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July 1st, 2014 at 12:48:50 PM permalink
Beware of pirate coffee!

It turns out Keurig's patent on the cups used for its coffeemakers ahs expired. Ergo everyone who wants to can produce them now without paying Keurig a cent in licensing fees and/or royalties.

The jig is up, right? Keurig's model is to sell coffee machines cheap and the cups for a (relative) high price, just like inkjet and laser printer makers do. With the twist of collecting fees from willing partners, of course.

Maybe not. The next generation of Keurig coffemakers will incorporate a system that will only allow authorized Keurig cups to be brewed. The system will use a code stamped on the foil top of all cups using a special type of ink (from what I've read it's similar to the color-shifting ink used in anti-counterfeiting measures in paper money).

About the business model, Keurig-approved coffee can cost as much as $50 US per pound. That's a lot. Currently the packaged supermarket coffe I get for the office costs me about $7.50 US per pound. The difference is a Keurig cup is guaranteed to be fresh, while my cheaper coffee undergoes oxidation in the 3-4 weeks it takes to use up. Also brewing just one cup is much simpler; no need to calculate scoops and mililiters (or 1/32s of a gallon or whatever other irrational unit the Imperial system uses).

Honestly I can taste no difference between the first and last cups from a single bag of coffee, but I'll buy the notion of brewing the one cup. Also I can tell the difference between freshly brewed coffee and a cup that has been lying around very warm in the carafe for hours. So, yes, brewing one cup at a time is a big plus, or can be.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 10:31:41 AM permalink
I think it's sad kids today find it hard to buy firecrackers

In my day it was inexhaustible fun. Dad would take us to an old rock quarry; a lot of natural stuff plus old bottles and cans etc too to blow up and shoot bottle rockets out of. We would untwist the firecrackers and set them off one by one.

Every once in a while around the 4th you'd hear someone set off a whole string. That was the phenomenally rich guy's son somewhere. The rest of us knew our fireworks would be gone.

Worrywart mothers would say you'd blow your fingers off or ruin your hearing. But I had them go off in my fingers and right by my ear without problem* [we'd throw them, a lesson in what "short fuse" meant]. If you got your hands on a cherry bomb, you knew better. The older kids would never let a young kid have a cherry bomb or roman candle in those days.

*it did hurt
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July 2nd, 2014 at 11:07:16 AM permalink
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I think it's sad kids today find it hard to buy firecrackers

In my day it was inexhaustible fun. Dad would take us to an old rock quarry; a lot of natural stuff plus old bottles and cans etc too to blow up and shoot bottle rockets out of. We would untwist the firecrackers and set them off one by one.

Every once in a while around the 4th you'd hear someone set off a whole string. That was the phenomenally rich guy's son somewhere. The rest of us knew our fireworks would be gone.

Worrywart mothers would say you'd blow your fingers off or ruin your hearing. But I had them go off in my fingers and right by my ear without problem* [we'd throw them, a lesson in what "short fuse" meant]. If you got your hands on a cherry bomb, you knew better. The older kids would never let a young kid have a cherry bomb or roman candle in those days.

*it did hurt



I have 2 fireworks stories from when I was a kid.

1. I had packs of the 10 or 12 firecrackers. I lit one and was holding it and the wic appeared to go out. Well apparently it was lit on the bottom side or inside and it went off in my hands. It scared the hell out of me and hurt a little but I was fine.

2. I had a "huge" box of fireworks. It was in a snow boot box if I recall correctly. Well me and a friend used to pull the wicks out of the firecrackers and just light those and hold on to them till the very end and then let go. When the fire got to the end of the wick it would make a poof noise and a little fireball. It was lots of fun. My parent’s both worked nights so I was home alone. I was maybe 13 at the time. So anyways, here we are doing this in my parent’s house. My buddy lets one go to early and yep you guessed it. It went right into the box. We hightail it out of there and watch from the door as spinners, firecrackers, snakes, bottle rockets, and everything else went off. Somehow the box did not catch on fire. There were marks all over the walls, the top of the carpet was singed and it smelled like sulfur. We both spent the next 5 or 6 hours cleaning and trimming the top of the carpet with scissors to get the black marks out. Luckily this was in 91 or and my parents still had shag carpet so it was easy to hide. They never did find out what went on that night. At least they never told me they did.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 11:16:51 AM permalink
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Worrywart mothers would say you'd blow your fingers off or ruin your hearing.

