Is spellcheck ruining people
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But, I used to remember everyone's phone number. Now when I lose my cell phone(since I'm to lazy to back it up) I'm FK'ed. I don't even know my GF's number and it took me 6 months to remember my own.
I don't have automatic spell correction turned on anywhere - I strongly dislike it. I do like the automatic detection, though.
I don't think it is ruining people, though. If you have automatic detection turned on and still send things out with words misspelled, you're being lazy and/or apathetic.
I could care less if I misspell on a forum but I'm sure to check myself in all my work related correspondence.
Quote: RaleighCrapsbut have recently pushed hire on a burst of buying interest
The hire/higher thing is a running joke at my private poker forum due to one member getting it wrong awhile back. This might be the first time outside I've seen someone else unintentionally screw it up.
Quote: AxelWolfBut, I used to remember everyone's phone number. Now when I lose my cell phone(since I'm to lazy to back it up) I'm FK'ed. I don't even know my GF's number and it took me 6 months to remember my own.
I don't know what my cell number is. I don't know what anyone's cell number is. I know my home phone number and my office number, and that only because I call them often.
On the one hand I don't see anything wrong with that. In preliterate societies people were expected to memorize whole books, like the Illiad and Oddyssey. Obviously being able to read a book is more convenient. So what's wrong with some other type of memorization done away with? Do you know the addresses of many websites?
On the other hand, I flash back to a novel set in Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation universe, called "Caliban." It's about the over-reliance on robot labor. At one point a minor character proudly asserts "I don't know my own adress or how to get there!"
Quote: TerribleTomI blame the calculators.
I was gonna say something similar.
Calculators have ruined us for math.
Cash registers that display the change have taken away people's ability to do simple subtraction.
And spell check has made everyone lazy and look like an idiot.
But at least nobody lets their GPS direct them into a lake or something...
Quote: AxelWolfNot sure about spell check.
But, I used to remember everyone's phone number. Now when I lose my cell phone(since I'm to lazy to back it up) I'm FK'ed. I don't even know my GF's number and it took me 6 months to remember my own.
Now when they book you in jail, they will give you a pencil and a piece of paper to write down the phone numbers before confiscating your cell phone.
The casino EXPERTS in upper level management of same, reminds me of management in AT@T. Buzz, your crazy. People will always have a land line in their homes. And table games are growing. YEAH RIGHT.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
But at least nobody lets their GPS direct them into a lake or something...
It may have happened once...lol
I have let my GPS drive me through the ghetto a few times though. :-\
I was being tongue-in-cheek.Quote: tringlomaneIt may have happened once...lolQuote: DJTeddyBear[/qBut at least nobody lets their GPS direct them into a lake or something...
I have let my GPS drive me through the ghetto a few times though. :-\
It's happened more than once. Almost as often as people who use spell check send out letters with typos.
It got so bad after a while that we would make fun of them to their faces and they wouldn't understand what we meant......not my proudest moments :)
As for the OP question, I actually find it helps me as I would use WORD to type random tough words that I cannot spell and see if I can get them right or if they give me a red or green squiggly line. It has tought me a lot :)
In Excel, though, it corrects me automatically, that is it changes what I type for somethign else, even though that function is disabled. There's this brand for a fruit drink called "Bida." Excel insists it should be "Vida," and I can't get it to leave that word alone. IT's baffled by this, too (of course, the number of things IT can't resolve lately is astounding). I wind up spelling it "B ida."
I recall they had one of those at an educational institution fifty years ago. That device was named "Mrs. Retzlaff." And she always had a wooden ruler in her hand, which was never used to measure anything.Quote: rxwineWell, someone could design an app to force you out of bad non-spelling habits. You know, refuse or delay giving you a spell check when it notices you keep misspelling the same word.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxDA9VsQG4
Quote: RaleighCrapsnot when it comes to professionals who are getting paid to publish words.
Drives me up a wall too, but the underlying issue here is the editorial staff. Either they have cut back and let the writers do their own proof reading (how do you think that would work out?) or the editors themselves have slipped in capability compared to the higher standards of the past. They rely on spell check but it is really grammar/usage that is most abused. Worst are the online news portals where nearly every article has spelling or usage errors. Hurts the eyes to read some of this garbage. I have noticed the alarming trend for many years and attribute it to erosion of quality of education.
