Invoice in a new car's window
It seems to me there is only one reason that someone would do this. It is because they are trying to impress their friends, neighbors or the public with the fact that they can afford, or have the credit rating, to get such a car.
I don't recall ever seeing someone leaving the invoice in an inexpensive car's window. Why advertize that you bought it if you're just reminding everyone that this is all you can afford.
There just isn't any reason that someone would leave an invoice in the window except to impress people.
Quote: GreasyjohnWe've all noticed this, when a person will purchase or lease a new car and they leave the invoice in the window for days or perhaps weeks after the acquisition.
It seems to me there is only one reason that someone would do this. It is because they are trying to impress their friends, neighbors or the public with the fact that they can afford, or have the credit rating, to get such a car.
I don't recall ever seeing someone leaving the invoice in an inexpensive car's window. Why advertize that you bought it if you're just reminding everyone that this is all you can afford.
There just isn't any reason that someone would leave an invoice in the window except to impress people.
I've never seen this in my life and would make fun of someone I knew for doing this.
IE. It's on a test ride, or the salesman's temporary personal car.
Quote: GreasyjohnWe've all noticed this, when a person will purchase or lease a new car and they leave the invoice in the window for days or perhaps weeks after the acquisition.
It seems to me there is only one reason that someone would do this. It is because they are trying to impress their friends, neighbors or the public with the fact that they can afford, or have the credit rating, to get such a car.
I don't recall ever seeing someone leaving the invoice in an inexpensive car's window. Why advertize that you bought it if you're just reminding everyone that this is all you can afford.
There just isn't any reason that someone would leave an invoice in the window except to impress people.
I work in an automobile dealership and when a car is sold, the Monroney sticker is taken down, and typically put inside the glove compartment. And unless they have different laws in your state than mine (Illinois) that sticker is not the invoice, it is the MSRP. The invoice price is something different and even below that you have holdback and stuff like that.
Quote: RomesI've never seen this in my life and would make fun of someone I knew for doing this.
I've seen it a dozen times or more. I can't recall if I've seen it lately, and maybe it's just a California or west coast thing. I don't know. I've never really asked someone why they do it; the answer is already clear to me and I don't want to watch them lie.
Quote: GreasyjohnI've seen it a dozen times or more. I can't recall if I've seen it lately, and maybe it's just a California or west coast thing. I don't know. I've never really asked someone why they do it; the answer is already clear to me and I don't want to watch them lie.
What I have to question is this. Is this a customer who you know who has purchased a car and it is like this in their driveway? What kind of plates do they have? i.e. are they dealer plates? I know some people in the business who keep the stickers on their demo as they drive them, I don't as it increases the amount of blind spots
Quote: DJTeddyBearThe next time you see it, take a look at the license plate. Most likely, they are dealer plates.
IE. It's on a test ride, or the salesman's temporary personal car.
I definitely recall that the times I've seen it, it was a neighbor and not a dealer. But that is a good point that might account for a lot of the examples.
Quote: Greasyjohn... the answer is already clear to me and I don't want to watch them lie.
Good grief.
Add on: Must be an advantage-play thing. Come to think of it, what excuse might someone give were someone trying to hide something about a sticker kept in plain sight on a car? Or, more importantly, why "ask" what you already know? I don't know, might be we're all liars in some way. And, that what's important becomes who believes the lies.
Quote: ajemeisterare you sure it's not just temorary registration? I've seen that a lot on the east coast here. Temporary registration until you go to the dmv and get proper registration and plates?
Different states have different laws. At my dealership I can issue hard plates but we do get business from Wisconsin and Indiana with some regularity and then we put on a 30 day "drive-away" plate
Quote: Gabes22I work in an automobile dealership and when a car is sold, the Monroney sticker is taken down, and typically put inside the glove compartment. And unless they have different laws in your state than mine (Illinois) that sticker is not the invoice, it is the MSRP. The invoice price is something different and even below that you have holdback and stuff like that.
Yes, you are correct. I was referring to the Monroney or MSRP.
Oftentimes, when attempting to remove the sticker, it is destroyed, rendering it useless to anybody. If somebody is going to ruin it,let it be the customer.
Secondly, consumers can arbitrarily return a vehicle within a certain period of time after purchase (rescission). If the label is destroyed, it raises all types of questions and doubts about the pedigree of the vehicle to any future customer for the same vehicle.
Quote: DRichI always assumed it was a very smart car thief. He steals a car and puts the sticker in the window so everyone assumes he bought it.
