What led up to this situation?Quote: coilman
There's some missing video after they put the cuffs on you. Just curious if anything interesting happened at that time?
I'm still not sure why you didn't take your chips and go ASAP at the beginning? Had you done that they wouldn't have obtained your real name.
The goal should be to get out of the casino with your chips/money with very little attention and as fast possible. Hopefully you were just being difficult because you had a few drinks and weren't making normal AP decisions.
And now your name is all over the internet along with a reason to distribute it to other casinos confirming you're not someone they want in their casino for any reason. Even if you're not counting and playing ploppy status. No casino wants someone in the casino that won't show ID, films and puts up resistance when asked to leave. I think they do have the right to ask for ID, however they should've just said it was an age check.
Hopefully you do get something out of this, but I don't see anything to damaging. If that's all that ever happens to an AP, then I'll call it utopic.
Fun Video to WATCH either way .
The videos don't garner much sympathy nor do they portray the person in a very positive light.
It would be nice if Paul Harvey would pop in and fill us in on the rest of the story.
I would like to make the following comments:
This is clearly a HARRAH'S casino (re: management), BUT it is obviously a Native American Enterprise, located on reservation land
and that means that like any similar business, it is operating on "sovereign" land. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1979 decided that even constitutionally granted rights are null and void on reservation land. That case included unlawful search and seizure as well as detaining.
In this particular case we are seeing a misguided young man who fails to understand that he has NO legal rights whatsoever in this case. If the casino "police" wanted to handcuff him to a tree and let him whine for a few days or even beat him senseless, there is NO recourse available to him.
It is crystal clear to me that his words indicated that he imagined that he would receive a windfall cash settlement following a civil lawsuit. The chances of that happening are ZERO.
A get rich quick scheme at a casino, I am shocked.
...I think the patron was a wise ass cardcounter who got caught. End of story -- move on to another casino.
I though you and the crew on your site think AP is a myth? If so why would a casino do this?
Whether a tribal casino or a casino owned by a public corporation operating on the Strip in Vegas, the casino has a right to determine who they want to do business with. They didn't want to do business with him. They wanted ID which is a reasonable request; he was argumentative and easily could have provided the ID, gotten his money, been trespassed and left. Instead he was responsible for escalating the situation. I think the patron was a wise ass cardcounter who got caught. End of story -- move on to another casino.
I completely disagree. You are under no obligation to provide ID, they are under every obligation to cash your chips. The chips are a bearer instrument that must be paid to the presenter in almost every case. From a practical standpoint, he should have just left with his chips and came back to cash them later.