Worry wart mothers will always be a problem; now worry wart politicians are even worse of a nuisance. You can buy fireworks all over the place but can't transport any on a bus. Illegal to set them off but the cops don't much care to do anything about it.

One game warden used to carry several cherry bombs with him. When he was standing on a culvert he realized someone was inside hiding from him. He dropped an unlit cherry bomb off the roadway onto the area in front of the culvert. Then he announced that the next one he threw down would be lit. The man inside, knowing what the echoes would do to his hearing, came out peacefully. Nowadays, the warden would call for a full SWAT response.

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July 2nd, 2014 at 11:51:31 AM permalink
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I've been on Holland America 3 times, and my guess is that the demographic is the 60+ crowd that predominates there; The first time, in my 30's, I was easily the youngest person on board.

Re: NCL cruises given by the casino (for Mooseton). I highly recommend you give this a try. You are, in some ways, captive to the boat, but you honestly never have to spend another dime once on board. The extras are shore excursions (though it costs you nothing to get off the boat and walk around the port, anywhere I've been), alcoholic drinks, carbonated drinks, bottled water, gambling, spa use (the pool is always free, the exercise deck is free, the gym might be free or cost), certain specialty restaurants (you always have at least 1 dining option included, usually 3-4; the main dining room, and the poolside Lido restaurant are always included); other restaurants have a nominal fee of 10-30/person for anything on the menu, all you can eat. Activities that cost money include gambling, bingo, art auctions (if you buy something; free to attend), shopping on board, wifi/internet time. Most group activities are free to anyone who shows up; dancing, parties, lectures, games, contests, the like- several of those a day. Shows are mixed; headliners have a surcharge (significantly less than you'd pay for those same shows on shore), but there are free shows, live music, other entertainments every day. Sometimes you have to make a reservation for a free show, because they're sometimes in smaller venues, and they ensure that all their guests can attend at least once.

You are not allowed to bring any alcohol on board, and they do check your luggage and xray your packages to make sure. If you buy alcohol in a port, it's kept in the ship's locker until you disembark. However, you are allowed to bring carbonated beverages and bottled water on; I always bring a case of each, because it makes me crazy to pay ship's prices for either. They also sell alcohol and carbonated bev cards for one flat fee; a good price if you drink more than 1/day, or aren't going to gamble enough to earn a free drink card (takes a day or two at most levels of play).

So, anyway, I would guess that more than 70% of what you want to do on board is included in the comp. No mandatory meetings beyond the lifeboat drill; no trick sales-traps.



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July 2nd, 2014 at 12:09:53 PM permalink
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I had a "huge" box of fireworks... and yep you guessed it.



I had this happen thanks to my friend. He was the kind of kid whose mother never let him do anything, so thinking about it now I don't think his mother knew we were doing fireworks out in the sticks. He made some rookie move and I couldnt stop him in time and my whole box went up. Huge but slowly, around dusk. An observer 13 miles away would have only seen an orange glow on the horizon. [g]

we weren't inside the house though!
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July 2nd, 2014 at 12:16:37 PM permalink
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I think it's sad kids today find it hard to buy firecrackers



I had one of those black cat fireworks go off in my hand. Felt like I hit it and every finger with a hammer. For maybe a minute, that is. Then back to the fun.

Use to love setting them off in a culvert or in someone's muffler or under someone's shoe. The 4th was something we always looked forward to because we got to blow stuff up. Now it's just "meh".

Some of the fam still goes to PA and brings them back home. We had a good thing going with all sorts of mortar types. Not as big as professional, but good enough for a self made show. But someone gave them to the idiot of the family, and this ass hat stuffs the round in the tube without unwinding the wick. Literally crams it in there with force. Idiot.

So we're sitting in a circle, a giant circle of fireworks with the mortars in the middle. When his jammed up mortar goes off, it has just enough force to get it out of the tube. Instead of the deep "THUMP" as it shoots off and out, it just goes "prpt" and rolls out into the middle of our circle.

We don't even give him poppers or snappers anymore.



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July 2nd, 2014 at 12:48:36 PM permalink
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I had one of those black cat fireworks go off in my hand. Felt like I hit it and every finger with a hammer. For maybe a minute, that is. Then back to the fun.


