are utterly without hope. Many kids in extreme at risk categories do very well indeed when given a serious task rather than merely having to wash out police cars or pick up roadside trash.

One town needed to Geo-Code everything but couldn't afford an engineering firm's bid so they used the at risk youth to go out and geocode every sign, address, intersection, guard rail, light pole, pipeline, etc. and told them it was for use in disasters and missing person searches. The at risk kids loved it and did a really good job when they had something more meaningful to do than algebra.

One guy got a certificate at 14 that the school system was thru with him. After that he could legally get hired so he worked on fishing boats, learned enough about marine diesels to pass the written and practical by age 16 and after that he made a fortune as a licensed marine diesel mechanic. If they had kept him in school he would have wound up in jails and prisons instead of tugboats and fishing boats.

Some troubled youth actually make references to Prisoner of War camps when referring to their schools.
darkoz
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February 21st, 2018 at 11:21:28 AM permalink
Quote: Face

It's been legal since before your great-great-great-great grandaddy was even a twinkle in his daddy's eye. 230 years+ it's been legal.

I just did a wickedly quick look at weapons used in mass shootings during my lifetime ('80-present). TWO used a .22cal, both handguns. NONE used a bolt action. I'm afraid I'd need more info to understand why you or anyone finds anything nearing "outrage".



For one thing they didnt have the same powerful guns 230 years ago. Werent they using muskets in 1776?

Second they didnt have hundreds of school shootings 230 years ago either

If a law is antiquated as evidenced by recent actions it should be changed
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Steverinos
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February 21st, 2018 at 11:28:56 AM permalink
Man if there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand it's this notion that we just throw our hands up and say " well this is the way we've always done it".

So.

That doesn't mean it's the best way to do it.

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