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VCUSkyhawk
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August 24th, 2014 at 6:54:40 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

What is a nice way to call someone a Dumb MF, or a chink, or a kike ?



Buzz, do you see how in the first scenario that you modified the word, adding to the context. I will at times nicely at times say to a friend "What's up MF". You modified the word.

I do not have a thought on the other two. However, as somebody previously stated, I don't see fist fights breaking out when two black folks call each other N-----. They understand context, you do not. It is fine, no need to further argue the point when you don't understand the issue.
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VCUSkyhawk
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August 24th, 2014 at 7:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

What is a nice way to call someone a Dumb MF, or a chink, or a kike ?



And another thing, why is chink and kike ok unfiltered, but N----- is not?
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August 24th, 2014 at 8:38:54 PM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

And another thing, why is chink and kike ok unfiltered, but N----- is not?



Actually, they're not ok; I'm trying to give you guys a little room to discuss this in the abstract. You brought George Carlin in; I'm going to add to that what Whoopi Goldberg said, which is very similar to your point.

(Paraphrasing) These words have power just because they are taboo, and derogatory towards a group of people. The only way to take the sting out is to use them, especially those of that group, as a non-code-word reference. The offense is not in the word; it's in the reasons a person uses them. The words are just indications of a person's values and upbringing.

Or better yet, just don't use them. Don't acknowledge and thereby legitimize the hatred and condescension of the person who does, unless and until the underlying meaning has been neutralized. My answer to Buzz would be, "Yeah, that's me. Your point is?"

But on this board, where the intent of the owner is professional discussion of gaming, there is barely a legitimate use for any of them (occasional demographics discussions, carefully phrased), and he simply doesn't want them on here. Any more than you would use them in the workplace, in church, or for attribution (if you had to use your real name and identifiable info to post on here).
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August 24th, 2014 at 10:30:05 PM permalink
I am done. Move this to DT Just found out the owner of the Washington team is on a first name basis with all Native Americans.
But his rabbi wants to rename the team the K**** and the cheerleaders the Jewish B******

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August 25th, 2014 at 2:38:40 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Well, then it should be ok for them to call you a MF by that logic.



I don't get it? My friends and me don't call each other MF.
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:29:52 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

......I work for a TRIBE and have a lot of contact with other tribal members and I'm pretty sure almost all of them would have a problem if I said good morning red skin.

ZCore13



I think that you just solved the problem of what the Washington team should change their name to.

They should now be called the Washington TRIBE.
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:43:32 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus


They should now be called the Washington TRIBE.

I still think they'll be offended by the "Washington" part. Maybe move the Redskins back to Boston and rename them the Boston Tribe? Wait, Boston already has a football team. Nevermind, just drop the city from the name.
NowTheSerpent
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August 29th, 2014 at 9:39:18 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I've been thinking the same thing for weeks. Nothing wrong with potatoes but it could get messy. Next thing they know some potatoe company sues them maybe for damaging their tater business or something stupid.



Or if they ever get "mashed" in a Super "Bowl"!
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August 29th, 2014 at 10:54:07 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Don't acknowledge and thereby legitimize the hatred and condescension of the person who [uses racist epithets], unless and until the underlying meaning has been neutralized.



How do you explain the use, for example, of the word "nigger" between two African-American men when greeting each other in terms of "hatred" or interracial "condescension"? Or is that an example of what you might call "neutralized" usage?

Quote: beachbumbabs

But on this board, where the intent of the owner is professional discussion of gaming....



Then why are there "Spanish Word of the Day" and "Hot Blonde of the Day" features?

Quote: beachbumbabs

...occasional demographics discussions, carefully phrased....



Does "careful phrasing" and merely "discussing demographically" (i.e., "just sayin'") make racial epithets alright?

Quote: beachbumbabs

Any more than you would use them in the workplace....



Depends where you work and especially on what level or in what context such usage might take place, although more and more, the aforementioned "N-bomb" is actually used in a non-ethnic way as a pronoun or substitute for "guy" or "thing", especially a lost object: "Damn it, I know I put that nigger (e.g. black-handled phone, scissors, etc.) round here somewhere." More and more, the racial (not racist) term used among, as well as referring to, black men is ninjas, especially in lyric. This raises the question of whether it's legitimate, in society in general, to bark about "racist" language when new replacements, made out of once-friendly words, are being coined all the time.

Having said all that, I come here, as you said, to discuss gaming, especially development and math, with like-minded individuals of high-caliber intellect, wit, and composition skills comparable to my own, any one of whom could be a kraut, like myself.

Just sayin'.
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August 30th, 2014 at 9:26:44 AM permalink
I was talking about what Whoopi (and Carlin) said, so any interpretation I might make is second-hand, but yes, I think their point was to neutralize the language by using it among themselves, and eventually everyone. Labels are a tough thing, semantically; look at the evolution of such words as "gay", "retarded", lots of others over the last 200 years or less. "Gay" 100 years ago meant happy and carefree. "Retarded" was factual to mean slow or mentally impaired, without bias, as recently as 30 years ago.

Those threads date back years, though there's no "Hot Blonde of the Day". Both, in part, led to the creation of the Diversity Tomorrow site, some 2 years after this site was opened, when Mike wanted to move some of the more volatile and off-topic conversations away from this forum.

No, "just sayin'" and the like doesn't particularly excuse unacceptable language. It's more the context of the discussion and the intent of the poster. And it's not something that can be stated in absolutes.

Since you're approaching your 3rd anniversary here, I doubt any of that is news to you. And it's my take on how the site is to be administered. Other mods may have a different POV. I also come here to discuss and learn about gaming, so I'm going back to that; I think we've gotten as far as we might productively on this topic.
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