Me too! I was probably about 9 or 10, and we were lighting individual crackers and throwing them up in the air. The thing was, you have to wait until the fuse burns down a ways to time it so they would explode in mid-air. Well, this particular 4th, it was rainy, and I learned the valuable lesson that a wet fuse burns very erratically. When I lit it, the fuse at first just smoldered. Then, once it caught, it burned twice as fast as normal! I tried to throw it, but it was too late. My throwing motion took my hand past my head, and when it did, that sucker went off right in my ear!

I ended up with a few burns/blisters on my thumb & forefinger, and my ear rang for 2 days. But after I got over the initial shock, I was back blowin' stuff up!

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We don't even give him poppers or snappers anymore.


On another 4th a few years earlier, I discovered that you can bite these, and they will go off in your mouth! I was a very stupid curious kid growing up.

I'm not sure if the "anything that flies or goes 'bang' is illegal" laws are still on the books/enforced here in FL, but the last time I purchased fireworks here -- probably 25 years ago -- you couldn't buy "the good stuff," unless you signed a piece of paper stating that you would only use them for "agricultural purposes" or some such nonsense. It didn't matter much, though. We would always stock up when our family vacations ventured into TN or SC!
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July 2nd, 2014 at 1:07:18 PM permalink
When I was a teen my friends and I experimented making "chemical bombs."

One summer night, while eating dinner, two buddies came to visit, and while they waited outside I heard a loud explosion, followed by screaming.

Nicky D, a friend, had a chemical bomb explode in the pocket of his army jacket.

Off to the hospital he went.

That was the end of chemical bombs: we switched to BB gun wars.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 1:36:28 PM permalink
Around here, the best state to get fireworks in is [or was?] South Carolina; there is still a little commercial area at the border with big billboards etc advertising the fact, but I never found out what it would be you could get there.

When I was growing up I think all the states had pretty good stuff.

Cherry bombs seemed to come from Mexico. Back in the day, someone going there smuggled back switchblade knives and cherry bombs, not drugs.
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July 2nd, 2014 at 1:47:21 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

When I was a teen my friends and I experimented making "chemical bombs."

One summer night, while eating dinner, two buddies came to visit, and while they waited outside I heard a loud explosion, followed by screaming.

Nicky D, a friend, had a chemical bomb explode in the pocket of his army jacket.

Off to the hospital he went.

That was the end of chemical bombs: we switched to BB gun wars.


my favorite was roman candles war

we only did a chemical bomb once and iirc it was foil and drano into a coke bottle, shake it and throw.

Did anyone else use hair spray to cover their arm and then light it, or was that just me?
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July 2nd, 2014 at 3:13:11 PM permalink
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I'm not sure if the "anything that flies or goes 'bang' is illegal" laws are still on the books/enforced here in FL...



Everything is illegal here in the People's Republic. Last time I had fireworks was '09. Very hammered, with a bunch of Sheriffs. They were lighting them off in downtown Lake Placid. Like, down town. Weren't no bottle rockets, either, they were wide as two fingers and as long as your forearm. Didn't take long for 5-0 to arrive, and the ol' "I'm on the job" routine got us all off. God, I hate those guys ;)

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When I was a teen my friends and I experimented making "chemical bombs."



Bead form pool shock and DOT 3 brake fluid. Mix and run. In a glass beer bottle, it makes a hell of a rocket. Don't breath it in!
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July 2nd, 2014 at 3:30:56 PM permalink
I liked flying a rubber-band plane and shooting off model rockets. I can still see my poor balsa wood Shuttle Enterprise make a perfect parachute landing down a deep, deep ravine with a little (sewage) creek running at the bottom. My only consolation is that it flew under its own power at least once, as opposed to the real Shuttle Enterprise.
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July 7th, 2014 at 12:35:05 PM permalink
I never made explosives but I loved making smoke bombs.

Just mix white sugar and Saltpeter together and melt over a low heat. Once melted remove from heat and pour into a container, we usually used half a soda can. Put a wooden match in as a wick and let dry.

A half of soda can will smoke out a whole city block with beautiful white smoke.
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July 7th, 2014 at 12:38:33 PM permalink
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I never made explosives but I loved making smoke bombs.

Just mix white sugar and Saltpeter together and melt over a low heat. Once melted remove from heat and pour into a container, we usually used half a soda can. Put a wooden match in as a wick and let dry.