TBQH it's kind of dumb to drive around in a car with a Monroney sticker still attached. In some areas, they are used to transports large amounts of drugs since the car is not registered to anyone.
When I started in the business, the entire front of the label was covered with glue, and the only way to get it off was to soak it from behind and peel it slowly. You had to peel with one hand and scrape slowly with the othe holding a plastic razor blade. Now they come off almost too easily.
Quote: ajemeisterare you sure it's not just temorary registration? I've seen that a lot on the east coast here. Temporary registration until you go to the dmv and get proper registration and plates?
We're talking about the sticker price sheet, in a side rear window.
Temp plates are usually stuck in the back window or attached to the actual license plate screws.
Quote: RivaSecondly, consumers can arbitrarily return a vehicle within a certain period of time after purchase (rescission). If the label is destroyed, it raises all types of questions and doubts about the pedigree of the vehicle to any future customer for the same vehicle.
Where are you? I believe the only state that has recession is California, and that has some pretty severe restrictions; it is optional for the customer, who must pay $250 upfront for most cars, has a 2 day/200 mile limit, and the dealer may charge up to $500 restocking fee. (Numbers are for cars costing between $10k and $30k, ie most cars.) Source: California Car Buyer's Bill of Rights. No other state has a recission period. In Pennsylvania, the AG is very specific: once the MV1 is signed, the customer becomes an owner, and the dealership cannot take the car back even if they want to. Our RISCs are legally required to include the words, in bold face type that it the same size as the TILA disclosure, "THERE IS NO "COOLING OFF" PERIOD."
There is one exception, and that is for consumer transactions (not fleet or commercial) that are both negotiated and consummated off premises. Those fall under a different section of the UCC.
Quote: MoscaWhere are you? I believe the only state that has recession is California, and that has some pretty severe restrictions; it is optional for the customer, who must pay $250 upfront for most cars, has a 2 day/200 mile limit, and the dealer may charge up to $500 restocking fee. (Numbers are for cars costing between $10k and $30k, ie most cars.) Source: California Car Buyer's Bill of Rights. No other state has a recission period. In Pennsylvania, the AG is very specific: once the MV1 is signed, the customer becomes an owner, and the dealership cannot take the car back even if they want to. Our RISCs are legally required to include the words, in bold face type that it the same size as the TILA disclosure, "THERE IS NO "COOLING OFF" PERIOD."
There is one exception, and that is for consumer transactions (not fleet or commercial) that are both negotiated and consummated off premises. Those fall under a different section of the UCC.
That's news to me, Mosca; I thought 72 hour Lemon Laws/Change of Heart protections were pretty universal and that was why the stickers were left alone for a few days. I know it applied to a retirement condo I purchased 15 years ago, but thought cars were part of that. Good to know.
Quote: GreasyjohnThere just isn't any reason that someone would leave an invoice in the window except to impress people.
Gives the onlookers something to L.A.F. at.
Quote: Gabes22I work in an automobile dealership and when a car is sold, the Monroney sticker is taken down, and typically put inside the glove compartment. And unless they have different laws in your state than mine (Illinois) that sticker is not the invoice, it is the MSRP. The invoice price is something different and even below that you have holdback and stuff like that.
Gabes, what dealership do you work at?
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: MoscaWhere are you? I believe the only state that has recession is California, and that has some pretty severe restrictions; it is optional for the customer, who must pay $250 upfront for most cars, has a 2 day/200 mile limit, and the dealer may charge up to $500 restocking fee. (Numbers are for cars costing between $10k and $30k, ie most cars.) Source: California Car Buyer's Bill of Rights. No other state has a recission period. In Pennsylvania, the AG is very specific: once the MV1 is signed, the customer becomes an owner, and the dealership cannot take the car back even if they want to. Our RISCs are legally required to include the words, in bold face type that it the same size as the TILA disclosure, "THERE IS NO "COOLING OFF" PERIOD."
There is one exception, and that is for consumer transactions (not fleet or commercial) that are both negotiated and consummated off premises. Those fall under a different section of the UCC.
That's news to me, Mosca; I thought 72 hour Lemon Laws/Change of Heart protections were pretty universal and that was why the stickers were left alone for a few days. I know it applied to a retirement condo I purchased 15 years ago, but thought cars were part of that. Good to know.
Give it a Google, bbb. I also forgot to add that the California law is for used cars only. New car deals are final.