As bad as the hit is on the image of the organizations that put this stuff out, what really slays me are the otherwise glitzy advertising pieces historically sent via snail mail but in modern times emailed. I can recall numerous cases of butchering the English language being mass-broadcast. Back in the day I'd send them to the President of my company with the comment, "Do you think I'd buy anything from someone who can't even get their advertising right?" and we'd have a good laugh.
Screwing up the advertising is bad enough.Quote: chickenmanBack in the day I'd send them to the President of my company with the comment, "Do you think I'd buy anything from someone who can't even get their advertising right?" and we'd have a good laugh.
There is a restaurant near me that got the name wrong!
The menus says "Mount Ivy Diner". For years, the big sign outside said "Mont Ivy Diner". It finally got fixed.
Quote: DJTeddyBearThe menus says "Mount Ivy Diner". For years, the big sign outside said "Mont Ivy Diner". It finally got fixed.
Which one?
Quote: chickenmanThey rely on spell check but it is really grammar/usage that is most abused.
Doesn't Word check gramamr, too?
Another thing that's really bad is the misuse of apostrophes. Hint: a plural word does not need a possesive apostrophe. That is to say the plurals of casino is casinos not casino's.
Worse yet is the notion that your, you're, and yore all mean the same thing.
Anecdotal and non-scientific admittedly, but I attribute much to the significant downgrade of educational standards/requirements as observed in the results. Prior generations would seldom if ever make numerous rudimentary mistakes in usage.
Word makes basic grammar checks and alerts with the squiggly blue line. Very basic. The "hire" versus "higher" example points out lack of proof reading and probably also the writer may not even know the correct selection.
Don't get me started on this!!
Quote: chickenmanGood ones. There, their, they're. Its, it's. The list goes on.
Anecdotal and non-scientific admittedly, but I attribute much to the significant downgrade of educational standards/requirements as observed in the results. Prior generations would seldom if ever make numerous rudimentary mistakes in usage.
Word makes basic grammar checks and alerts with the squiggly blue line. Very basic. The "hire" versus "higher" example points out lack of proof reading and probably also the writer may not even know the correct selection.
Don't get me started on this!!
I refuse to text speak, no matter how much "time it saves". Occasionally when writing here I may use a "yer" instead of "you're" or a "cuz" instead of "because", but only when in a "fun" thread, which I use to emphasize the laid back manner which is influencing the particular post.
Text, blog, forum, doesn't matter. I have to write, preview, proofread, and it has to be proper. You are what you repeatedly do, and I'd rather be too proper a texter than too casual a business report writer.
Quote: chickenmanGood ones. There, their, they're. Its, it's. The list goes on.
Oh, the it's vs its gives me fits. Granted the distinction is a bit subtle, but still it's no excuse even if Word doens't include this in its grammar check (really, it's that simple).
I found learning some simple rules of English really hard. Simply using the apostrophe in the possesive sense was a major chore (Spanish doens't use the apostrophe at all). What I did was read a great deal and pay attention and take notice of how things were written. Mostly I read books, mostly SF, but later I added news and science magazines.
Next, I suppose, comes the annoying habit of using the wrong word in a sentence. Things like saying "for all intensive purposes" rather than "for all intents and purposes." Or "statue of limitations" rahter than "statute of limitations." What the hell is an intensive purpose anyway? :) I do know what an intent and a purpose are.
I have given up on the word "literally" ever being used in its literal meaning again by 99.9999999% of all English speakers. It's dead, Jim!
Yes, once a term becomes mis-used by literally everyone it becomes "accepted" usage in all but properly edited writing. ;-)Quote: Nareed
I have given up on the word "literally" ever being used in its literal meaning again
Edit to add smiley
Quote: chickenmanYes, once a term becomes mis-used by literally everyone it becomes "accepted" usage in all but properly edited writing. ;-)
It's gotten so bad even educated people don't understand when I say "figuratively."
Quote:Edit to add smiley
Oh, then you meant to say ;)
Quote: FaceI refuse to text speak, no matter how much "time it saves".
For the most part I do as well.
I understood it when phones used keypads with the letters bunched up in threes or four, but not now with nearly every phone having a keyboard and auto-complete functions.
And that's for phone text messages. Posted on a board when using a PC keyboard, it's always unseemly.
Quote: NareedIt's gotten so bad even educated people don't understand when I say "figuratively."