A half of soda can will smoke out a whole city block with beautiful white smoke.



can you get the smoke different colors?
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July 7th, 2014 at 2:16:22 PM permalink
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can you get the smoke different colors?



You'd need additives for that. That is, substances which will give off colored smoke and will burn in the same way as the mix. I dout whether putting in food coloring would work.
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July 7th, 2014 at 2:21:40 PM permalink
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can you get the smoke different colors?



I never tried it but according to this you can.

www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Colored-Smoke-Bomb
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July 7th, 2014 at 2:21:50 PM permalink
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You'd need additives for that. That is, substances which will give off colored smoke and will burn in the same way as the mix. I dout whether putting in food coloring would work.



Yeah I guess I should have phrased that differently. I actually meant would food coloring change the color.
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July 7th, 2014 at 2:28:07 PM permalink
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Yeah I guess I should have phrased that differently. I actually meant would food coloring change the color.



Well, the recipe posted calls for a powdered dye, so I was more wrong than you were.

I know fireworks get their color from additives such as metal or metal-oxide powders. I expceted anything which burns to require something like that.
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July 7th, 2014 at 2:40:55 PM permalink
A bit out of my area, but ...

the metallic additives can change the color or temperature of the flame or even the thrust of a rocket propellant. I doubt that it has much effect on the color of the exhaust smoke away from the flame. I think you would want particulate or gaseous colors mixed in the exhaust, which calls for the dyes.
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July 7th, 2014 at 3:11:45 PM permalink
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A bit out of my area, but ...

the metallic additives can change the color or temperature of the flame or even the thrust of a rocket propellant.



Absolutely.

As I understand fireworks, the additives are placed in the "warhead" (so to speak), the actual explosive part which produces the cloud- and star-burst.

Some are launched in rockets and others through mortars. That's why you see some ascend and burst, and also things just bursting in the air without warning.

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I think you would want particulate or gaseous colors mixed in the exhaust, which calls for the dyes.



Maybe. I was going to suggest googling for whatever military pilots use for being found in rescue operations.
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July 7th, 2014 at 4:12:38 PM permalink
For awhile I enjoyed shooting out street lights with my sling shot.

Burning ants with a magnifying glass was pretty cool, too.

We made UFOs that caused a ruckus, using dry cleaner bags, thin cardboard strips and birthday candles.

Maybe soon I'll take up cat burning .
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July 7th, 2014 at 4:21:12 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Absolutely.

As I understand fireworks, the additives are placed in the "warhead" (so to speak), the actual explosive part which produces the cloud- and star-burst.

Some are launched in rockets and others through mortars. That's why you see some ascend and burst, and also things just bursting in the air without warning.



Maybe. I was going to suggest googling for whatever military pilots use for being found in rescue operations.



Airshow aircraft use pigments mixed into mineral oil to make smoke (mineral oil and oil of wintergreen are used for fogging stages and concerts) except for jet aircraft, the pigment is mixed with diesel fuel so it burns in the engine. These guys make their own colored smoke grenades; they might be able to sell you pigments of the right type and granularity.
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July 7th, 2014 at 7:30:39 PM permalink
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For awhile I enjoyed shooting out street lights with my sling shot.

Burning ants with a magnifying glass was pretty cool, too.

We made UFOs that caused a ruckus, using dry cleaner bags, thin cardboard strips and birthday candles.

Maybe soon I'll take up cat burning .



did anyone else steal hood ornaments as a kid?

Do hood ornaments even exist anymore, other than jag I can not think of one?
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July 7th, 2014 at 7:34:04 PM permalink
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July 7th, 2014 at 7:46:42 PM permalink
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Do hood ornaments even exist anymore, other than jag I can not think of one?



Yes, but it is designed to be theft proof.

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July 7th, 2014 at 7:48:46 PM permalink
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Do hood ornaments even exist anymore, other than jag I can not think of one?



Mercedes S class. Most other Mercedes these days have the logo in the grille.
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July 7th, 2014 at 7:54:24 PM permalink
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When I was a teen my friends and I experimented making "chemical bombs."



12 inch lengths of copper pipe filled with powdered model rocket engines or match heads. Just tuck a (long) fuse in one end and fold both ends with pliers. Made a big bang, especially inside a newspaper honor box.
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July 7th, 2014 at 8:10:47 PM permalink
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Yes, but it is designed to be theft proof.

