dwheatley
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February 18th, 2015 at 9:34:14 AM permalink
This forum always has interesting discussions about civil liberties. Try this one on:

http://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/education-ministers-defends-respectful-strip-searches-of-students

A Quebec high school student was strip searched by school administrators looking for pot. Her request to call her mother was denied. Police were not called.

Since the search was carried out according to an established policy, including no touching, use of a screen and the searchers being female as well, the search was defended by the provincial education minister.

I feel like this might not fly in the U.S.
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rdw4potus
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February 18th, 2015 at 9:46:03 AM permalink
I was strip searched twice (on campus, but by police) during highschool. Once when I was working late in the theatre department when some chemicals were stolen from the science wing, and once when I entered immediately during/following a bomb scare. Funny thing - both times, after the search, my pocket knife and leatherman were returned to me without question. I don't think that part would go as well in 2015 as it did in 1997...
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February 18th, 2015 at 10:11:41 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I don't think that part would go as well in 2015 as it did in 1997...



Can't believe in 1997 you were not booked and processed. Even in the 1980s.

Quote: dwheatley



I feel like this might not fly in the U.S.



It would fly easy here. Too many people wanting to take and too many people wanting to give up rights. A subset would complain but be shouted down.

Heck, in CA a parent has no say if a boy wants to use the girls locker room. Just one example.
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February 18th, 2015 at 10:48:07 AM permalink
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It would fly easy here. Too many people wanting to take and too many people wanting to give up rights. A subset would complain but be shouted down.



It's not just willingness to give up rights. Moreso, I think, it's simple ignorance. People really do not know their rights. I mean, just ask the people here who have been backroomed at a casino. I know I've read stories. If they were backroomed, and they're not now sitting on six figures, chances are these people were ignorant of their rights. Traffic stops? How many of you have rolled down your window, handed over your info, and answered all questions asked of you? And of you, how many knew you didn't have to?

It's simple ignorance. Of course a high school teen is going to follow the orders of authority. I likewise wouldn't expect my own son to know to resist in the face of principal and possible police presence. But dad sure does. And hell would be paid, in full.
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rdw4potus
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February 18th, 2015 at 10:56:42 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Can't believe in 1997 you were not booked and processed. Even in the 1980s.



I think I benefited from circumstances in a couple ways. 1. benefit of growing up in a small town. Knives are tools, damnit! 2. when there's an urgent search for chemicals and/or bombs, nobody has the time/interest/capacity to deal with the kid who "just" has a sharp tool in his pocket.
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February 18th, 2015 at 11:09:48 AM permalink
A 15 year old girl. It doesn't say, but I hope it was the school nurse who stood by and not some perv. I don't care if it was behind a blanket. It was wrong and I hope she sues the pants off them. See what I did there? :-)
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February 18th, 2015 at 11:11:50 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

It would fly easy here. Too many people wanting to take and too many people wanting to give up rights. A subset would complain but be shouted down.

Heck, in CA a parent has no say if a boy wants to use the girls locker room. Just one example.


Based on Safford Unified School District #1 v. Redding, a school can conduct a strip search if there is "sufficient suspicion to warrant" it.

As for boys in the girls' locker room, here is what Section 225.1(f) of California's Education Code now says:

"A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupilís records."

In other words...yes. In fact, the California Interscholastic Federation (the organization that oversees the state's high school sports) has already established an appeal process for, e.g., "boys who identify as girls" who want to play on a girls' team, or in a sport such as softball that is normally open only to girls.
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February 18th, 2015 at 11:23:49 AM permalink
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Knives are tools, damnit!


I had a friend in college who scientifically proved beyond all doubt that pocket knives are tools, not weapons!

He owned a Craftsman pocket knife and it broke. Sears' policy is (at least it was -- I assume it still is) that they will replace any broken Craftsman hand tools for free. He took it back to Sears and they replaced it free of charge. Therefore, we must conclude that a pocket knife is, indeed, a tool!
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February 18th, 2015 at 11:51:35 AM permalink
It's Ok as long as it's done respectfully. That's nuts. It's like saying it's Ok to chop of peoples heads if done neatly so you don't make to big a mess.
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February 18th, 2015 at 11:53:04 AM permalink
Weed? Are they kidding? My kid would never again darken the door of that evil place.

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