Try "virtually" :-)
Quote: Nareed
Oh, then you meant to say ;)
Yes, figured not everyone would get it...
Quote: chickenmanTry "virtually" :-)
I'd have never thought of that in literally a million years.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/
Quote: DJTeddyBearScrewing up the advertising is bad enough.
There is a restaurant near me that got the name wrong!
The menus says "Mount Ivy Diner". For years, the big sign outside said "Mont Ivy Diner". It finally got fixed.
Guess it's a good thing there's nobody named Ivy Diner in your town. :0
Was it a French restaurant?
Probably not in Mosca's area. A little north the restaurants were heavily skewed towards Italian (and a mighty damn good Italian too. I miss it). Can't remember what Wilkes Barre was like for nationalities...
Quote: beachbumbabsGuess it's a good thing there's nobody named Ivy Diner in your town. :0
That's funny, guffawed heartily.
Quote: NareedI have given up on the word "literally" ever being used in its literal meaning again by 99.9999999% of all English speakers. It's dead, Jim!
I think I've mentioned this around here before ....
There was a professor of literature who began his lecture on Dante's Inferno with, "Today, class, we are going to hell. Well, ... literally."
The dictionary app on my phone has the following entry (without the boldface):
Quote: Merriam-Webster Dictionary Android applit·er·al·ly
\ˈli-tə-rə-lē, ˈli-trə-lē, ˈli-tər-lē\
adverb
1 : in a literal sense or manner : actually <took the remark literally> <was literally insane>
2 : in effect : virtually <will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice —Norman Cousins>
Origin: (see literal).
First use: 1533
Usage: Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposite of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.
Quote: NareedDoesn't Word check gramamr, too?
Another thing that's really bad is the misuse of apostrophes. Hint: a plural word does not need a possesive apostrophe. That is to say the plurals of casino is casinos not casino's.
Hey.....I had always thought that plurals that are possessive would have the apostrophe after the "s"? For example, casinos'.
Quote: DocI think I've mentioned this around here before ....
There was a professor of literature who began his lecture on Dante's Inferno with, "Today, class, we are going to hell. Well, ... literally."
Too bad a professor, of literature no less, missed the chance of saying "Today, class, we are going to hell. Well, ... literarily."
Quote: steeldcoQuote: NareedDoesn't Word check gramamr, too?
Another thing that's really bad is the misuse of apostrophes. Hint: a plural word does not need a possesive apostrophe. That is to say the plurals of casino is casinos not casino's.
Hey.....I had always thought that plurals that are possessive would have the apostrophe after the "s"? For example, casinos'.
Per the dictionary:
"When making plural possessive nouns, add only an apostrophe if the noun ends with an “s”, like buses’ and countries’."
Quote: NareedToo bad a professor, of literature no less, missed the chance of saying "Today, class, we are going to hell. Well, ... literarily."
His use of "literally" was, of course, a pun.
Quote: DrawingDeadIt really should be perfectly legal to take a baseball bat to aisles of products with dunce-cutesy labels, such as "lite." Before marching the responsible marketing clown to the guillotine, for crimes against civilization involving weapons of mass de-construction.
Lol...I do, in fact, avoid shopping at places like "Kwikee" anything, or buying things with deliberate misspellings. "Lite". "Quik". "Drano" (with the long accent over the "a" on the label; how ironic). Hundreds of others. Bleah. I don't mind consolidated words, like "Costco", but the other is just annoying.
"Kidz" is child abuse. And sometimes the "K" fetish gets downright creepy. As in Kountry Kitchen. Makes me wonder if they're also misusing bed sheets as evening apparel in their spare time, if you follow my meaning.Quote: beachbumbabsLol...I do, in fact, avoid shopping at places like "Kwikee" anything, or buying things with deliberate misspellings. "Lite". "Quik". "Drano" (with the long accent over the "a" on the label; how ironic). Hundreds of others. Bleah. I don't mind consolidated words, like "Costco", but the other is just annoying.
But I once saw a florist selling a "Bookay" for Mother's Day.
Hokay.*Quote: DJTeddyBearI don't mind if a florist sells a Halloween "Bookay".
But I once saw a florist selling a "Bookay" for Mother's Day.
*And if you've ever been in Las Vegas for Halloween, you'll know what I mean.