Rolls Royce


RR picks some weird names for a luxury car. a "friend" of mine owns a Ghost and your link is Phantom.
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July 7th, 2014 at 8:18:40 PM permalink
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RR picks some weird names for a luxury car. a "friend" of mine owns a Ghost and your link is Phantom.



Probably based on the number you actually see of any of these things.
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July 7th, 2014 at 9:05:12 PM permalink
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12 inch lengths of copper pipe filled with powdered model rocket engines or match heads. Just tuck a (long) fuse in one end and fold both ends with pliers. Made a big bang, especially inside a newspaper honor box.

i'm pretty sure I have an FBI file now just for reading this thread.
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July 8th, 2014 at 2:14:10 PM permalink
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i'm pretty sure I have an FBI file now just for reading this thread.



Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it. That was waaay back when I was a wee lad of 15. I got scared after the mastermind of our operation, as it was, decided to blow up a locker during the school day. I didn't believe he would do it, but I heard the bang one afternoon and started spending less time with him after that. Even then, I kinda knew where the line was even if I didn't always stay on the right side of it. I hadn't thought about it for a while, but the above discussion tweaked my memory.
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July 9th, 2014 at 6:38:01 PM permalink
I gotta give it to music performers for the amount of cardio they put into a set. We were watching the I heart Radio pool party and J LO sang a handful of songs. At the end she was pouring sweat and she didn't even sound winded. She was moving around and dancing the entire time. craziness I tell ya.
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July 9th, 2014 at 7:12:59 PM permalink
hahahahahahahahahaha

http://totalfratmove.com/white-sox-give-away-white-ponchos-inadvertently-turn-stadium-into-a-klan-rally/
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July 9th, 2014 at 7:20:05 PM permalink
That is pretty good
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Today's mail was exciting. I have been part of a class action lawsuit against a previous employer. Basically I was a salaried manager but they made us work more than 60 hours a week and some other things. I never had a problem with it but apparently someone dd because they started this. I jumped on, well because why not. This started in 2007 so it has been going on for over 7 years. I had basically given up on it because I have not heard from any lawyers in well over a year. Well anyways, today in the mail I received a letter saying that they reached a settlement and they need me to complete a w9 and w4.

The letter did not say how much the settlement was for, but Tyson and Dollar General settled for something very similar to this in the last few years and it turned out pretty well for the employees. I am hoping for something close to what Dollar General employees got which was around 15k.

The letter said that it will be finalized in the next several months. My wife says, "So we should have the money in Feb." I ask her why she says February. Her response, "The letter says several, so several would be in February." I give her this puzzled look and ask her how she computes several to mean Feb. Her response, "several=seven, just like twice=two." I then face palm and explain to her that several means more than 2 and less than many. She still doesn't believe me so I pulled up dictionary.com and showed her the definition. Of course I am still wrong but I will let her have this one and go for the next battle. In marriage it is not about the battle, it is about the war or however that saying goes.
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July 12th, 2014 at 9:19:41 AM permalink
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July 12th, 2014 at 1:48:42 PM permalink
My question here doesn't likely warrant a thread of its own, so this thread seems like the best place for it.

Is there anyone here who really understands .ics files, exporting of Google calendars, editing those files, and re-importing them? I have encountered a problem that I don't understand (seems to me like inconsistency at Google), and I could use a little help. If there is someone who knows this stuff, I'll explain my objective & problem; otherwise, I won't bother folks with it.
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July 15th, 2014 at 3:51:12 PM permalink
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My question here doesn't likely warrant a thread of its own, so this thread seems like the best place for it.

Is there anyone here who really understands .ics files, exporting of Google calendars, editing those files, and re-importing them? I have encountered a problem that I don't understand (seems to me like inconsistency at Google), and I could use a little help. If there is someone who knows this stuff, I'll explain my objective & problem; otherwise, I won't bother folks with it.



sorry, can not help with that.

I have a question as well.

Does anyone here watch masterchef? In this show there are "home cooks" that are making these awesome foods. It boggles my mind that everyone always knows how to make everything. Even in the episode that I just watched; the final item to cook was a cake. It amazes me that everyone knows how to make a cake from scratch. I wonder if they get some kind of training off camera or if they are given cook books to study prior to the show with a hint on which items will be used. Does any one here have any idea how these shows work?
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July 15th, 2014 at 3:56:08 PM permalink
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sorry, can not help with that.

I have a question as well.

Does anyone here watch masterchef? In this show there are "home cooks" that are making these awesome foods. It boggles my mind that everyone always knows how to make everything. Even in the episode that I just watched; the final item to cook was a cake. It amazes me that everyone knows how to make a cake from scratch. I wonder if they get some kind of training off camera or if they are given cook books to study prior to the show with a hint on which items will be used. Does any one here have any idea how these shows work?



I have never watched the show but I would suspect that most people who would go on a show like that know how to make very basic things. Baking a cake is very basic.
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July 15th, 2014 at 3:58:03 PM permalink
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While the shooting schedule for MasterChef may not be quite as grueling as the 20-hour days for four weeks straight the Top Chef contestants must endure, they are shooting six days a week for eleven weeks (and yes, Joe Bastianich, Gordon Ramsay, and Graham Elliot stick around that whole time).

Says Josh, “We cook every single day except Sunday. On Sunday we either have free time in the kitchen or in a cooking class.”

Wait, what now? You read correctly: cooking class. We were wondering how two non-bakers with no culinary training made three souffles in 60 minutes. As it turns out, the MasterChef-testants do get a bit of training behind the scenes, and everyone has access to “a full library of pretty much every cookbook in the world” between challenges to study. But no one has any prior knowledge of what the challenges will be, no one gets to consult the library during challenges, and the cooking classes aren’t necessarily specifically tailored to that week’s challenges.

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July 15th, 2014 at 4:02:18 PM permalink
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I have never watched the show but I would suspect that most people who would go on a show like that know how to make very basic things. Baking a cake is very basic.



that was just an example though.

The premise of this show is that people who have zero cooking experience other than cooking for their families enter a house and compete in competitions with the judges being famous chefs. They give them challenges which include baking or cooking delicate foods. They have had souffles on multiple times. I wouldn't think that would be a basic thing that they could make without training. During the challenge the chefs will reveal an item that they have to duplicate. I have been watching it for years and I can not think of a single time where someone didn't have any clue on how to replicate an item.
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July 15th, 2014 at 4:54:53 PM permalink
This is actually one of my favorite "reality" shows as the contestants really seem to want the prize before they want the fame. Is that true? Is that produced into the show? I don't know, but it seems that way. Actually, same with Hell's Kitchen. Yes, they use their fame after the fact, but I think they really want to win for something closer to the right reasons than, say, The Bachelor(-ette).

I think you're mostly right although I might tap the brakes on "other than cooking for their families." My best guess is, you have to have some level of basic skills to get past the initial round(s), at least I haven't seen MasterChef's answer to William Hung.

I cook, nothing like those guys, but once you do it for a while, some things become apparent, even for things you haven't made before. Certain amounts of flour, eggs, rolling, etc. get different pasta consistencies. And, I think the show edits out a lot of their trial efforts. I think they each try a few different approaches and then pick the one that looks the closest.

Souffles are, in the end, just a type of cake, and eggs, flour, oven temps, etc., in different proportions make doughs behave differently. I'm not saying I could do it under pressure like those contestants, but if I had enough time (a couple of weeks, maybe), I could definitely figure it out without formal training. After all, that's how it was first created!
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July 15th, 2014 at 5:05:34 PM permalink
FWIW, I grew up in an ordinary house and never worked in a kitchen. However, I learned from childhood how to make cakes, pies, cookies, and many dishes from scratch. That was the norm in our circles, that you cooked reasonably well, and learned from each other; lots and lots of recipe exchanges, and discussions on how to get the results just right. So it doesn't surprise me at all (and perhaps it should given the huge advances in prepared food in supermarkets since I was a kid) that there are lots of people out there who can walk in and get good results.

Not looking to turn this into a remember-when, but frozen foods when I was young were limited to swanson tv dinners in foil trays (and they were AWFUL), pot pie, and some basic vegetables. Microwaves became available when I was in high school. There was no instant-anything, including oatmeal, pudding, pre-mixed cakes, whatever, except Sanka coffee in little orange packets.

It's possible my generation is the last where nearly everyone learned to cook. But I don't think it died out in one or two generations; lots out there who CAN, and even enjoy it. But it's become really easy now to have incredibly good food pre-made, right along with incredibly bad (but great-tasting) complex food. So I'm sure it's changing still.
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July 15th, 2014 at 5:11:57 PM permalink
Bought a microwave oven in 1979from Sears for $800. Took it back 2 weeks later. Too much trouble heating all different things and trying to get them. All warm at the same time.

In late 1950's working in grocery store. You know those Banquet frozen dinners for 88 cents today in Wal-Mart ? That , a slice of bread.and it was dinner for a working man back then
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July 15th, 2014 at 5:30:01 PM permalink
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This is actually one of my favorite "reality" shows as the contestants really seem to want the prize before they want the fame. Is that true? Is that produced into the show? I don't know, but it seems that way. Actually, same with Hell's Kitchen. Yes, they use their fame after the fact, but I think they really want to win for something closer to the right reasons than, say, The Bachelor(-ette).

I think you're mostly right although I might tap the brakes on "other than cooking for their families." My best guess is, you have to have some level of basic skills to get past the initial round(s), at least I haven't seen MasterChef's answer to William Hung.

I cook, nothing like those guys, but once you do it for a while, some things become apparent, even for things you haven't made before. Certain amounts of flour, eggs, rolling, etc. get different pasta consistencies. And, I think the show edits out a lot of their trial efforts. I think they each try a few different approaches and then pick the one that looks the closest.

Souffles are, in the end, just a type of cake, and eggs, flour, oven temps, etc., in different proportions make doughs behave differently. I'm not saying I could do it under pressure like those contestants, but if I had enough time (a couple of weeks, maybe), I could definitely figure it out without formal training. After all, that's how it was first created!



You are probably right about the trial items. It always seems that they don't but good editing could make it seem that way. I am also probably not putting enough into their screening. Maybe in the early stages they make them cook basic items so that they know they won't look foolish.

I still tend to think that there is more behind the scenes then you get led to believe. Like in Hell's kitchen the contestants seem to be pretty close with Gordons sous chefs that he has on the show (I think they are sous chefs). I would imagine they are giving them a little training. Anyways, with Masterchef I wouldn't be surprised that there is a lot of training off camera. Now with masterchef jr, either those kids are culinary geniuses or they are getting a lot of coaching.
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July 15th, 2014 at 5:59:24 PM permalink
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Good story but harrowing just to read it too [never mind read it]. Ever have nightmares about that time?



Nah. It was fun. I got to gamble and play games every day. Only nightmares I've had were about the person that put me there.



How long were you in?



About 7months.



A really good friend of mine is on probation for 5 years. His PO has now tossed him in jail for 90 days at a time 5 times. Each time he goes in the judge restarts his sentence or gives him a new one. Not sure how they are doing it. He has now been on probation for 6 years and still has 4.6 to go. Although I feel he needs punished for his crime at this point I think it has been rather excessive.



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July 15th, 2014 at 6:35:46 PM permalink
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Good story but harrowing just to read it too [never mind read it]. Ever have nightmares about that time?



Nah. It was fun. I got to gamble and play games every day. Only nightmares I've had were about the person that put me there.



How long were you in?



About 7months.



A really good friend of mine is on probation for 5 years. His PO has now tossed him in jail for 90 days at a time 5 times. Each time he goes in the judge restarts his sentence or gives him a new one. Not sure how they are doing it. He has now been on probation for 6 years and still has 4.6 to go. Although I feel he needs punished for his crime at this point I think it has been rather excessive.



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fwiw, he does have an original crime. Each time that is PO violated was for absolutely nothing. The first time his PO showed up at his house as he was leaving with a duffel bag. He searched him and arrested him because he had his passport on him. His PO said he had a duffel bag and passport so he must have been skipping the country. Ever since then he tosses him in jail for every little thing he can possibly do. Not once since his original crime has he actually committed another one.
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July 15th, 2014 at 8:50:48 PM permalink
Passports are required for id sometimes... possession of a passport and a duffel bag is not enough for an attempt to flee the jurisdiction of the court. People carry their laundry in a duffle bag, big deal.
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July 16th, 2014 at 3:28:22 AM permalink
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Passports are required for id sometimes... possession of a passport and a duffel bag is not enough for an attempt to flee the jurisdiction of the court. People carry their laundry in a duffle bag, big deal.



He was actually on his way to a laundromat and he has a passport card, not a normal passport so it was just in his wallet. That is what happens when you give someone to much power.

I guess I shouldn't leave out that my buddy is a prick. He is not a confrontational prick but one that will make snide comments and not answer a question directly. I would guess at some point he annoyed the PO so he was just getting back at him.
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